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Hobbes · Jun 27, 2002, 11:34 AM

Apple must realize how crappy 10.1.5 is if they have to keep releasing updates to fix problems that 10.1.5 has created. I wonder if we'll get one of these updates for every model, ie iBook Update, PowerBook Update, etc?

Here's the link...

<a href="http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=15333&db=macosx" target="_blank"> Apple iMac Update for Mac OS X - 1.0</a>

[ 06-27-2002, 11:36 AM: Message edited by: Hobbes ]

surfacto · Jun 27, 2002, 11:42 AM

This is weird. It's called the iMac update, but under hardware it says "all mac OS X compatible computers", and there is no info specific to the iMac in the description. To download or not to download?

edit: Ok, I won't do it since it says only for build 5T91 and I've got 5S66. Still confused though.

[ 06-27-2002, 11:45 AM: Message edited by: surfacto ]

hew · Jun 27, 2002, 11:53 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Hobbes:
Apple must realize how crappy 10.1.5 is if they have to keep releasing updates to fix problems that 10.1.5 has created. I wonder if we'll get one of these updates for every model, ie iBook Update, PowerBook Update, etc?

Here's the link...

<a href="http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=15333&db=macosx" target="_blank"> Apple iMac Update for Mac OS X - 1.0</a><hr /></blockquote>I don't know if they changed anything, but it looks like it requires an iMac running 10.1.5 Build #5T91. I'm guessing this is for the new iMacs that have factory installs still on them. Still, they should have made it clearer if you ask me.

SMacTech · Jun 27, 2002, 12:07 PM

The title says for iMacs and running 10.1.5 build 5T91 in the description. Apple is never very verbose <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

KidRed · Jun 27, 2002, 12:25 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Hobbes:
Apple must realize how crappy 10.1.5 is if they have to keep releasing updates to fix problems that 10.1.5 has created. I wonder if we'll get one of these updates for every model, ie iBook Update, PowerBook Update, etc?

Here's the link...

<a href="http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=15333&db=macosx" target="_blank"> Apple iMac Update for Mac OS X - 1.0</a><hr /></blockquote>Ok, you cite the fact that 10.1.5 is crap and Apple knows this because it has released multiple updates to fix 10.1.5. Ok, mmm, whre are they? I've seen no updates for 10.1.5 other then the vague one mentioned which only applies to a select # of iMac owners. So how does this equal that 10.1.5 sucks? Where are the "updates" that Apple is releasing because they "know 10.1.5 is crap"?

If you have a whine, then whine about the problem or pose a question that maybe someone here can help solve. There's no benefit to anyone with these leftfield brain dead topics that are blantly misrepresenting the majority. I've only seen a few topics even complaining about 1-2 issues with 10.1.5.

Norm1985 · Jun 27, 2002, 12:27 PM

Well, actually... There was the Networking Update to fix problems 10.1.5 caused, although it didn't seem to fix every persons including mine. And then the Applescript update...

[ 06-27-2002, 01:32 PM: Message edited by: Norm1985 ]

Drizzt · Jun 27, 2002, 12:32 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Norm1985:
Well, actually... There was the Networking Update to fix problems 10.1.5 caused, although it didn't seem to fix every persons including mine. And then the Javascript update...<hr /></blockquote>JavaScript update.. I haven't seen that one...

But for AppleScript.. well.. I don't think it shows that "MacOS X 10.1.5 is crappy" since MacOS 9 got that update also..

They brought bug fixes.. but it has nothing to do with 10.1.5...

Hobbes · Jun 27, 2002, 12:58 PM

KidRed...

First of all, I'm no "whiner". Just look at some of my other posts and you'll see that I hardly ever complain. In fact, I often defend issues that others complain about.

Second, if you've only seen a couple of issues posted about 10.1.5, then you need to catch up on some reading. I don't think there's been another update that has caused as many problems, or resulted in more complaints than 10.1.5. Just look around these forums, or MacFixIt's, or even Apple's own Discussion Boards. You'll see post after post of people having numerous Kernal Panics, networking problems, and an assortment of other problems, some so bad that a large number of people have gone back to 10.1.4.

Third, Apple has, at least on three occasions, addressed the issues that 10.1.5 has caused. A couple of weeks ago, they posted a KnowledgeBase article about removing some Energy Saver plist file to help users experience Network problems after upgrading to 10.1.5. Then they released the Network Updateing Utility 1.0 via Software Update, also to address network problems. And now, they're releasing the iMac Update that also address those problems.

So tell me, do you remember Apple releasing this many update utilities for any previous X update? If you answer "No", then what does that tell you? That while most X updates are awesome, 10.1.5 has at least some tendancy to be a "lemon"...

... hence the description "crappy".

[ 06-27-2002, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: Hobbes ]

KidRed · Jun 27, 2002, 02:23 PM

There are no more issues with 10.1.5 then there has been with any other update. I personally have no issues on 3 machines. I visit these boarsd quite frequently and as I stated only see a handful of issues which is, like i stated also, is no more then usual when an update is released. So to me it's not crappy.

My point was to say that your topic did not state that the update was crappy to you because of xxx issues, you stated no personal issues at all. The only thing you said was-
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Apple must realize how crappy 10.1.5 is if they have to keep releasing updates to fix problems that 10.1.5 has created. I wonder if we'll get one of these updates for every model, ie iBook Update, PowerBook Update, etc?<hr /></blockquote>Again I ask- where are all the updates? That would be 10.1.5a or 10.1.6 or ways to fix issues etc. I'm not saying that 10.1.5 was flawless for everyone, but if you are going to rip an update please site personal experience or provide a little more evidence to support your statement so we all can have an intelligent discussion

Toyin · Jun 27, 2002, 04:38 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KidRed:
There are no more issues with 10.1.5 then there has been with any other update. I personally have no issues on 3 machines. I visit these boarsd quite frequently and as I stated only see a handful of issues which is, like i stated also, is no more then usual when an update is released. So to me it's not crappy.

My point was to say that your topic did not state that the update was crappy to you because of xxx issues, you stated no personal issues at all. The only thing you said was-
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Apple must realize how crappy 10.1.5 is if they have to keep releasing updates to fix problems that 10.1.5 has created. I wonder if we'll get one of these updates for every model, ie iBook Update, PowerBook Update, etc?<hr /></blockquote>Again I ask- where are all the updates? That would be 10.1.5a or 10.1.6 or ways to fix issues etc. I'm not saying that 10.1.5 was flawless for everyone, but if you are going to rip an update please site personal experience or provide a little more evidence to support your statement so we all can have an intelligent discussion

<hr /></blockquote>I've been using OSX on my Dual 500 since the public beta and this is the worst update yet. Every update has improved speed, features, and most importantly stability. 10.0.4 never crashed or froze on my machine. 10.1.4 never crashed or froze on me. Before the network update 10.1.5 forced me to do a hard reset twice (applications failed to launch after waking from sleep). iMovie became very cranky and applications unexpectedly quit more frequently. So in my book it's a step backwards. Does that make it a crappy update? In some peoples book maybe. I'm greatful for the new font aa in carbon apps, so at least 10.1.5 gives us something over 10.1.4, but stability and confidence on my setup have suffered.

To be fair some of the other issues that I'm having had to do with Quicktime 6.

undotwa · Jun 27, 2002, 06:00 PM

10.15 while not terrible, is quite buggy on my iMac.

SMacTech · Jun 27, 2002, 06:06 PM

And no other OS has updates, eh ?

Hobbes · Jun 27, 2002, 06:55 PM

To be fair, "crappy" is a very relative term. Is 10.1.5 crappy compared to Windoze? HECK NO! I'll take 10.1.5 any day over any other OS in the world, even the Classic Mac. AA in 10.1.5 is also a VERY welcome improvement.

But, at the same time, 10.1.5 is by no means one of the best X updates as far as stability goes. I personally experienced my first hard crash in months as a direct result of 10.1.5. I have friends who can no longer sync their Palms as a direct result of 10.1.5 (although I've had no problems). And as I stated before, although its calmed down in the last week or so, virtually every discussion board currently running initially had quite a few posts concerning people who were having, not one, not two, but numerous Kernel Panics because of 10.1.5.

So, no, 10.1.5 isn't all bad. I certainly didn't mean for it to come across like that (poor wording on my part . But at the same time, it does seem to create more problems than most previous updates have in the past.

I was simply pointing out that this appears to be the third time in a couple weeks that Apple has posted something to fix issues that 10.1.5 created.

[ 06-27-2002, 06:56 PM: Message edited by: Hobbes ]

poppa kristof · Jun 27, 2002, 07:03 PM

How does one encourage an upgrade to the next realease?

Break something in the latest build.

jock · Jun 28, 2002, 12:25 AM

Although I have not had any network issues with all 3 macs that I have, I hhave however noticed that the frame rates in itunes is slower after updating to 10.1.5. I used to get 14 on thousands full screen on my sawtooth but now it has dropped to 11. On my g4imac and titanium there has been no difference. naybody else experiance this?

Cipher13 · Jun 28, 2002, 11:31 AM

The iMac and the G4 are both noticably slower under 10.1.5 than they were under 10.1.4.

It also takes longer to log in, out, and so on. They beachball much more often.

As long as that update isn't a firmware update, I'll give it a go on the iMac. Can't really make things any worse...