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Sine · Jul 1, 2002, 12:39 PM

I couldn't even get Proteus to work, it forgot my settings, and information as well. How sucky.

Jan Van Boghout · Jul 1, 2002, 12:47 PM

Can't you change the winking smiley? It looks like it's going to bite�

gorickey · Jul 1, 2002, 01:46 PM

I really really really like the Drawer effect (understand Adam Iser?) but thats not enough for me to convert over to Proteus 2.0....but I'll stick with Adium for my IM needs and await Adium 2.0!

Guy Incognito · Jul 1, 2002, 02:24 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Targon:
Tried v2 today...thought it was terrible...several steps backward IMO

So what are the other ICQ clients out there?? When is the next Fire release?<hr /></blockquote>Way to not explain why Proteus 2.0 has taken several steps backwards.

Guy Incognito · Jul 1, 2002, 02:25 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jan Van Boghout:
I can't believe that he replaced the old smileys with the ikonBoard/Invisionboard smileys! First I think they look awful and second, isn't there some kind of copyright on them?
Brrrr� I will never type a smiley again <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>What's preventing you from using the old smiley set?

Mac Guru · Jul 1, 2002, 02:28 PM

Well he WAS going to get $10 until I USED it. Or at least TRIED to.

Too bad I had to restart Proteus 4 times before I could get online buddies to show up.

It LOOKS nice but it's VERY clumsy and feels like I've DOWNGRADED.

Going to remain an Adium user. Make Proteus simply damn amazing and I'll switch, till then, Adam has me as a user still.

Mac Guru

Guy Incognito · Jul 1, 2002, 02:29 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by gorickey:
I really really really like the Drawer effect (understand Adam Iser?) but thats not enough for me to convert over to Proteus 2.0....but I'll stick with Adium for my IM needs and await Adium 2.0!<hr /></blockquote>What would be 'enough'?

I love the way people say 'this is cool...but I'm not gonna use it', leaving everyone in a state of confusion as to why they're not satisfied.

Guy Incognito · Jul 1, 2002, 02:32 PM

Hmmm...I had a feeling people wouldn't be mature enough to understand what a public beta was all about.

iNeusch · Jul 1, 2002, 02:37 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Guy Incognito:
Hmmm...I had a feeling people wouldn't be mature enough to understand what a public beta was all about.<hr /></blockquote>Hey! some are

This PB is great, needs more working, but it's great.
Just bought it... I think they deserve it !

Sure there are some bugs... but that's the good part of PB, you can help the guy out.

wr11 · Jul 1, 2002, 02:41 PM

Step back, what the hell is everyone doing? I just put in on my desktop and double-clicked. I had it up for about 1 min, before I registered. All my contacts worked fine, and interface has been thought out so much more. This App, and more importantly it's author deserve a lot of credit. Proteus is by far the best Mac IM around.

unfaded · Jul 1, 2002, 02:46 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Guy Incognito:
What would be 'enough'?

I love the way people say 'this is cool...but I'm not gonna use it', leaving everyone in a state of confusion as to why they're not satisfied.<hr /></blockquote>Okay, Guy, I'll take a stab at it.

It's very slow. Adium's speedy as hell on my iBook 500, Proteus is not. Point Adium.

Proteus destroys my AOLIM groups when importing them, Adium does not. Point Adium.

Proteus does not accurately represent the status of people on AOLIM. Adium does and does it very well. Point Adium.

Proteus has the drawer, which is really Sweet. Adium doesn't. Point Proteus.

Proteus utilises (british spelling...) the ever-loving crap out of Quartz. This is really sweet, but slows things down. Adium utilises OS X, but none of the fancy-schmancy effects Proteus does, keeping it low CPU-intensive. This is really a tie.

Proteus can use all my services in one app and does it very seamlessly. Adium can't. Point Proteus.

These are the only points, in my view (not others, however I'm sure most of you will correct me) that stand out. As you can see, Adium has a 3-2-1 record over the 2-3-1 Proteus, and will stay in charge of my AOLIM for now. Everything else, Proteus.

Sine · Jul 1, 2002, 02:48 PM

*shrug* Wont work for me.

I think the author needs to release it like the Fire builds are.

Easier to catch bugs that way.

Adam Betts · Jul 1, 2002, 02:59 PM

Tried Proteus 2.0 with high hope that it'll become a decent IM app but sadly nope. It got high learning-curve which isn't good for a simple IM app. The icon for menubar isn't as pretty as app itself. Drawer window sucks, IMHO. Lack of useful features for buddy window such as automatically resize window when user sign on/off, buddy grouping, and many more.

Adium is light-weighted, compact, stable and save CPU. It's more usable and simple.

Sorry Proteus but I'm going back to Adium <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Hobbes · Jul 1, 2002, 03:13 PM

Thought I'd give Proteus a go and see how it compared to Fire...

1. Had to input all my settings and accounts twice. Proteus "forgot" them the first time. Not a big deal, but a definite annoyance.

2. App completely froze the GUI in 10.1.5. I went to the "About Proteus" box, and the music played and the "movement" started, then froze. I could still move my mouse, but couldn't switch to other apps or do anything else. So I closed the lid on my iBook, let it go to sleep, then woke it up. That worked. Although, I would have been seriously ****ed off had it not.

Like I said, the settings forgetting is not a big deal. The freeze IS. For the time being, I'll be sticking with Fire.

gorickey · Jul 1, 2002, 03:15 PM

Guy:

Man, you are really a die-hard Proteus user...doesn't mean all of us have to be...take a chill pill.

Why I will use Adium instead of Proteus 2.0...

1.) Because I want too and can and will make that choice.

2.) It doesn't remember my window settings like Adium does, and I can't make buddy list as small as I can in Adium.

3.) It's bloated, takes up heavy CPU.

4.) Adium is more customizable then you can shake a stick at, Proteus isn't at this point.

5.) I'll never use the other services (MSN, Yahoo, etc.) so I just want a IM client, and Adium reigns supreme.

Those are MY reasons, and I hope that avoids "any confusion" as you stated before.

spectre · Jul 1, 2002, 05:40 PM

Well, first off, I can't use adium because i only know about 6 people that use AIM. (everyone here uses msn for some reason). Anyways, I just thought that I'd say this release is awesome! I'm kinda upgrading from the preveious versions.. so i havn't had to set anything up, which may explain my lack of problems. But overall, i'm so damn impressed with this. The interface is perfect, and there are so many features.

and Acquistion on the same day.. yay

spectre · Jul 1, 2002, 05:44 PM

Hobbes, make sure you report your problem to the author... after all, this is a public beta test.

lngtones · Jul 1, 2002, 09:32 PM

Ok, I've been looking but is there anyway to lose that bar at the bottom of buddy lists, and how do I use those emoticon packs?

I put them in the right spot, just can't figure out how to change which pack to use in the app

Thanks

nforcer · Jul 1, 2002, 09:36 PM

Keeping in mind that this is a beta, I am pretty impressed. It took a while to setup accounts for 3 services as I didn't find an import feature. Learning the gui took a few mins as well.

The release is also not without bugs. I have to quit and relaunch it to get the contact list to update when I add someone. There are some typos, and other graphical problems in the app as well.

To all of the people complaining about the special effects and the cpu intensiveness of the app, you can turn off the contact list fading. I did and haven't noticed any major slowdown.

Now for what I like. Now that I am adapted the interface, it is very nice. the only way it could be better is with the user list in the drawer, and options to sort and view the user list there. The graphics and sounds are also very well done.

If you use AIM and only AIM, Adium is probably the better choice. But if you use more than one IM service, get Proteus. I'm through with my Adium/Fire combo of talking to ppl. The only way Adium can win me back is with file transfer, icon support, and by combining the userlist into a drawer.

dazzla · Jul 1, 2002, 09:46 PM

Well I tried Proteus hoping it would fix the bug I had it he previous ones. It didn't.

What happens is when it eventually signs into MSN (at least 3 minutes after AOL and ICQ) after around 3 seconds I get signed out. This happens constantly. Seeing as MSN is a must for me, it renders the app useless. I only have about 10 people total on AOL and ICQ but around 80 on MSN.

Is there some way to log error messages so the author can maybe see why I keep getting signed out instantly?

[ 07-01-2002, 10:28 PM: Message edited by: dazzla ]

IEEE1394 · Jul 1, 2002, 10:34 PM

I got the Proteus 2.0 PP, and I'm not impressed. I do like the interface, but I can't do anything with MSN. Every 30 seconds I get logged out of it, and I can't send or receive messages.

Were these quirks fixed then, yes, I would update.

hew · Jul 1, 2002, 10:34 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sine:
*shrug* Wont work for me.

I think the author needs to release it like the Fire builds are.

Easier to catch bugs that way.<hr /></blockquote>What wont work? You fail to mention anything about what is going wrong with the Application. Did you even test it? Or are you just spreading Fire propaganda? If you did then why not send an email to Justin about what's happening and he can fix it.

As for releasing it like Fire with daily builds. God I hope not, look what daily builds did to Chimera. It was completely solid until they started daily builds. Now it wont even stay open for more than 10 minutes on almost ALL of the builds. If you like Fire's development scheme and have problems with Proteus than use Fire.

As for myself I've been using Proteus since 1.5 and I have yet to have any problems with it. Yes, it's not the most easy application to use for most people until they learn it and it doesn't have as many features as Adium, but it does multi service well and has a smooth interface.

And for the people complaining about it being slow. I'm running it on a iBook 500mhz with only 320mb of ram and it runs great. The only thing I can guess is either Proteus has a problem with some machines(Which could be the case) or they're just spreading insults because they like another app so much better.

Now I'll tell you right now each app has their strong points. Adium uses very little cpu and keeps things compact, has many features as well, but lacks multi service. Fire doesn't seem to have anything over Proteus except a different interface and a different way of doing things. To each their own, but please don't come in here defacing an application you haven't even used.

Gul Banana · Jul 1, 2002, 10:51 PM

To those people who had to import their stuff twice: Did you save your user data afterwards?

Personally, I haven't experienced any bugs with the new version. I'm not saying it's perfect - for example, no ICQ file transfer - but it has more features than I personally can shake a stick at, and I just plain like the interface, and stuff. I can't compare it to Fire, since I haven't used recent versions of that, but Proteus really rocks compared to using other clients seperately for different services like I used to.. and indeed in general. Looking forward I am to with shell integration playing

tinrib · Jul 1, 2002, 11:22 PM

i think it's very nice.

adium is aol only so if i ran that i would have to run proteus as well anyway. one thing i noticed, if I am chatting with one person and then speak to another, i can see in the drawer if the first messages me. if i then shut the drawer i would expect it to reopen again if i am messaged from the first person. it doesn't.

another thing - i apple-I a contact to get the info screen up, but can't change the nickname. why not? (yes I just realised that option-apple-I will let me change the nick, but the question remains. Could the settings panel not be incorporated into the user info panel?)

toolbar buttons - some of the names are far too long. If I have 'show account viewer' then i am forced to use icons only rather than icon/name. 'accounts' would be sufficient.
The prefs could do with a back and a forward button (like omniweb?) as it is annoying to keep coming back to the main menu, as you only really set the prefs once and you are gonna want to go through and see them all.

am glad to see some annoyances fixed, like the font changing everytime you paste something in and stuff. IMO Proteus rocks! I also used to get a frequent spinning pinwheel of delay with 1.6b4 - i had no such problems last night using proteus. i hope this problem is gone. i never pinned down why it was happening.

superfula · Jul 1, 2002, 11:48 PM

Well I tried it, didn't like it...back to Adium and MSN.

Had the same problem as dazzla. MSN signed in a few minutes after aim and wouldn't stay connected.

Speed speed speed. An im program should not be a system hog. Proteus is. I have a dual 800 and I can tell the difference when proteus and is not running. An im client should leave a small footprint

For a multi-im program, it isn't very multi-im. It needs to have the aim only or msn only or isq only features. Custom away messages... profiles... for AIM..."'Username' is typing a message" deal for MSN etc. They are an important part of AIM. Without those, I won't use Proteus. Fire you can at least personalize your away messages. As far as I'm concerned, Adium/MSN client is tops....Fire is a close number two....and proteus still lagging behind.

The gui isn't very intuitive. I need more options!!!

I could care less about drawers or tabs. Take the drawers out and stick some other options that are worth while in.

I like the way fire is releasing builds. Its more productive. The newest builds of Chimera have never run better or faster for me. Same with omni-web. There is a reason why they release so much. It helps the program progress faster.

Guy Incognito · Jul 2, 2002, 02:14 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Adam Betts:

Adium is light-weighted, compact, stable and save CPU. It's more usable and simple.
<hr /></blockquote>Yeah...simple is good for the simple-minded.

Guy Incognito · Jul 2, 2002, 02:18 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by superfula:
Well I tried it, didn't like it...back to Adium and MSN.

Had the same problem as dazzla. MSN signed in a few minutes after aim and wouldn't stay connected.

Speed speed speed. An im program should not be a system hog. Proteus is. I have a dual 800 and I can tell the difference when proteus and is not running. An im client should leave a small footprint

For a multi-im program, it isn't very multi-im. It needs to have the aim only or msn only or isq only features. Custom away messages... profiles... for AIM..."'Username' is typing a message" deal for MSN etc. They are an important part of AIM. Without those, I won't use Proteus. Fire you can at least personalize your away messages. As far as I'm concerned, Adium/MSN client is tops....Fire is a close number two....and proteus still lagging behind.

The gui isn't very intuitive. I need more options!!!

I could care less about drawers or tabs. Take the drawers out and stick some other options that are worth while in.
<hr /></blockquote>Are you sure you're using Proteus? MSN has the 'user is typing' feature...you can personalize your away messages. Proteus offers the most GUI options of any IM client. And does all this and much, much more without going over 4% CPU.

Sine · Jul 2, 2002, 03:37 AM

Not going over 4%? Are you serious? <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

Jerommeke · Jul 2, 2002, 04:34 AM

And I have the same MSN yeah I connect but yeah I am disconnected after a minute or two bug.

And indeed, I have >150 buddies, but I guess at least 120 of them are MSN buddies.

hew · Jul 2, 2002, 04:43 AM

The MSN bug is weird as I do not have it, I have been using MSN since the private beta he sent me a while back and no problems. He said he's working on it and should have a fix at least by final release.

As for Proteus using less than 4% I'd have to disagree at least for my G3 in my iBook. Opening a new chat window it gets up to about 40 for .5 seconds then go back around 5-10%. It never jumps over 10% while typing in something which is pretty good if you ask me.

Adium for me flucuates between 7-25% on my system. Now I'm not saying Proteus 2.0 is better or uses less system resources for everyone. Each person has different needs, but for me Proteus runs BETTER than Adium on my old 500mhz G3 and it gives me multi service as well.

I tire of these "Input rival applications here" wars. Just use what works for you and try out the competitions every once in a while.

[ 07-02-2002, 05:08 AM: Message edited by: hew ]

undotwa · Jul 2, 2002, 09:05 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by hew:

As for releasing it like Fire with daily builds. God I hope not, look what daily builds did to Chimera. It was completely solid until they started daily builds. Now it wont even stay open for more than 10 minutes on almost ALL of the builds. If you like Fire's development scheme and have problems with Proteus than use Fire.<hr /></blockquote>Umm, daily builds are not meant to be stable. Chimera releases daily builds of Navigator so people can submit bugs, and look at the latest bugs. It's an open source project, so people need to be up to date if they want to be involved.

Mac Guru · Jul 2, 2002, 09:10 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Yeah...simple is good for the simple-minded. <hr /></blockquote>LOL, THIS is why I dislike you and your mindless droning on about Proteus.

DIRECT from Proteus' Description page:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Simplicity

Proteus isn't designed to have a thousand wiz-bang features which eat your computer's bandwidth, and go oft-unused. Instead, we've looked at what instant messaging is designed to do, sending messages, and just made the whole thing process simpler. <hr /></blockquote>Hmmmm but I forgot! Simplicity is for the simple minded.

Compare, side by side, Protues' features as an AOL IM client and Adiums and Justin has left the building with about a thousand wiz-bang features that eat my computers bandwidth.

I opened Proteus, had 8 contacts online, typed a 6 word message to one of them and sent it, 28% CPU JUST to send a message!

Same thing in Adium? 3%

I'n adium I can make my IM experience appear however I want it to. I can have messages that look like anything I choose. Hell I can even force other people's IM's to behave however I wish.

Proteus? Oooooh I can only change the color of incoming messages.

Tabs are not a bad thing, I don't remember the last time I was IM'ing my entire buddy list. The most I do is probably 5 people and that's HARDLY enough to truncate tabs. Someone messages that's on a different tab? Command <- / -> to navigate. Adium is a total Keyboard Navigable app. I havn't been able to do all I needed in Proteus with just the keyboard.

It may comform to Apple's UI standards a little more than Adium but that doesn't make it a better app. It's crap IMHO and I won't use it no matter how much Guy I. belittles me. You can't FORCE someone to use an app they don't like.

Mac Guru

Hobbes · Jul 2, 2002, 09:49 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Guy Incognito:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Adam Betts:

Adium is light-weighted, compact, stable and save CPU. It's more usable and simple.
<hr /></blockquote>Yeah...simple is good for the simple-minded.<hr /></blockquote>Guy, what's with the insults? Just because someone doesn't like the same product as you doesn't give you the write to insult him. You seem way to emotionally involved in Proteus, almost as if you're entire self-esteem is wrapped up in its acceptance.

That's why there are so many IM apps, and why Apple will be bringing out yet anther one. There's a market for that many. Just check the downloads on all of then on VersionTracker. Different people like different things.

dazzla · Jul 2, 2002, 10:25 AM

Well, I finally got Proteus working, I don't know how. Could be something with me disabling server side contacts for MSN.
Anyway, it's working sweet and I love it. The UI is quality, I love the way all the contacts are in the drawer on the side.

One thing though, I have successfully recieved files, but clicking the send file button or selecting it from the menu doesn't do anything. <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" />

piccie

<a href="http://idisk.mac.com/dazzla2/Public/prot3.jpg" target="_blank">http://idisk.mac.com/dazzla2/Public/prot3.jpg</a>

[ 07-02-2002, 10:26 AM: Message edited by: dazzla ]

Andrew 8808 · Jul 2, 2002, 10:40 AM

I am using it right now. It looks very nice. But still needs work. It doesn't show the status of AIM users anymore, they all look normal when some are away and idle, etc. I do like the drawer, and the the "modern" layout, with the headers. Isn't that what iChat does?
Anyhoo, it needs some work, but looks pretty nice so far.

Targon · Jul 2, 2002, 10:43 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Guy Incognito:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Targon:
Tried v2 today...thought it was terrible...several steps backward IMO

So what are the other ICQ clients out there?? When is the next Fire release?<hr /></blockquote>Way to not explain why Proteus 2.0 has taken several steps backwards.

<hr /></blockquote>Sorry Guy, didnt have the time at that point.

Ok........The relocation of the "Status" and "View" elements to the bottom of the contact list concerns me. Firstly, since i have my contact list rather narrow, the Status button is truncated and i could find a way to remove the other "View" element. I prefered these two at the top of the list in the tool bar. This enabled me to remove what item i wanted. Now, im taking into account this is beta, but when i remove all the items in the toolbar and choose to hide the toolbar, Proteus won't remember this when it's launched again. The removal of the Columns in the contact list is doing my head in. Not to sound like a boner but i have like 70+ contacts in my list...I wanna see them all regardless of there status.

With the placement of the Status buttons at the bottom of the contact list, V2 looks more like ICQ 3.0.2X....I havent got enuff fingers to ram down my throat to induce.......hmm nevermind.

Message window draws..........man they Blow. They automatically open a draw upon a new message. I just want a small little window to open. The draw may very well be fine, i'd just prefer the thing stayed closed ...perhaps an option is appropriate here? My net machine is a Pismo....i don;t have the luxury of space to leave windows open liek what is expected. BTW, Don't like squared looking buttons, what happened to the nice capsule ones? This is petty i know, but why the effort in creating different buttons when the original ones adhered to the guidelines an looked great?

I did however like the default 2 line text entry field size of message windows ;-) Nice touch

Command+W on a message window closes the Proteus contact list....not ideal. I may decide not to send a message and just want close the window. If i want to hide the contact list id do a Command+H for Hide Proteus.

Small thing for most (i think u know im a bitch when it comes to my Techno Font) but, hard forced application font's f_ _ _ me off so badly. Pls developers use yer ugly assed crappy font Apple tells you to use but pls dont make it a hard coded font that Tinker Tool cant change. Anywayz sorry for crude language but my font looks dope as shiot, the other fonts used look like crap to me. Here's a pic

<img src="http://users.bigpond.net.au/targon/2Proteus%20Pref.jpg" alt=" - " />

I can't see, and don't expect a team of developers to change an app again to satisfy critical ppl like me, i'll just have to look for something else.

Cheers fer listening to my bitches

[ 07-02-2002, 10:53 AM: Message edited by: Targon ]

Guy Incognito · Jul 2, 2002, 11:19 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mac Guru:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr /> Yeah...simple is good for the simple-minded. <hr /></blockquote>LOL, THIS is why I dislike you and your mindless droning on about Proteus.

DIRECT from Proteus' Description page:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Simplicity

Proteus isn't designed to have a thousand wiz-bang features which eat your computer's bandwidth, and go oft-unused. Instead, we've looked at what instant messaging is designed to do, sending messages, and just made the whole thing process simpler. <hr /></blockquote>Hmmmm but I forgot! Simplicity is for the simple minded.

Compare, side by side, Protues' features as an AOL IM client and Adiums and Justin has left the building with about a thousand wiz-bang features that eat my computers bandwidth.

I opened Proteus, had 8 contacts online, typed a 6 word message to one of them and sent it, 28% CPU JUST to send a message!

Same thing in Adium? 3%

I'n adium I can make my IM experience appear however I want it to. I can have messages that look like anything I choose. Hell I can even force other people's IM's to behave however I wish.

Proteus? Oooooh I can only change the color of incoming messages.

Tabs are not a bad thing, I don't remember the last time I was IM'ing my entire buddy list. The most I do is probably 5 people and that's HARDLY enough to truncate tabs. Someone messages that's on a different tab? Command <- / -> to navigate. Adium is a total Keyboard Navigable app. I havn't been able to do all I needed in Proteus with just the keyboard.

It may comform to Apple's UI standards a little more than Adium but that doesn't make it a better app. It's crap IMHO and I won't use it no matter how much Guy I. belittles me. You can't FORCE someone to use an app they don't like.

Mac Guru<hr /></blockquote>You dislike my mindless Proteus droning...I dislike your mindless Adium droning.

gorickey · Jul 2, 2002, 11:21 AM

Oh boy, he said/she said...

CLOSE THIS THREAD!

Guy Incognito · Jul 2, 2002, 11:27 AM

Targon...just drop Justin an e-mail.

And for all you other people that complain...instead of whining and not providing any explanation why, drop Justin an e-mail also. He's very receptive.

This is a public beta and should be treated like such. Justin didn't expect **** -munchers like Mac Guru to try the app, find a bug, and trash the app in frustration. There's obviously a bug if the app is taking +10% CPU...but it's a public beta...

Use the 'public beta' like it should Mac Guru and run 'sample Proteus 5' at the command prompt in Terminal, send the file it creates to Justin so he can fix the problem instead of being a little baby about everything.

[Edit: actually, Justin probably did expect idiots like Mac Guru to treat the Public Beta build as a final build...but he decided the people that would treat his build as a Public Beta outweighed Mac Guru's absence of intelligence.]

[ 07-02-2002, 11:30 AM: Message edited by: Guy Incognito ]

hew · Jul 2, 2002, 11:29 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Targon:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Guy Incognito:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Targon:
Tried v2 today...thought it was terrible...several steps backward IMO

So what are the other ICQ clients out there?? When is the next Fire release?<hr /></blockquote>Way to not explain why Proteus 2.0 has taken several steps backwards.

<hr /></blockquote>Sorry Guy, didnt have the time at that point.

Ok........The relocation of the "Status" and "View" elements to the bottom of the contact list concerns me. Firstly, since i have my contact list rather narrow, the Status button is truncated and i could find a way to remove the other "View" element. I prefered these two at the top of the list in the tool bar. This enabled me to remove what item i wanted. Now, im taking into account this is beta, but when i remove all the items in the toolbar and choose to hide the toolbar, Proteus won't remember this when it's launched again. The removal of the Columns in the contact list is doing my head in. Not to sound like a boner but i have like 70+ contacts in my list...I wanna see them all regardless of there status.

With the placement of the Status buttons at the bottom of the contact list, V2 looks more like ICQ 3.0.2X....I havent got enuff fingers to ram down my throat to induce.......hmm nevermind.

Message window draws..........man they Blow. They automatically open a draw upon a new message. I just want a small little window to open. The draw may very well be fine, i'd just prefer the thing stayed closed ...perhaps an option is appropriate here? My net machine is a Pismo....i don;t have the luxury of space to leave windows open liek what is expected. BTW, Don't like squared looking buttons, what happened to the nice capsule ones? This is petty i know, but why the effort in creating different buttons when the original ones adhered to the guidelines an looked great?

I did however like the default 2 line text entry field size of message windows ;-) Nice touch

Command+W on a message window closes the Proteus contact list....not ideal. I may decide not to send a message and just want close the window. If i want to hide the contact list id do a Command+H for Hide Proteus.

Small thing for most (i think u know im a bitch when it comes to my Techno Font) but, hard forced application font's f_ _ _ me off so badly. Pls developers use yer ugly assed crappy font Apple tells you to use but pls dont make it a hard coded font that Tinker Tool cant change. Anywayz sorry for crude language but my font looks dope as shiot, the other fonts used look like crap to me. Here's a pic

<img src="http://users.bigpond.net.au/targon/2Proteus%20Pref.jpg" alt=" - " />

I can't see, and don't expect a team of developers to change an app again to satisfy critical ppl like me, i'll just have to look for something else.

Cheers fer listening to my bitches

<hr /></blockquote>You seem to have a lot of time to post this huge post, but yet you don't have time to look through all the preferences huh? Want to get rid of the drawer, no problem. Go into the preferences, click on Interface where it SHOULD be not messages. Anyways, right there in front of you in the General tab turn off "Enabled window collection, aka message center". That will stop those so called "draws" from popping up.

Justin Wood · Jul 2, 2002, 11:29 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Targon:
Sorry Guy, didnt have the time at that point.

Ok........The relocation of the "Status" and "View" elements to the bottom of the contact list concerns me. Firstly, since i have my contact list rather narrow, the Status button is truncated and i could find a way to remove the other "View" element. I prefered these two at the top of the list in the tool bar. This enabled me to remove what item i wanted. Now, im taking into account this is beta, but when i remove all the items in the toolbar and choose to hide the toolbar, Proteus won't remember this when it's launched again. <hr /></blockquote>Please file the bug reports on my website, or email me. As far as I know the toolbars save properly, in fact I have no idea why they wouldn't, they're very standard Cocoa widgets.
[/QB][/QUOTE] <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Targon:

The removal of the Columns in the contact list is doing my head in. Not to sound like a boner but i have like 70+ contacts in my list...I wanna see them all regardless of there status.
<hr /></blockquote>I have 260 contacts in my list, If you want to see them all, click the "all" contacts button, its the middle one of the tri-button at the bottom of the contact list. That will show you all the contacts. As for columns, they aren't removed, they're still very much columns.
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Targon:

With the placement of the Status buttons at the bottom of the contact list, V2 looks more like ICQ 3.0.2X....I havent got enuff fingers to ram down my throat to induce.......hmm nevermind.
<hr /></blockquote>If you don't like this, please explain, I have found it to be much more efficient. As stated on the page though, send me input on this, why you don't like it, etc and we can work from there. Just saying "its bad" doesn't explain why it doesn't suit you, and doesn't help me make it better.
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Targon:

Message window draws..........man they Blow. They automatically open a draw upon a new message. I just want a small little window to open. The draw may very well be fine, i'd just prefer the thing stayed closed ...perhaps an option is appropriate here? My net machine is a Pismo....i don;t have the luxury of space to leave windows open liek what is expected. <hr /></blockquote>Draws? I assume you mean opening. Open the preferences, crank up the message prefs, and turn of auto open messages for all contacts. Make it open for only selected contacts. That will stop windows from popping up, and will keep them in the contact list, until you double click the contact to tell it to receive next message. (There's also a bug with receive next message, I've fixed for next preview... out today maybe.
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Targon:

BTW, Don't like squared looking buttons, what happened to the nice capsule ones? This is petty i know, but why the effort in creating different buttons when the original ones adhered to the guidelines an looked great?
<hr /></blockquote>Just a choice I made, They are indeed standard aqua widgets, not custom at all... THe are square beveled buttons, readily available in IB. I'll try the capsule ones and see how they work. But I didn't like the look of them in this context whe I tried the first time.
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Targon:

I did however like the default 2 line text entry field size of message windows ;-) Nice touch
<hr /></blockquote>Thanks! The huge input fields always bothered me

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Targon:

Command+W on a message window closes the Proteus contact list....not ideal. I may decide not to send a message and just want close the window. If i want to hide the contact list id do a Command+H for Hide Proteus.
<hr /></blockquote>You sure you're using 2.0 Preview? This was a bug before but is very much fixed now. Just tried it too.. seems to work
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Targon:

Small thing for most (i think u know im a bitch when it comes to my Techno Font) but, hard forced application font's f_ _ _ me off so badly. Pls developers use yer ugly assed crappy font Apple tells you to use but pls dont make it a hard coded font that Tinker Tool cant change. Anywayz sorry for crude language but my font looks dope as shiot, the other fonts used look like crap to me. Here's a pic
<hr /></blockquote>I snipped the pic out, but yeah.. They are very much standard system fonts, the label font to be exactly. Check out the Status Pref pane nib, they're indeed standard system fonts. YOu might want to see if Tinkertool or whatever method you're using to change the fonts can change other system fonts, other than the normal system font size.
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Targon:

I can't see, and don't expect a team of developers to change an app again to satisfy critical ppl like me, i'll just have to look for something else.
<hr /></blockquote>I do what I can, no team of devs behind this. Just me.
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Targon:

Cheers fer listening to my bitches

<hr /></blockquote>My pleasure.. Please drop me an email or a note in the forum, I'm more than happy to wok with you.

- Justin

crystalthunder · Jul 2, 2002, 11:54 AM

Why did I just waste 30 min of my life reading this thread? Ugh...

Mac Guru · Jul 2, 2002, 01:35 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Justin didn't expect **** -munchers like Mac Guru to try the app, find a bug, and trash the app in frustration. There's obviously a bug if the app is taking +10% CPU...but it's a public beta...
Use the 'public beta' like it should Mac Guru and run 'sample Proteus 5' at the command prompt in Terminal, send the file it creates to Justin so he can fix the problem instead of being a little baby about everything.
[Edit: actually, Justin probably did expect idiots like Mac Guru to treat the Public Beta build as a final build...<hr /></blockquote>Now who's being a little brat?

I am not treating this as a Final release, I KNOW it's a beta. As I've said many times, I've given Proteus a chance MANY times and I simply can't stand the app. I TRY and TRY to use it but it's just got too mauch fluff and eye candy to be useful. I am not trashing the application because I found a bug. I'm disliking it because I find it to be useless to me and I said that on many occasions "this is why I don't like it."

Before you sit there and bad mouth me, take into consideration that because we have the choice of IM clients then I can have an opinion. You don't seem to like the fact that people's opinions differ from yours and that is why I won't listen to your mindless endorsements.

Grow up boy.

Mac Guru

Guy Incognito · Jul 2, 2002, 01:40 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mac Guru:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr /> Justin didn't expect **** -munchers like Mac Guru to try the app, find a bug, and trash the app in frustration. There's obviously a bug if the app is taking +10% CPU...but it's a public beta...
Use the 'public beta' like it should Mac Guru and run 'sample Proteus 5' at the command prompt in Terminal, send the file it creates to Justin so he can fix the problem instead of being a little baby about everything.
[Edit: actually, Justin probably did expect idiots like Mac Guru to treat the Public Beta build as a final build...<hr /></blockquote>Now who's being a little brat?

I am not treating this as a Final release, I KNOW it's a beta. As I've said many times, I've given Proteus a chance MANY times and I simply can't stand the app. I TRY and TRY to use it but it's just got too mauch fluff and eye candy to be useful. I am not trashing the application because I found a bug. I'm disliking it because I find it to be useless to me and I said that on many occasions "this is why I don't like it."

Before you sit there and bad mouth me, take into consideration that because we have the choice of IM clients then I can have an opinion. You don't seem to like the fact that people's opinions differ from yours and that is why I won't listen to your mindless endorsements.

Grow up boy.

Mac Guru<hr /></blockquote>Should I read your post with a silly Texas accent? LOL!

foobars · Jul 2, 2002, 02:04 PM

I'm an Adium user. I used Proteus for about 20 minutes and switched back.

Here's why:

1) It was a pain to get to work. Like the older versions I had to restart Proteus about 5 times before AIM connected and another few times before my online buddies showed up. When they did the groups were gone. Now I'm willing to forget the multiple restarts to get it to work but not showing connection (connecting, downloading buddies, ect) status and not properly implementing groups is just poor user interface. This was a big problem with older versions of Proteus for me. When I changed my password and put in the wrong one there wasn't any clear indication that was the problem, the only error I got was connection failed. And I couldn't even see that without looking in a seperate window. You shouldn't be able to see buddies if you aren't online. Infact buddy window shouldn't be open if you're not signed on. A log in window comperable to Adium is critical.

2) It was slow. Not sure why drawing a window with a drawer is so slow for me but something about this program just feels massivley inefficent. Everything lagged.

3) Bad implementation of the AIM protocol. You can't make new away messages and you have to go all the way to preferences to change the ones that are there. Buddies status' weren't shown correctly. Auto-response away messages poped up in sheets (this REALLY ****ed me off). Profile info wasn't accessable. The file transfer button is active and Proteus tells other users that I am file-transfer capable, but of course this is an oscar client so that doesn't work. Also, lets get some robust logging in there, it's really not that hard. And then there's the retarded format of having a bar with the sn and time stamp. Ok it looks nice but if I want that style I'll go with iChat. It takes up way more space than nessicary and is pretty useless. I mean, if you turn of time stamps you have a nice bar above everything you say that just says "Me" in it. Pretty useless don't you think? Stick with the classic AIM design Any or all of these problems I've mentioned should be OPTIONS.

Now that said I think it's pretty obvious that Proteus is a poor AIM client. Now AIM is all I use so I can't speak for other services but I'm willing to bet thats how most people see it too. That being said I still think its got a ton of potential, most of which is already there just not as accessable as it is in other clients. The interface is great- I love it. The away message tags are fun and the ability to activate shell scripts and terminal commands is amazing. That just blew me away. I really, really want to switch to Proteus SO PLEASE MAKE IT EASIER TO USE.

CarbonG4 · Jul 2, 2002, 02:07 PM

I'm not real sure where this should be posted so I'm just gonna put it here since I'm too lazy to make an account w/ the Proteus boards.

This is a bug/lack-of-feature that has been bothering me for a long time with Proteus and I was hoping 2.0 would finally correct it but it did not...

<img src="http://mypage.siu.edu/bmuhlach/images/proteus_bug.jpg" alt=" - " />

You'll notice in the screenshot Adium 1.6 and Proteus 2.0 are side by side with virtually the same buddylist. However, "Bootleg" shows up as 'idle' on Adium (as he should) whereas he shows up as 'normal' on Proteus. Also, users who are both 'away' and 'idling' (Paul) are shown correctly in Adium, but displayed incorrectly as 'normal' in Proteus. If the user is just 'away' (like Jordan) they will be correctly represented in Proteus.

Now I was really liking the new Proteus interface and infact I'm still trying to use Proteus for a while longer, but this needs to be fixed. I'm not a developer but I don't see the dificulty in adding the ability of having AIM (I don't use any other services so I don't know how/if it affects any other services that Proteus supports) check for the Idle Time of users and report it in the buddylist. For a shareware IM client one would expect as full compatibility as possible, neither Adium nor Fire have this Status issue.

Anyway, keep up the great work... Proteus is by far the most beautiful client out there, but it just needs some fine tuning w/ the services now (mainly AIM as far as I'm concerned).

Later
-Carbon

[ 07-02-2002, 02:10 PM: Message edited by: CarbonG4 ]

Justin Wood · Jul 2, 2002, 03:28 PM

CarbonG4

Thanks very much for the very well explained post! I think I have nailed this bug down once and for all. All things being equal, I expect to release another preview release tonight, but I would like to get the MSN problems nailed down first.

That said, feel free to contact me (aim: terafin) and I can set you up with a new version, to see if that fixes your problems.

This one should fix the problems with having to restart/relogin to have aim contacts show up and many more, all of them actually.. seemed to stem down to a few lines of code, or so I hope!

I'll be out for the afternoon, but do drop me a line, I'm very eager to get this cleaned up once and for all.

Thanks,

- Justin

Edit: Actually, I'll work on Idle support too. Right now it just isn't present, the history of this dates back to this starting as an ICQ client, which does not support the idle state. Enough services support this that it -should- actually be in there. I just not got around to it. I'll try and have that sorted tonight as well. I'll see if I can pull idle time in there too!

[ 07-02-2002, 03:36 PM: Message edited by: Justin Wood ]

Sine · Jul 2, 2002, 04:31 PM

3rd day of trying to get Proteus to work. No luck. Can't even get it to remember my account information yet.

You sure this isn't a dev build?

Guy Incognito · Jul 2, 2002, 05:15 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sine:
3rd day of trying to get Proteus to work. No luck. Can't even get it to remember my account information yet.

You sure this isn't a dev build?<hr /></blockquote>Instead of a 'it doesn't work' comment, give us a step by step explanation of what's going on?

Do you still have your .protconf file? If you do, open the bundle file and open some of the .plist files to check if your account info is still there or if it's a brand new .protconf file.

If your info is still there you should be able to open it through Proteus.

[ 07-02-2002, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: Guy Incognito ]

superfula · Jul 2, 2002, 05:50 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Guy Incognito:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by superfula:
Well I tried it, didn't like it...back to Adium and MSN.

Had the same problem as dazzla. MSN signed in a few minutes after aim and wouldn't stay connected.

Speed speed speed. An im program should not be a system hog. Proteus is. I have a dual 800 and I can tell the difference when proteus and is not running. An im client should leave a small footprint

For a multi-im program, it isn't very multi-im. It needs to have the aim only or msn only or isq only features. Custom away messages... profiles... for AIM..."'Username' is typing a message" deal for MSN etc. They are an important part of AIM. Without those, I won't use Proteus. Fire you can at least personalize your away messages. As far as I'm concerned, Adium/MSN client is tops....Fire is a close number two....and proteus still lagging behind.

The gui isn't very intuitive. I need more options!!!

I could care less about drawers or tabs. Take the drawers out and stick some other options that are worth while in.
<hr /></blockquote>Are you sure you're using Proteus? MSN has the 'user is typing' feature...you can personalize your away messages. Proteus offers the most GUI options of any IM client. And does all this and much, much more without going over 4% CPU.<hr /></blockquote>I don't call having to change my away message everytime personalizing. Say for instance i want to go eat. In Adium I go down my away message list, click the "food" one...and bam. Or if I am sleeping, do that. But with Proteus, i have to go into preferences everytime and change it to something else. Proteus should have custom away messages that are saved. Thats personal away messages.

Actually I'd say proteus offers very little gui options. Have you used Adium? The amount of options it has is enormous. 4% cpu? And this is what dream world you are living in? Try closer to 15%