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Adramelech · Nov 29, 2004, 09:43 AM

100% useless, but neat nonetheless: http://www.mekentosj.com/disctop/

Fusion · Nov 29, 2004, 10:06 AM

Its a nice idea exccept the company completley ripped off Doug Bowman's Website.

MacDog · Nov 29, 2004, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by Fusion:
Its a nice idea exccept the company completley ripped off Doug Bowman's Website.

Um, has it occurred to you that they are both using MovableType, and that they are both using a template that's most likely available to everyone who uses MovableType Blog system? They both use custom mastheads, but they are probably based on the original template.

CreepingDeth · Nov 29, 2004, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by MacDog:
Um, has it occurred to you that they are both using MovableType, and that they are both using a template that's most likely available to everyone who uses MovableType Blog system? They both use custom mastheads, but they are probably based on the original template.

Correct.

mekentosj · Nov 29, 2004, 11:14 AM

Just to inform you of our opinion:

Josh,

As stated on our website's homepage since day one we released the new version, our design is indeed heavily inspired by Douglas Bowman's StopDesign website, which is in our opinion is one of the nicest websites on the internet (hence the inspiration). Although, I readily admit we used Doug's site to learn how one accomplishes certain features on a HTML page, and correctly program CSS based websites (these people belong to the small group who are guiding the CSS revolution going on at the moment on the internet) , I would like to stress we started our website completely from scratch and have generated all images ourselves. You will hopefully acknowledge that many design items on our site are unique to mekentosj.com. Also notice that we don't use Movable type, nor any other blog engine to generate or site. We hope that after reading this, you don't consider our site a simple, 5 minute, rip-off. We don't deny it shows resemblance, in contrast we took leads from Douglas Bowman's website because we think it's one of the best website designs out there (even though many blogs site have a very similar layout nowadays).

Finally we would like to refer to the following article on sitepoint. Our philosophy while designing our website, is nicely sumarized in the last part of the article: "copy the inspiration, not the outcome". We realize that this will in the end come down to personal opinions.

http://www.sitepoint.com/article/cop...esigners-steal

Perhaps we can continue our discussion afterwards...

Best wishes,
Alex & Tom
Mek & Tosj

u2zoo · Nov 29, 2004, 11:23 AM

Ehh, MT doesn't come with that template. As it is Doug Bowman designed Wired Magazine's web site (among a few other famous ones), I doubt he needs to use a canned template.

Actually, he designed several of the canned Blogger templates.

That said, the design would seem to be inspired by Bowman's site but it is not a entire ripoff. The DIV names aren't the same.. the CSS is slighty different.

[edit] and as I was typing that the designers responded...

spishack · Nov 29, 2004, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by CreepingDeth:
Correct.

It's pretty asinine to respond to something ridiculous when you have no clue what you're talking about. This is not correct.

Also:

Originally posted by mekentosj:
Finally we would like to refer to the following article on sitepoint. Our philosophy while designing our website, is nicely sumarized in the last part of the article: "copy the inspiration, not the outcome". We realize that this will in the end come down to personal opinions.

You didn't copy the inspiration--you DID copy the outcome. Your site is not inspired by Stopdesign, it is a rip of it. There is no excuse for this.

You may have created images on your own or changed the CSS or whatever, but it doesn't change the fact that your site is a copy of another's, and a bad one at that.

CreepingDeth · Nov 29, 2004, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by spishack:
It's pretty asinine to respond to something ridiculous when you have no clue what you're talking about. This is not correct.

Also:

You didn't copy the inspiration--you DID copy the outcome. Your site is not inspired by Stopdesign, it is a rip of it. There is no excuse for this.

You may have created images on your own or changed the CSS or whatever, but it doesn't change the fact that your site is a copy of another's, and a bad one at that.

Welcome to digital arts. Face the obvious fact: 50% of everything you make is either based on, inspired by, ripped off, salvaged, hacked, etc.

Fusion · Nov 29, 2004, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by spishack:
It's pretty asinine to respond to something ridiculous when you have no clue what you're talking about. This is not correct.

Also:

You didn't copy the inspiration--you DID copy the outcome. Your site is not inspired by Stopdesign, it is a rip of it. There is no excuse for this.

You may have created images on your own or changed the CSS or whatever, but it doesn't change the fact that your site is a copy of another's, and a bad one at that.

Thank you.

Fonzie · Nov 29, 2004, 12:44 PM

Too many have been on gfxoasis lately. I see no rip-off on the site mentioned. I see that someone got inspired.

Simon X · Nov 29, 2004, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by spishack:
You didn't copy the inspiration--you DID copy the outcome. Your site is not inspired by Stopdesign, it is a rip of it. There is no excuse for this.

You may have created images on your own or changed the CSS or whatever, but it doesn't change the fact that your site is a copy of another's, and a bad one at that.

Oh get off your high horse.

In fact it so bad a copy of the site that I wouldn't have noticed if it hadn't been mentioned. So bad that it looks far more an inspiration than a copy. But as a site that's been inspired I say it's really quite nice.

fireside · Nov 29, 2004, 04:40 PM

ohnos, the first site has a logo-header thing and a horizontal navigation bar! it has two columns in it! its a complete rip off of 37% of all blogs!

olorin15 · Nov 29, 2004, 04:59 PM

Yeah, and the OS X login panel reminds me so much of the Google site - it's got that text field, some buttons underneath, logo on top, it's centered, white background - it must be a rip off!!! Damn you Apple!

CreepingDeth · Nov 29, 2004, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Simon X:
Oh get off your high horse.

In fact it so bad a copy of the site that I wouldn't have noticed if it hadn't been mentioned. So bad that it looks far more an inspiration than a copy. But as a site that's been inspired I say it's really quite nice.

bluevertical · Nov 29, 2004, 05:21 PM

i've definitely seen worse copies on the internet as far as the overall likeness. of course the original is quite a bit more successful as they usually are also...

with that said, saying "copy the inspiration, not the outcome" is quite telling. if you think copying anything is right than i think that tells the entire story...

but this is simply a part of digital media and this debate will go on and on... it is a part of all digital media debates biet music, design, porn whatever...

keeps things interesting... thats for sure.

my 2 cents... get inspired, learn from others... then do your own design, music, or whatever... simple and very effective.

peace.
bv.

fireside · Nov 29, 2004, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by CreepingDeth:
http://homepage.mac.com/creepingdeth/.Pictures/Insult/PWND.jpg

could you possible act more immature? i don't even think its possible. what next, you going to tell us your IQ? oh wait, you already did that.

bluevertical · Nov 29, 2004, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
could you possible act more immature? i don't even think its possible. what next, you going to tell us your IQ? oh wait, you already did that.

lol

CreepingDeth · Nov 29, 2004, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by bluevertical:
lol

Tee hee hee fireside.

I agree that the side does remind me of stopdesign, it is not a rip off, since almost everyone who designs something takes a piece of another design and uses it. Example: you made a sig out of a Lanham picture. I made mine out of some art from Leo Hao. We rarely make stuff that is totally, 100% original, not inspired by another piece of art. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who has.
Don't preach to me.

Simon X · Nov 29, 2004, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by CreepingDeth:
http://homepage.mac.com/creepingdeth/.Pictures/Insult/PWND.jpg

I haven't the faintest idea what you mean by that infantile looking image. They say a picture says a thousand words but from you I guess they are the words of an imbecile and of therefore no importance.

fireside · Nov 29, 2004, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by CreepingDeth:
Tee hee hee fireside.

I agree that the side does remind me of stopdesign, it is not a rip off, since almost everyone who designs something takes a piece of another design and uses it. Example: you made a sig out of a Lanham picture. I made mine out of some art from Leo Hao. We rarely make stuff that is totally, 100% original, not inspired by another piece of art. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who has.
Don't preach to me.

i made fun of you for posting a dumb image and telling everyone your IQ, i don't care about whatever else you posted. don't preach 2 me.

CreepingDeth · Nov 29, 2004, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by Simon X:
I haven't the faintest idea what you mean by that infantile looking image. They say a picture says a thousand words but from you I guess they are the words of an imbecile and of therefore no importance.

It means "I agree."

It's stupid, but whatever.

[This is why the GUI forum sucks. People can't take a joke, evidently.]

esXXI · Nov 29, 2004, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
could you possible act more immature? i don't even think its possible. what next, you going to tell us your IQ? oh wait, you already did that.

Nice zing. *Tips hat*

olorin15 · Nov 29, 2004, 07:09 PM

Finally there's a teenager in the forums who makes fireside look like a sensible grownup

MacMan4000 · Nov 29, 2004, 07:18 PM

Back on topic: Cool app, but I don't have an iMac G5

Back off topic: let keep the angry venting to PMs mmmkay? Just for the record, I think its "inspired by", not "ripped from" whoever the hell your talking about.

fireside · Nov 29, 2004, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by olorin15:
Finally there's a teenager in the forums who makes fireside look like a sensible grownup

i guess we'll need to dispose of this teenager then...

bluevertical · Nov 29, 2004, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by olorin15:
Finally there's a teenager in the forums who makes fireside look like a sensible grownup

lol... again....

bentoon · Nov 29, 2004, 09:17 PM

I enjoy the Disctop thing as a design idea,

Caesar2099 · Nov 30, 2004, 12:07 PM

What are ya'll yellin' at each other fer? It's bill clinton eating a squirrel's nuts! Whats not to love about it. I think the Macnn forums in general are filled with puss-E's who just love to argue and can't take a joke even if it was on the back end of the goat they were about to rape.

Adramelech · Nov 30, 2004, 12:16 PM

whoa, I didn't expect this, when I started this thread.

kwyjiboy · Nov 30, 2004, 01:00 PM

This is exactly what I wanted! Whee! To the author: thanks!

bluevertical · Nov 30, 2004, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Caesar2099:
What are ya'll yellin' at each other fer? It's bill clinton eating a squirrel's nuts! Whats not to love about it. I think the Macnn forums in general are filled with puss-E's who just love to argue and can't take a joke even if it was on the back end of the goat they were about to rape.

here here!!

CreepingDeth · Nov 30, 2004, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by Caesar2099:
What are ya'll yellin' at each other fer? It's bill clinton eating a squirrel's nuts! Whats not to love about it? I think the Macnn forums in general are filled with puss-E's who just love to argue and can't take a joke even if it was on the back end of the goat they were about to rape.

This is why the GUI forums are boring. To many people who are up-tight. I had something that said "I agree, and you made your point well" and I'm pushed into a name-calling match.

Haven't you guys ever been on a thread in the lounge?

Anyway, the actual app is kinda fun. It serves absolutely no purpose. None. Zilch. But I guess it's a piece of eye candy. Another app to customize.

Adramelech · Nov 30, 2004, 05:25 PM

exactly

fireside · Nov 30, 2004, 08:14 PM

its not that we can't take a joke CreepingDeth, its just that that one wasn't funny.

CreepingDeth · Nov 30, 2004, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
its not that we can't take a joke CreepingDeth, its just that that one wasn't funny.

Except it wasn't really a joke. It was basically saying that his post was a smackdown, conversation ender, etc.

You guys take every opportunity to take the high horse and use a thesaurus to insult me.

fireside · Nov 30, 2004, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by CreepingDeth:
Except it wasn't really a joke. It was basically saying that his post was a smackdown, conversation ender, etc.

you said it yourself that we can't take a joke in response to our response of your clinton picture.

You guys take every opportunity to take the high horse and use a thesaurus to insult me.

i'm sorry, but we don't need a thesaurus to insult you.

CreepingDeth · Nov 30, 2004, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
you said it yourself that we can't take a joke in response to our response of your clinton picture.

i'm sorry, but we don't need a thesaurus to insult you.

I was saying you guys are uptight.

Oh yeah, that comment was real mature of you fireside.

Caesar2099 · Dec 1, 2004, 11:24 AM

(I should probably stay out of this but I just love a good arguement)

First: Fireside, you are a douche.

Second: Clinton eating a squirrells nuts is not meant to be smart or witty. The creator of it wasn't thinking "this is quite possibly the genius-est thing any one has ever said in the history of the world!" You clearly don't understand things can be so stupid they're funny. And you're probably a manuplative control freak who must always be the smartest person in a conversation considering what a douche you are.

Third: You clean out vaginas. That's your purpose. Stick to it. Or rather you make vaginas less sticky, you big f*cking douche.

CreepingDeth · Dec 1, 2004, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by Caesar2099:
(I should probably stay out of this but I just love a good arguement)

First: Fireside, you are a douche.

Second: Clinton eating a squirrells nuts is not meant to be smart or witty. The creator of it wasn't thinking "this is quite possibly the genius-est thing any one has ever said in the history of the world!" You clearly don't understand things can be so stupid they're funny. And you're probably a manuplative control freak who must always be the smartest person in a conversation considering what a douche you are.

Third: You clean out vaginas. That's your purpose. Stick to it. Or rather you make vaginas less sticky, you big f*cking douche.

I agree with everything on point 2 with the exception of the last two sentences.
A little harsh. But then again I'm a "imbescile" (say it with the ile part sounding like "eye-el", not "el." That nakes you sound smarter.)

Komisar · Dec 1, 2004, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by Caesar2099:
(I should probably stay out of this but I just love a good arguement)

First: Fireside, you are a douche.

Second: Clinton eating a squirrells nuts is not meant to be smart or witty. The creator of it wasn't thinking "this is quite possibly the genius-est thing any one has ever said in the history of the world!" You clearly don't understand things can be so stupid they're funny. And you're probably a manuplative control freak who must always be the smartest person in a conversation considering what a douche you are.

Third: You clean out vaginas. That's your purpose. Stick to it. Or rather you make vaginas less sticky, you big f*cking douche.

w0000t! Don't flame the fire your just going to get burned!

fireside · Dec 1, 2004, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Caesar2099:
(I should probably stay out of this but I just love a good arguement)

First: Fireside, you are a douche.

Second: Clinton eating a squirrells nuts is not meant to be smart or witty. The creator of it wasn't thinking "this is quite possibly the genius-est thing any one has ever said in the history of the world!" You clearly don't understand things can be so stupid they're funny. And you're probably a manuplative control freak who must always be the smartest person in a conversation considering what a douche you are.

Third: You clean out vaginas. That's your purpose. Stick to it. Or rather you make vaginas less sticky, you big f*cking douche.

yes, what a great argument you pull. first calling me a douche. then calling me a control freak douche. then calling me another douche. great argument. in fact, it is so great, i don't even know how to argue back. wow, great job, i am at a loss of words. seriously.

CreepingDeth · 08:32 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
yes, what a great argument you pull. first calling me a douche. then calling me a control freak douche. then calling me another douche. great argument. in fact, it is so great, i don't even know how to argue back. wow, great job, i am at a loss of words. seriously.

?

=

Originally posted by fireside:
could you possible act more immature? i don't even think its possible. what next, you going to tell us your IQ? oh wait, you already did that.

Originally posted by Simon X:
I haven't the faintest idea what you mean by that infantile looking image. They say a picture says a thousand words but from you I guess they are the words of an imbecile and of therefore no importance.

Originally posted by esXXI:
Nice zing. *Tips hat*

Originally posted by olorin15:
Finally there's a teenager in the forums who makes fireside look like a sensible grownup

Originally posted by fireside:
i guess we'll need to dispose of this teenager then...

Originally posted by fireside:
you said it yourself that we can't take a joke in response to our response of your clinton picture.

i'm sorry, but we don't need a thesaurus to insult you.

As Clinton would say, "I feel your pain!"

Komisar · Dec 1, 2004, 08:52 PM

WTF? sorry i don't speak mongolian... Your post makes no sense creepdeath

fireside · Dec 1, 2004, 08:54 PM

what the hell are you talking about CreepingDeth? maybe one day you'll be able to insult people without having to explain it.

CreepingDeth · Dec 1, 2004, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Komisar:
WTF? sorry i don't speak mongolian... Your post makes no sense creepdeath

Hey, he and his buddies insult me and he's the innocent one all the sudden.

[BTW that wasn't an insult]

siMac · Dec 1, 2004, 09:18 PM

If you kids don't stop arguing then I'll turn this car around and there'll be no DisneyLand for anybody!

Chill...

CreepingDeth · 09:54 PM

Originally posted by siMac:
If you kids don't stop arguing then I'll turn this car around and there'll be no DisneyLand for anybody!

Chill...

Disneyland?! You don't go to disney land!

Frink: You've got to listen to me. Elementary chaos theory tells us that all robots will eventually turn against their masters and run amok, in an orgy of blood and the kicking and the biting with the metal teeth and the hurting and shoving.
Scientist: How much time do we have professor?
Frink: Well, according to my calculations, the robots won't go berserk for at least 24 hours
(all robots turn against the humans)
Frink: Oh. I forgot to carry the one.

fireside · Dec 1, 2004, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by CreepingDeth:
Hey, he and his buddies insult me and he's the innocent one all the sudden.

[BTW that wasn't an insult]

so posting a snide comment about someone insulting me makes me innocent?

CreepingDeth · Dec 1, 2004, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
so posting a snide comment about someone insulting me makes me innocent?

Stop yer complaining. You're the one who started this whole yellathon in an attempt to be witty.