[ledzeppelin]

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[zizban]

I was watching it thinking as how far he's fallen. Anyone else catch the spit swapping he and his wife did in TV. EWWWWWWWWWW.

[Maflynn]

Sad indeed, it felt like they just trotted him out for ratings. The man could hardly speak and yes him mugging it with his wife was ewwwww.

[Cadaver]

It was a little sad to see how ABC brought him out at this time to "unveil" the new Dick Clark. It would have been far less shocking and distracting if we had seen him (and his condition) well before this show and had a chance to come to accept it. All I could think about was how sad his current condition is, and how this shouldn't have been his 'coming out' party. I think perhaps he should have done some interviews, even Oprah say, a few weeks or months ago.

[Cody Dawg]

Does anyone have any pictures or know where to get them?

I missed it.

Poor Dick.

But, no one lives forever, folks. None of us gets out of this gig alive.

[funkboy]

I'm sorry to hear about what sounds like a rough-looking Mr. Clark.

Unfortunately, this man is not a saint. He was involved in the radio Payola scandal of the late 1950s (Payola has never really gone away, too - note the current lawsuits and settlements from the major record labels). Alan Freed, another DJ of the time, essentially lost his entire life and died a broken man from the scandal. Clark was never convicted of wrongdoing, but the evidence showed Clark did not have clean hands, either.

I guess overall, I think Payola should be eliminated, but the idea that record companies will never bribe radio stations to play their music is very difficult to imagine.

[stevesnj]

I think ABC made a terrible decision to have him on the air. I only understood a few things he was saying. I understand loyalty to him and I am sad he is that condition but I want to enjoy the ball drop not be worried about the hosts medical issues.

[Oneota]

Wait...huh? What happened? I didn't see any of the New Year's special. What'd they do?

[euchomai]

I disagree with most of the posts in this thread. I think he did a wonderful job for the condition he is in. I think that only showing people in their prime and in perfect condition, reinforces the feeling that if you aren't like that something is wrong with you.

I'm okay with regular people and also people going through difficulty in their lives, showing that they can still do the job that they love.

He loves doing this and ABC helped him possibly one last time.

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by funkboy

I'm sorry to hear about what sounds like a rough-looking Mr. Clark.

Unfortunately, this man is not a saint. He was involved in the radio Payola scandal of the late 1950s (Payola has never really gone away, too - note the current lawsuits and settlements from the major record labels). Alan Freed, another DJ of the time, essentially lost his entire life and died a broken man from the scandal. Clark was never convicted of wrongdoing, but the evidence showed Clark did not have clean hands, either.

I guess overall, I think Payola should be eliminated, but the idea that record companies will never bribe radio stations to play their music is very difficult to imagine.

I believe that's the one smudge on Dick's otherwise sterling record-and he was really only peripherally involved at that.

Payola corrupts the entire industry, from the DJs and programmers that change what's played in exchange for money to the fans who think the extra play is because of fan support to the artists who get don't boosted when their undeserving competitors do.

Fortunately the whole business is different today; it's harder to get away with even trying to set up an extra airtime for cash/drugs/etc., and there are so many different venues for music distribution that it would be very hard to be very effective at influencing much of a market. It sure ain't perfect, but it really is better.

[wdlove]

For so many years he has been very energetic. Never showed his age. Now sadly after the stroke he shows his age.

[Cadaver]

Originally Posted by euchomai

I disagree with most of the posts in this thread. I think he did a wonderful job for the condition he is in. I think that only showing people in their prime and in perfect condition, reinforces the feeling that if you aren't like that something is wrong with you.

I'm okay with regular people and also people going through difficulty in their lives, showing that they can still do the job that they love.

He loves doing this and ABC helped him possibly one last time.

I don't think it was wrong to have him on the air. I'm simply suggesting that Mr. Clark should have come out in public before hand. All I could do is stare at his facial droop and the fact he wasn't moving his right arm (or standing for that matter). If I'd seen him before that broadcast, I would have been less distracted (for lack of a better word).

[Cadaver]

Originally Posted by ghporter

Fortunately the whole business is different today; it's harder to get away with even trying to set up an extra airtime for cash/drugs/etc., and there are so many different venues for music distribution that it would be very hard to be very effective at influencing much of a market. It sure ain't perfect, but it really is better.

Not really. Sony just recently got busted for a payola-type scheme.

[Ratm]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Does anyone have any pictures or know where to get them?

I missed it.

second the motion.

[{PHOTON}Mazz1020]

Yea i third the motion, because i took a nap at around 7:00pm and woke up at 12:10 and realized that i had missed the ball drop. That was the first drop ive ever missed in my whole life and pictures would be great

[euchomai]

Originally Posted by Cadaver

I don't think it was wrong to have him on the air. I'm simply suggesting that Mr. Clark should have come out in public before hand. All I could do is stare at his facial droop and the fact he wasn't moving his right arm (or standing for that matter). If I'd seen him before that broadcast, I would have been less distracted (for lack of a better word).

I can agree with that. No problem there, it would have been good for him to make the talk show circuit.

[Ratm]

Originally Posted by {PHOTON}Mazz1020

Yea i third the motion, because i took a nap at around 7:00pm and woke up at 12:10 and realized that i had missed the ball drop. That was the first drop ive ever missed in my whole life and pictures would be great

that sucks. And video if anyone has it.

[ironknee]

was it me? but when the new year happened, abc flashed to 2 anchors and they were soul kissing...

[funkboy]

Originally Posted by ghporter

Payola corrupts the entire industry, from the DJs and programmers that change what's played in exchange for money to the fans who think the extra play is because of fan support to the artists who get don't boosted when their undeserving competitors do.

I agree it hurts everyone. It's an awful practice that is not only giving coverage to artists who would not have otherwise received it, but it is pushing awful music into the mainstream. Music that would not otherwise be played - certainly not as much - without these incentives. We really need independent radio to play music... but I also don't want independent radio to only play "indie' stuff, because maybe that's not the best music out there, either. If the new, I don't know, Ludacris song really *is* making an amazing artistic statement on a topic (or even just has incredibly well done musicianship...?), don't be afraid to play it, indie stations. I am a DJ for an indie station and I give coverage to what I think should be given coverage to - what really is the best music out there, regardless of label or popularity.

Fortunately the whole business is different today; it's harder to get away with even trying to set up an extra airtime for cash/drugs/etc., and there are so many different venues for music distribution that it would be very hard to be very effective at influencing much of a market. It sure ain't perfect, but it really is better.

No, it is not.

The Big Four also were implicated in earlier cases. Warner Music agreed to pay $5 million to settle a New York state "pay-for-play" probe into how the music industry steers radio exposure for its artists. Sony paid $10 million in the same case and agreed to stop the payola. Universal and EMI have not settled.
Source: E-Commerce Times

And I hate to be so negative, but the $5 million to the state seems almost like *another* piece of payola. If the companies just have to pay money to the government to suffer for their paying money to DJs... what's so bad about that for the companies? They have $5 million to give, why not. What they should do is either ban them for radio airplay for weeks/months or halt their entire advertising campaigns... make the punishment fit the crime.

Here's another news story that mentions, at the bottom, about the payola settlements: http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/4821.html

Now I wonder how Apple fits into all of this... but that's for another thread probably.

[kcmac]

I didn't even know until last night that Dick Clark had a health problem. It was at first shocking to listen to him. I was however glad to see him on TV no matter what his condition.

I could have done without Hillary Duff however.

[demograph68]

I was too busy throwing up to notice.

[3andahalfeyed]

I managed to see the ball drop but nothing else.
Yeah, poor Dick. He sure did slur his speech. But it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.

Now if he didn't have the stroke, how many of you would still want him to step down? Because I wouldn't. Even for a man his age, Dick Clark still keeps up with the times. Maybe not as much as in the past but can keep up better than most people half his age, or even young adults, like me. I'm in my mid-20s and don't know who many of these artists are. And I probably don't care either.

Compared to Regis Philbin (who pretty much is a one-name basis), since he and Dick are both in their 70's. I tend to think of DC as one who would hang with the kids. Even during their primes in the 50s and 60s, I see Dick as someone who mingled with the popular artists, in Rock and Roll, Motown, Doo-wop and R&B.
Regis on the other hand I see catering more to the older crowd, in terms of crooners, lounge singers, the Rat Pack and Las Vegas acts during that era.

Elvis had attempts at performing in Vegas as a youth in the 50s but the typical audience was too old for his likings. But as he and his fans got older during the '70s, then yeah, Vegas worked for him.
Counterwise, seeing the Rat Pack on American Bandstand would've been incompatible with the program's target demographics and specific music genres.

I don't think Regis should've done the countdown on the Fox Network. He doesn't seem to fit in which is IMHO, like the way DC would probably fit in.

[jesusbristow]

You know what's lamer than Dick Clark with a stroke? Tuning in for the billionth time in my life to watch a dumbass ball fall in a city where I ain't. But wait-- it gets better: I'm in Los Angeles, where we watched a replay of it at midnight. Dick Cheney stripping would be less lame...

[3andahalfeyed]

Interesting someone mentioned the fact that West Coasters have to countdown to 3 hours ago. Or central time zoners counting down to something that won't hit them for another hour. At least the Central Time zoners see the network countdowns live and then watch their local countdowns an hour later - if they have them. Don't know about the Mountain zones, Alaska, and Hawaii. But here on the Pacific Coast we don't broadcast many LIVE events.

I remember in the 90s where several west coast markets from Seattle to Las Vegas did a New Years Eve West Coast Edition. The program featured coverage from the Space Needle, Disneyland, Playboy Mansion, The Mirage Casino, San Francisco, etc. I think watching the Space Needle's disc reach the top, the TransAmerica Pyramid spectacular, and some fountain extravaganza at the Mirage in Vegas can offer more diverse action than just seeing a crystal ball drop in frigid Times Square. Unfortunately many West Coast viewers would count down to the past instead of the present. Just the fact that we see people ringing in the New Year LIVE (or 3 seconds ago) is more appealing, that's all.

What about the other time zones? What do they feature?

[3andahalfeyed]

Interesting someone mentioned the fact that West Coasters have to countdown to 3 hours ago. Or central time zoners counting down to something that won't hit them for another hour. At least the Central Time zoners see the network countdowns live and then watch their local countdowns an hour later - if they have them. Don't know about the Mountain zones, Alaska, and Hawaii. But here on the Pacific Coast we don't broadcast many LIVE events.

I remember in the 90s where several west coast markets from Seattle to Las Vegas did a New Years Eve West Coast Edition. The program featured coverage from the Space Needle, Disneyland, Playboy Mansion, The Mirage Casino, San Francisco, etc. I think watching the Space Needle's disc reach the top, the TransAmerica Pyramid spectacular, and some fountain extravaganza at the Mirage in Vegas can offer more diverse action than just seeing a crystal ball drop in frigid Times Square. Unfortunately many West Coast viewers would count down to the past instead of the present. Just the fact that we see people ringing in the New Year LIVE (or 3 seconds ago) is more appealing, that's all.

What about the other time zones? What do they feature?

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by funkboy

No, it is not.

The Big Four also were implicated in earlier cases. Warner Music agreed to pay $5 million to settle a New York state "pay-for-play" probe into how the music industry steers radio exposure for its artists. Sony paid $10 million in the same case and agreed to stop the payola. Universal and EMI have not settled.
Source: E-Commerce Times

Wasn't that a "radio station owner" issue, as in the payola went to an exec at the company that owned a dozen or more radio stations in NY? The point is that it's not at the station or even market level. I should have emphasized that the more local level was what I was talking about being harder to influence. That was the "classic" payola tactic; hit a number of DJs or stations in one market to change the play numbers there. This NY thing seems more like executive corruption-like Enron but about songs not oil. It's still a problem, but a different problem. I wasn't disagreeing with you, just (badly I guess) pointing out that the problem had changed.

[alphasubzero949]

Originally Posted by jesusbristow

You know what's lamer than Dick Clark with a stroke? Tuning in for the billionth time in my life to watch a dumbass ball fall in a city where I ain't. But wait-- it gets better: I'm in Los Angeles, where we watched a replay of it at midnight. Dick Cheney stripping would be less lame...

Agreed.

[Ratm]

Here's a small vid of Dick. Sad really.
http://www.youtube.com/w/Mariah-New-...h=Dick%20Clark

edit: I meant Dick Clark!