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May 20, 2005, 01:12 PM
 
Never mind.

The unfair attacks on Nugget have made me change my mind about the wisdom of linking to his photos in the first place. Lock this, please, mods.
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May 20, 2005, 07:22 PM
 
Keep that guy away from my stuff! He gets a new computer and the first thing he does is to take it apart? Not only that, but he did it on a carpeted floor and set the mainboard on a conductive surface that itself was sitting on the carpet. Hasn't he ever heard of anti-static precautions? Good-bye warranty!

It is, however, nice to have some sucker take apart his Mac so that I can see the insides without having to mess with mine while it's still under warranty.
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May 20, 2005, 07:32 PM
 
I can't say that the carpeted surface is the best idea, but the housing would drain away most, if not all, the static charge. As for "set the mainboard on a conductive surface that itself was sitting on the carpet" — well that's the right thing to do. One prevents static by using conductive materials. Insulators help build static charges, not reduce them.

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May 20, 2005, 10:17 PM
 
Originally Posted by Dr. Wahnsinn
Keep that guy away from my stuff! ... Good-bye warranty!
I am "that guy". The repairs in the pictures were peformed by an AppleCare technician to replace the faulty midplane board that arrived DOA with my new Mac. I can't say the technician did it any differently than I would have done myself, and clearly no harm was done. I'm typing on the machine right now.
     
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May 20, 2005, 11:59 PM
 
Originally Posted by Nugget
I am "that guy". The repairs in the pictures were peformed by an AppleCare technician to replace the faulty midplane board that arrived DOA with my new Mac. I can't say the technician did it any differently than I would have done myself, and clearly no harm was done. I'm typing on the machine right now.
I shoulda brought that up when I posted the link. Nugget was just taking pix, while a certified tech was replacing his dead mobo.

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May 21, 2005, 01:08 AM
 
Cool and informative pictures guys. So the new G5 DP2.7 has the same liquid cooling system as the G5 DP2.5. Just some slight modifications like the front face-plate.
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May 21, 2005, 08:23 AM
 
A classic case of why sarcastic people who are quick to criticize others like Dr. Wahnsinn should learn what's going on before posting.
     
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May 21, 2005, 11:53 AM
 
A classic case of why sarcastic people who are quick to criticize others like Dr. Wahnsinn should learn what's going on before posting.
I have to admit, my first thoughts were exactly like the ones of Dr. Wahnsinn....


Thanks for the impressive pics! Geek porn at it´s best


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May 22, 2005, 01:02 AM
 
So let me get this straight. As long as the repairs are done by an "AppleCare technician", it is always done properly with regard to anti-static precautions? Damage caused by static doesn't always equate to immediate failure of a component. The damage can be slight and manifest itself as crashes and freezes that you might not ever associate with the logic board replacement. For more fun with on-site repair, see the following link: http://www.macintouch.com/g5reader03.html. Scroll down to the October 14 "G5 service experience".

Hey Nugget, actually you're not "that guy" as you were a spectator to the event. I sincerely hope that no damage was done to your new logic board and that you get years of use out of your G5. My objection was to the technician's use of a carpeted floor as a workstation. Oh well, I guess he didn't have the desire that day to haul around a 6-foot woorkbench.

Originally posted by Lee33:
A classic case of why sarcastic people who are quick to criticize others like Dr. Wahnsinn should learn what's going on before posting.
Yes, and your post is a great example of someone who sits on the sidelines and waits for popular opinion to make up your mind for you. Good luck with that, at least you know you'll never be "wrong".
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May 22, 2005, 01:15 AM
 
I am "that guy" insofar as I'm the guy you chose to insult and make specious and inaccurate assumptions about. I'm certainly the guy you called a sucker and the guy who you incorrectly assumed voided his warranty. With both of your feet in your mouth, it was difficult to hear anything else you had to say.

If your approach to armchair computer repair is anything like your approach to message board posting, please forgive me for not lending you much credibility in that regard. I have no complaints with my AppleCare technician and I'm quite pleased with his demonstrated knowledge and attention to my repairs.

Please, it seems to me that your goal here is to take cheap shots and drag the conversation down. Can't we simply appreciate the interesting photos of the heatpipes on the back side of a PowerMac motherboard? Such was my purpose for taking the pictures in the first place, and presumably also Chris' reason for starting this thread.

Right or wrong, can you please just be civil? Thanks.
     
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May 22, 2005, 09:27 AM
 
Originally Posted by Dr. Wahnsinn
Yes, and your post is a great example of someone who sits on the sidelines and waits for popular opinion to make up your mind for you. Good luck with that, at least you know you'll never be "wrong".
Poor baby. It must suck to be you. Your world really is a mean ol' place isn't it? I mean, people picking on you all the time and everything. Damn! Just makes you want to stomp your feet and cry, doesn't it?

Now read this very carefully. I didn't sit on the sidelines and wait for popular opinion about you, now did I? Ah, HA! See, you're wrong again. Poor baby. And yes, I have found it is always best to wait for all the facts before commenting. It keeps me from looking like an arrogant jerk. Now go look in the mirror and tell us all what you see.

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May 22, 2005, 03:18 PM
 
Originally Posted by Nugget
I am "that guy". The repairs in the pictures were peformed by an AppleCare technician to replace the faulty midplane board that arrived DOA with my new Mac. I can't say the technician did it any differently than I would have done myself, and clearly no harm was done. I'm typing on the machine right now.
I am not passing judgement as to what methods were taken to repair your computer but I just would like to know as to why didn't you send the computer back to Apple for a replacement?
I don't feel any company should get away with selling the consumer a brand new defective product and then force the consumer to have it repaired rather than replace it.
That's a beautiful and very expensive machine as I just purchased the 2.3Ghz model and if it was defective in any way out of the box it would be put back in the box and thrown at Apple and make them send me a fresh "not repaired" one.

P.S. In a way you can't blame some of the posters for thinking that you did this all yourself. The pictures show the computer being opened directly after the Fedex shipping then hooked up, then a complete disassembly of the PowerMac. Gives the impression of someone buying the computer to dissect the hell out it. The repair was not done at an actual facility and you never accompanied the photos explaining it was defective so it looks kinda scary.
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May 22, 2005, 03:55 PM
 
Well, here's the full story, for those who are curious:

http://nugget.livejournal.com/92061.html

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May 22, 2005, 05:23 PM
 
Originally posted by nugget:
I am "that guy" insofar as I'm the guy you chose to insult and make specious and inaccurate assumptions about. I'm certainly the guy you called a sucker and the guy who you incorrectly assumed voided his warranty. With both of your feet in your mouth, it was difficult to hear anything else you had to say.

If your approach to armchair computer repair is anything like your approach to message board posting, please forgive me for not lending you much credibility in that regard. I have no complaints with my AppleCare technician and I'm quite pleased with his demonstrated knowledge and attention to my repairs.

Please, it seems to me that your goal here is to take cheap shots and drag the conversation down. Can't we simply appreciate the interesting photos of the heatpipes on the back side of a PowerMac motherboard? Such was my purpose for taking the pictures in the first place, and presumably also Chris' reason for starting this thread.

Right or wrong, can you please just be civil? Thanks.
No feet in my mouth. YOU are the one who posted the pics without explanation. There was NO mention of any AppleCare technician or repair - just photos that gave the impression of some guy taking apart his new computer. It is my opinion that anyone who does this is a sucker and my opinion of the repair technique still stands.

My approach to computer repair is to repair whatever is wrong and not to cause damage to any component through careless handling. Do you have a problem with that?

Cheap shots? Conversation? I was the second post. Perhaps you were expecting to see only posts such as "Cool man. Thanks for the photos." Well, this is a message board filled with quite a few different people and sometimes someone has a different opinion. True conversation quite often leads difference of opinion and it is something one should expect. As for "cheap shot", look it up as it doesn't mean what you think it means.

"Feet in mouth", "armchair computer rapair", "cheap shots", "drag the conversation down", and you want me to be civil? Have a look in the mirror.
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May 22, 2005, 05:35 PM
 
Originally posted by lee33;
Poor baby. It must suck to be you. Your world really is a mean ol' place isn't it? I mean, people picking on you all the time and everything. Damn! Just makes you want to stomp your feet and cry, doesn't it?

Now read this very carefully. I didn't sit on the sidelines and wait for popular opinion about you, now did I? Ah, HA! See, you're wrong again. Poor baby. And yes, I have found it is always best to wait for all the facts before commenting. It keeps me from looking like an arrogant jerk. Now go look in the mirror and tell us all what you see.

Did I say, "poor baby," yet?
Actually it's great to be me. I enjoy life and I've had the opprotunity to do just about everything that I've wanted. The world is a great place and nobody picks on me (I'm not a kid). Perhaps it's a different place for you.

Your approach to posting comments may keep you from looking like an arrogant jerk, but this post makes you look like rather immature. In my experience, those who resort to using terms like "poor baby" probably use it because they heard it all too often as a child.
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May 22, 2005, 05:35 PM
 
I am the one who posted the pics? That's news to me. Perhaps you didn't notice, but I'm not the one who started this thread.

The pics are in my personal photo gallery and frankly I couldn't care less if they don't contain the full story or present a complete picture of my repair story.

Once again you are demonstrating a habit of leaping to faulty conclusions and then using them to justify your arrogant and combative attitude. It's this attitude that I have a problem with, and judging from the reaction you've elicited, I'm not the only one who is bothered by your asocial behavior.

Look -- there's absolutely ZERO reason for you to turn this thread into a confrontation, yet you continue to do exactly that. If your life is so lacking confrontation that you have to invent it on internet message boards, please take up paintball or something and leave the rest of us to discuss computers.
     
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May 22, 2005, 06:41 PM
 
You guys are a bunch of pussies about static. I've taken apart a TON of computers, rebuilt them, etc etc etc, and I did them wherever was handy, on carpet, on a table, whatever. Guess what?

ZERO PROBLEMS.

Jesus, next thing you know you'll all be ranting about magnetic fuel saving devices or something.
     
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Static does kill things, I've blown 2 $10,000 IC devices (at taxpayers expense thankfully) in the last year. There is no reason not to take an extra step to minimize risk. That being said, carpet in it self isn't more dangerous then a rubberized non-conductive mat (or any other poorly conductive surface). As long as the human on the mat/carpet takes the proper at static precautions there is little danger.
     
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May 22, 2005, 06:58 PM
 
Originally Posted by chris v
Never mind.

The unfair attacks on Nugget have made me change my mind about the wisdom of linking to his photos in the first place. Lock this, please, mods.
Werd.

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Originally Posted by Ganesha
Static does kill things, I've blown 2 $10,000 IC devices (at taxpayers expense thankfully) in the last year.
As a taxpayer, I would like to have you fired.

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Originally Posted by chris v
As a taxpayer, I would like to have you fired.
Yeah, I would play it safe and don't mention thankful things like damaging stuff at a taxpayer's expense here. Taxes are high enough as it is, sometimes we have to wonder why???
Okay so the issue at hand with Nugget's PowerMac has been addressed as he posted a link to the full story. I don't know why he got such a tongue lashing that he didn't deserve. He just didn't clarify a few things in the beginning which was his mistake but he is a "MacUser" and a member on this forum and we may need his Macintosh knowledge for help sometime in the future so there's no reason for him to remember how bad he felt he was treated on these boards and never offer help in return.
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In summary: You guys are dicks.
     
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Originally Posted by powertrippin
In summary: You guys are dicks.
Thanks for the Cliff's Notes version of this thread, pt. I can't imagine where we'd be without you, big man? You really do have to quit trying to get on everyone's good side, though. Kissing up doesn't work around here, don't you know that?



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Originally Posted by powertrippin
In summary: You guys are dicks.
Ehh. Only one guy is bitching about static. Didn't anyone ever tell you to not burn bridges? And um...pussies or dicks? Which?
     
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May 23, 2005, 10:52 AM
 
As hard as I try, I just can't manage to muster up any more "grumpy". I'm sitting in front of this sweet 30" Cinema Display and my new, working dual 2.7GHz PowerMac.

My face aches from grinning all day long.

At the end of the day, that's all that matters to me.
     
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May 23, 2005, 11:41 AM
 
Man, oh, man-- I was over at Precision Camera on Saturday and they had a 30" set up. You really do have to walk from one side to the other. Those things are crazy.

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Weird, that´s the most thoroughly derailed thread i´ve ever tripped over. Started with geek porn and ended up in personal flame war............................sad


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Originally Posted by euphras
Weird, that´s the most thoroughly derailed thread i´ve ever tripped over. Started with geek porn and ended up in personal flame war............................sad
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May 27, 2005, 02:43 AM
 
Just to add more strife, I have built PC's on "the carpet" for about 10 years now. I have lost one video card because of it, and thats because I was careless and forgot to ground myself first.

As long as you are carefull and know your enviornment, I don't see it as a real problem. I work in a semiconductor fab and there is no carpet to be seen, however the thick soled shoes we wear are the number one source of shocks around here.


BTW: Too bad I missed the pics, the insides of the towers are beautifull coming from PC's
     
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Originally Posted by euphras
Weird, that´s the most thoroughly derailed thread i´ve ever tripped over. Started with geek porn and ended up in personal flame war............................sad
Not necessarily, I think it's ending quite well. After seeing the pics of that beautiful 30" ACD that the poster in question had I took back my "Pinkie" 23" ACD to the Apple retail store I bought it from 2 weeks ago and exchanged it for the 30" and no restocking fee because the 23" has been having color issues.
This screen is so stunning, it's impossible to explain how well it looks in your own home.

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The 30" display is a dream. It's absolutely worth the money. I'm thrilled that I pushed you over the edge, you won't regret it.

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Originally Posted by Nugget
The 30" display is a dream. It's absolutely worth the money. I'm thrilled that I pushed you over the edge, you won't regret it.

You might get a kick out of this little tool I wrote today too.
You most definitely did! I had a difficult time justifying the $3,000 price tag on the 30" so I bought the 23". After all of the problems I had and others were having the same issues I didn't want old "Pinkie" anymore. I wanted an HD display and it had to be Apple. I'm not too thrilled with the Sony stuff and no matter how clear the screens are I don't want Dell's name and ho hum design asthetics to be part of my system.
AFter seeing your set up I decided to go for the 30" rather than deal with Apple trying to convince me to allow them to "try" and "fix" my 23" screen. Well this screen should last me through several PowerMac upgrades. I'm setting up my Bose system and hang the 30" on the wall (better than going with a Plasma) and use the PowerMac as my complete media center system with TV tuner and all.
Excuse the "media center" name. I own nothing PC related other than Virtual PC.
Sorry you had to deal with some rough treatment from select posters but you helped me make a good choice based on your experience.
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Originally Posted by westrock
Too bad I missed the pics, the insides of the towers are beautifull coming from PC's
The pics are still there at http://slacker.com/photos/powermac
     
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Got the 23" was nice but small. 1 week after got the 30" insane!!!
     
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While I don't agree assuming things without knowing the whole story...I have to admit that seeing the guts of that PM 2.7 layed out across the carpet flow did make my stomach churn. Maybe it was just because I know how I would feel seeing mine like that.

Glad everything worked out OK for you and your PowerMac. I do appreciate the pictures that let me see a PM like mine in detail without have to take the risk.
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