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Dec 25, 2016, 10:54 AM
 
I hope all of you are happy, enjoying family, gifts, etc., blah, blah, blah.

But for real, have a good one.
     
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And I wish a happy, festive, preferably injury and arrest-free Christmas/Hanukkah/whatever to all!

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Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!
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And of course it just wouldn't be Christmas unless I had some household drama. This year the dishwasher quit working. Crap! I get to hand wash a buttload of dishes, since I hosted Christmas dinner this year. Seeing Breaking Bad re-runs isn't helping as I Cosplay as Walter White and it get's me into that late 3rd season mid 5th season mindset.
     
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a belated Merry Christmas!!
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
And of course it just wouldn't be Christmas unless I had some household drama. This year the dishwasher quit working. Crap! I get to hand wash a buttload of dishes, since I hosted Christmas dinner this year. Seeing Breaking Bad re-runs isn't helping as I Cosplay as Walter White and it get's me into that late 3rd season mid 5th season mindset.
so, the obvious question - how many people did you wack this holiday season?
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Just a few barrels worth.
     
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Originally Posted by osiris View Post
a belated Merry Christmas!!
Christmas is, you know, 12 days long. It end on Jan 6th with Epiphany
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
And of course it just wouldn't be Christmas unless I had some household drama. This year the dishwasher quit working. Crap! I get to hand wash a buttload of dishes, since I hosted Christmas dinner this year. Seeing Breaking Bad re-runs isn't helping as I Cosplay as Walter White and it get's me into that late 3rd season mid 5th season mindset.
Hah! I found out today my 2005 Colorado needs $1200 of brake work done. Rear drums need rebuilding, so I'm told.
     
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Christmas is, you know, 12 days long. It end on Jan 6th with Epiphany
yes indeed it does, but I had forgotten
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Christmas is, you know, 12 days long. It end on Jan 6th with Epiphany
I used to do the "twelve days of subego's future ex", but I had it end on Christmas.

I wish I had known this was the canon. That would have been less stressful, helped with post-Christmas loss of momentum, and been cheaper as I picked over the remains.

Leaping lords are a steal on the 26th.
     
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Gifts? My daughter gave me a tea mug that she made, painted, and glazed herself, by far my favorite gift.
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Hah! I found out today my 2005 Colorado needs $1200 of brake work done. Rear drums need rebuilding, so I'm told.
Drums are $66 each, shoes are $30, hardware kit is $16. Shouldn't be more than $250 in parts and a couple hours of tinkering. Drums are a pain in the ass but not impossible.
     
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Hah! I found out today my 2005 Colorado needs $1200 of brake work done. Rear drums need rebuilding, so I'm told.
How have you enjoyed that Colorado?

I'm going to drive my Accord until it dies, but I'd like to replace it with either a Ridgeline (newer, smaller version), 4-door Tacoma, or Colorado. I'm averse to American cars, but I love the look of Chevy's trucks.
     
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Originally Posted by Jawbone54 View Post
Ridgeline (newer, smaller version),
The new Ridgeline is 3 inches longer, an inch wider, and the same height as the old model. It's about 300 lbs lighter and has a towing capacity that's 1500lbs less than the old one.
     
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
The new Ridgeline is 3 inches longer, an inch wider, and the same height as the old model. It's about 300 lbs lighter and has a towing capacity that's 1500lbs less than the old one.
The heck? This...



...is bigger than this?



Must be the less-bulbous design.

You know cars better than anyone else I'm connected to. Do you have a favorite mid-size truck recommendation?
     
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Used Toyota Tacoma, or used Nissan Frontier, if you're pinching those pennies. (My wife knows more about trucks than Laminar, or me, FTM.)
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Originally Posted by Jawbone54 View Post
The heck? This...



...is bigger than this?



Must be the less-bulbous design.

You know cars better than anyone else I'm connected to. Do you have a favorite mid-size truck recommendation?
They redesigned the joint where the bed mates to the cabin for extra strength. For unibody truck/car things, that's where most of the stress lies and most of the twisting wants to occur. That's why the Subaru Baja, Chevy Avalanche, and Ridgeline all looked the same in that area.

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Used Toyota Tacoma, or used Nissan Frontier, if you're pinching those pennies. (My wife knows more about trucks than Laminar, or me, FTM.)
That's a terrible recommendation for Jawbone. The Ridgeline is basically a car that happens to have a truck bed. The Tacoma/Frontier are body-on-frame trucks that drive and feel like tractors. Yes, they are great if you need to do truck things like towing 7000lbs or drive up steep muddy hills in 4x4 low to check on livestock. But those capabilities come at a price, and that's NVH, cramped interiors, and bad MPG. The AWD Ridgeline with its standard 280hp V6 matches a sluggish 159hp 4 cylinder Tacoma's combined mileage and the Ridgeline beats it on the highway by 2mpg (not to mention it would beat it down every onramp and in every passing lane, too). The V6 Tacoma is even worse.

Real world results from Fuelly show Tacomas sitting in the 17-18mpg range, while the 2017 Ridgeline is at a solid 20.6 right now.

But for a DD that needs to occasionally run to Home Depot, carry some mulch, or move a couch? Ridgeline all the way. Front wheel drive, preferably - since you don't need to go up any steep hills in the snow, AWD is extra weight, drag, and decreased mpgs.
     
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
That's a terrible recommendation for Jawbone. The Ridgeline is basically a car that happens to have a truck bed. The Tacoma/Frontier are body-on-frame trucks that drive and feel like tractors. Yes, they are great if you need to do truck things like towing 7000lbs or drive up steep muddy hills in 4x4 low to check on livestock. But those capabilities come at a price, and that's NVH, cramped interiors, and bad MPG. The AWD Ridgeline with its standard 280hp V6 matches a sluggish 159hp 4 cylinder Tacoma's combined mileage and the Ridgeline beats it on the highway by 2mpg (not to mention it would beat it down every onramp and in every passing lane, too). The V6 Tacoma is even worse.
Speaking my language...

Go on...

But for a DD that needs to occasionally run to Home Depot, carry some mulch, or move a couch? Ridgeline all the way. Front wheel drive, preferably - since you don't need to go up any steep hills in the snow, AWD is extra weight, drag, and decreased mpgs.
It's actually terrifying how spot-on that was.
     
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We recently purchased a 2007 Honda Pilot as our "bigger than an outback but cheaper than a tribecca" compromise. Consumer Reports liked it, it has AWD, 8 seats (for small people) and cargo room. Drives a little trucky, but not too bad.
     
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FWIW, my current daily driver is an Accord and the next vehicle will likely be a Ridgeline. I drove one on a little camping trip back in August and it was fantastic. It's definitely not going to be your biggest bang for the buck but as Lam noted, it really is a fantastic "urban truck" for people who want to do outdoorsy truck things but don't need true body-on-frame advantages like heavy payloads and big towing capabilities. (FWIW on Lam's steep muddy hill scenario, other than ground clearance I'm not sure I'd bet against the torque vectoring of Honda's SH-AWD system in the Ridgeline.). I do a lot of work around the house and like to carry the odd sheet of drywall or plywood and make regular trail runs with the mountain bike - but it's nice enough that it doesn't feel or drive like a real truck.

The bed trunk storage is fantastic, the dual tailgate is such a great idea for bed access, and the interior is really nice with comfortable seats and lots of storage options (and CarPlay!). And the bed sound system was pretty great, haha......I'm not certain how much I'd actually use it where I live, but for tailgating it would be the shit.
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
That's a terrible recommendation for Jawbone. The Ridgeline is basically a car that happens to have a truck bed.
So he wants a mediocre car with a truck bed as a fashion statement? Gotcha. Too bad we don't sell utes in the USA. Sounds like the nubs who buy an X5 just on the off chance they may get caught out in the snow one day.

Jawbone, if you want a real mid-size truck, get a Tacoma (down the road you'll love the resale value, too). If you don't really need a truck, buy a nice hatchback or wagon. I have a CTS-V wagon and it's truly a fantastic car, and it'll haul an amazing amount of stuff (and ass, doing 0-60 in ~4s).
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
So he wants a mediocre car with a truck bed as a fashion statement?
Yes, as do most Americans that own trucks. Props to Jawbone for not just buying a ridiculous F150 like everyone else does.
     
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No dog in the fight, but the engine on the Caddy wagon looks insane.
     
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
So he wants a mediocre car with a truck bed as a fashion statement? Gotcha. Too bad we don't sell utes in the USA. Sounds like the nubs who buy an X5 just on the off chance they may get caught out in the snow one day.

Jawbone, if you want a real mid-size truck, get a Tacoma (down the road you'll love the resale value, too). If you don't really need a truck, buy a nice hatchback or wagon. I have a CTS-V wagon and it's truly a fantastic car, and it'll haul an amazing amount of stuff (and ass, doing 0-60 in ~4s).
Now, c'mon, that's not what he said or meant...

I don't need a truck so I can haul a tractor LIKE A MAY'UN!!!

I need a truck so I can transport furniture (my wife has a little side business) and small-to-moderate amounts of building materials (I've been building simple desks, tables, etc.). The fact that the Ridelines also look good is a plus. Also, it's a Honda. I'm attached to Hondas.
     
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
We recently purchased a 2007 Honda Pilot as our "bigger than an outback but cheaper than a tribecca" compromise. Consumer Reports liked it, it has AWD, 8 seats (for small people) and cargo room. Drives a little trucky, but not too bad.
My mother-in-law has bought three Pilots in a row in the 15 years I've known her. The first two lasted over 250,000 miles. I know y'all will be happy with it.

How is the steering? When I drove hers, it felt a little loose.
     
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It seems to me that 90% of europeans buy a large estate that would have bought a truck in the US. i encountered very little that my SAAB 9-5 estate wouldn't happily eat. It did deliver shitty mpg. But it was an Aero so there was a reason for that.
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
So he wants a mediocre car with a truck bed as a fashion statement? Gotcha.
People get so hung up on whether the Ridgeline is a true body on frame truck. I don't get it. There is zero upside to BOF unless someone is doing stuff that requires it - and in fact, if they're not it's generally a downside.

Sounds like the nubs who buy an X5 just on the off chance they may get caught out in the snow one day.
Or as we like to call those nubs around here, "subegos".

Jawbone, if you want a real mid-size truck, get a Tacoma (down the road you'll love the resale value, too). If you don't really need a truck, buy a nice hatchback or wagon. I have a CTS-V wagon and it's truly a fantastic car, and it'll haul an amazing amount of stuff (and ass, doing 0-60 in ~4s).
I love hatches and wagons, but I don't see how someone considering a truck would realize a hatch is the way to go. A minivan or SUV, yes, but a hatchback or wagon?
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Or as we like to call those nubs around here, "subegos".
Honestly, the big draw for me was it's a frigging tank, and it served well.

It got hit once... poor guy's ride ended up under the X5
     
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I love hatches and wagons, but I don't see how someone considering a truck would realize a hatch is the way to go. A minivan or SUV, yes, but a hatchback or wagon?
Yeah, I owned a hatchback once. Wasn't for me.

We do have a 2010 Odyssey, but larger items won't fit, and my wife got furious when I put a dent in our dashboard when transporting a ladder.

My favorite vehicle thus far was a Honda Element that eventually died on me after driving it all over the country. The storage when folding the seats up was amazing, it drove well (albeit slowly), and the MPG was good for what it was.
     
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No dog in the fight, but the engine on the Caddy wagon looks insane.
It's basically a 6th gen Corvette Z06 with comfort and cargo space. Great car.
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Originally Posted by Jawbone54 View Post
How is the steering? When I drove hers, it felt a little loose.
We tested two. The first had been beat on by a BC student, and it steered with effort and jounced on every pothole. The one we bought was higher trim pkg and well maintained by yuppies, so the steering seems smooth and suspension much better. Turning radius is better than expected for larger vehicle, but I need more practice parking it.
     
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
We tested two. The first had been beat on by a BC student, and it steered with effort and jounced on every pothole. The one we bought was higher trim pkg and well maintained by yuppies, so the steering seems smooth and suspension much better. Turning radius is better than expected for larger vehicle, but I need more practice parking it.
That was phrased so beautifully.
     
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I considered the Pilot a few years ago, along with the Ridgeline and the Acura MDX. The biggest, maybe only, drawback of the Ridgeline for me was that it was too long to fit in my garage comfortably. To be fair, a full sized Accord is also too long to fit in my garage.* I've ridden in Ridgelines, and they ride very nicely, plus offer plenty of interior features while still offering a real truck bed with a decent load capacity.

*The 2014 Ridgeline was 207" long, and I only had room for about 185". I wound up buying a BMW X3, which was priced competitively with both the 2014 Pilot (193" long) and the 2014 MDX (194" long), but only 183" long. (Did that make sense? The BMW cost only a little more than the Honda/Acura vehicles, but was short enough that it fits in my garage.)

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The BMW cost only a little more than the Honda/Acura vehicles, but was short enough that it fits in my garage.)
Yes, the Pilot is in a size class above the X3 - the Pilot is a three row and has more front and rear legroom than the X3 in addition to a third row of a seats.
     
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I can't see myself needing that extra leg room; I'm 6'2" and I've ridden behind my 6' tall son without any issues. But then, I don't need a third row of seats, either.

I just had a conversation with a coworker over lunch today about the convenience factor of an SUV versus a truck. For a daily use vehicle, where that daily use doesn't include taking advantage of the truck bed's capacity, SUVs tend to win out (i.e. the Pilot over the Ridgeline), but if you frequently toss a two week camping trip's equipment in the back of your vehicle, the truck tends to win out. I occasionally cuss about having to fold down the back seat and arrange stuff just-so in order to get lumber home, but that's very infrequent. On the other hand, I don't have a close friend who owns a pickup truck, so there's nobody to sponge off of.

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Jawbone, I ended up with a Ridgeline, haha. Did you ever spring for one?
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Mar 19, 2018, 11:38 AM
 
Actually waiting on my truck to arrive (used Texas Auto Direct, which is now owned by Vroom.com).

I wound up buying a Colorado:

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Nice. I assume the prices are probably pretty good down there.

I’m a huge fan. It’s a city truck that drives with the comfort of an SUV (but with less roll). It’s super nice inside - even the rear seats are adult usable. Lots of storage and the trunk in the bed is super cool. It’s perfect for regular-person use - weekend skis & snowboard, mountain bikes, weekend cottage trips, a new washer/dryer from Home Depot, some studs and drywall for a little basement reno. I don’t really need the towing capacity myself but you’d have to have a pretty serious trailer to exceed the 5000lbs.

I even got a tent for the bed. Still too cold to use it up here, but the three-year-old is going to lose her shit when we sleep out in the driveway this summer.
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Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton View Post
I’m a huge fan. It’s a city truck that drives with the comfort of an SUV (but with less roll). It’s super nice inside - even the rear seats are adult usable. Lots of storage and the trunk in the bed is super cool. It’s perfect for regular-person use - weekend skis & snowboard, mountain bikes, weekend cottage trips, a new washer/dryer from Home Depot, some studs and drywall for a little basement reno. I don’t really need the towing capacity myself but you’d have to have a pretty serious trailer to exceed the 5000lbs.
All sounds good. I'm really glad you like it. If I was getting a brand-new truck, it would have been more of an option for me. The rear seats with room for adults are especially appealing.

I even got a tent for the bed. Still too cold to use it up here, but the three-year-old is going to lose her shit when we sleep out in the driveway this summer.
     
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Yeah I got a 2017 - little over a year old, just used enough for a nice discount.
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I will say that I have two annoyances with it: first, the tailgate doesn’t lock. The trunk in the bed locks with the cabin, which is perfect, but without a lock for the tailgate putting stuff in the bed definitely feels a little less secure (particularly if you have a tonneau cover I imagine...).

The other one is the infotainment system. It can be pretty annoying I must admit. I’ve played around with the newest Accord and Honda seems to have really stepped up the latest touchscreens. But the Ridgeline still uses their old button-free capacitive system and it’s definitely an inelegant setup (it is nice to have CarPlay, although that also badly needs a significant update).

But otherwise, it pretty much feels like a Pilot or Odyssey inside. Which is actually pretty nice.
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As of mid 2017 (my now one-year old CRV) the Honda infotainment system has improved quite a bit. Mine has the nav system as well as all LCD display instruments, so the old little sub-display units are gone and everything is either on the nav/audio/etc display or on the “instrument cluster.”

I really like it, and comparing it to a non-nav Honda (my wife’s Civic), it seems like Honda has made things more similar rather than stratifying the systems as they had in the past. My wife’s Civic has an infotainment display that’s slightly smaller than my nav display, but the instrument display is very similar, so there’s no paradigm shift between the two vehicles.

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No infotainment in the van, so I’m forced to “suffer” with an iPad Mini.

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Originally Posted by ghporter View Post
As of mid 2017 (my now one-year old CRV) the Honda infotainment system has improved quite a bit. Mine has the nav system as well as all LCD display instruments, so the old little sub-display units are gone and everything is either on the nav/audio/etc display or on the “instrument cluster.”

I really like it, and comparing it to a non-nav Honda (my wife’s Civic), it seems like Honda has made things more similar rather than stratifying the systems as they had in the past. My wife’s Civic has an infotainment display that’s slightly smaller than my nav display, but the instrument display is very similar, so there’s no paradigm shift between the two vehicles.
Yes, the CRV basically added a volume knob for 2017, which was the most common complaint - it’s the upgraded version of mine (I looked at getting one before going with the Ridgeline). I hate capacitive screens that you actually have to look at to use...what a terrible idea for a car.

The new Accord has a new system with a bunch of buttons and a new type of system UI. It seemed pretty nice.
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While my CRV has the volume knob/power button, my wife’s Civic does not - but they’re still both 2017s. I’m guessing it’s the difference between the nav and non-nav systems, but I could be wrong.

Also, my CRV has a pseudo-slider control on the steering wheel for audio volume. Slide up on it and volume goes up, down and it goes down. You can use the + and - clickers on the top and bottom of the slider too. But on that same gadget on my wife’s Civic, only the + and - clickers work, not the slide. That’s pretty curious to me.

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