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Aug 26, 2004, 05:01 PM
 
Scary


Police found a large stash of weapons and explosives yesterday after an investigation of a suspicious minivan tied up traffic through downtown streets for several hours.

Montreal police sent in a robot to examine several pieces of luggage after SWAT team members in full protective gear investigated the vehicle.

They seized about 15 firearms, including automatic weapons like machine guns, and also found 90-135 kilograms of explosives.

"The only good news is that the explosives and the detonators were not connected so it could not explode," said police spokesman Miguel Alston.

Police couldn't say what type of explosives were involved, or who they belonged to. "We cannot confirm any organization at this point," said Alston.

Police had been warned about the vehicle carrying commercial Quebec licence plates from a source, but didn't receive a call through 911
     
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Aug 26, 2004, 05:07 PM
 


Business as usual in North America.
So what's the news ?

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Aug 26, 2004, 05:08 PM
 
Originally posted by turtle777:


Business as usual in North America.
So what's the news ?

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Funny and true.
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Aug 26, 2004, 05:12 PM
 
Originally posted by turtle777:


Business as usual in North America.
So what's the news ?

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No not business as usual. At least I hope not in Canada.
     
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Aug 26, 2004, 05:16 PM
 
That's just your average militia member round these here parts.

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Aug 26, 2004, 05:17 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
No not business as usual. At least I hope not in Canada.
Maybe that's the ONLY thing that is scary.
Who know's what those Canadians were up to !

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Aug 26, 2004, 05:22 PM
 
The good news is that our law enforcement is continuing to be successful in catching this type of crime.

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Aug 26, 2004, 05:22 PM
 
Originally posted by turtle777:


Business as usual in North America.
So what's the news ?

-t
Wrong.

Not in Canada,

and especially not in Quebec.

This is new and it does scare me. First reaction around me is: "How come? This is not America!"
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Aug 26, 2004, 05:25 PM
 
It's well known that terrorists come through Canada to the united states... so who knows what the target was. I'm glad they got them early as I would bet they thought they would have more time to cover their tracks.
     
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Aug 26, 2004, 05:28 PM
 
Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
It's well known that terrorists come through Canada to the united states... so who knows what the target was. I'm glad they got them early as I would bet they thought they would have more time to cover their tracks.
Can you prove they ALL came through Canada?

There is a difference between "well known" (rumors and gossip) and "well known" (statistical data).
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Aug 26, 2004, 05:33 PM
 
Originally posted by angaq0k:
Can you prove they ALL came through Canada?
IIRC, a couple of them were taking flying lessons in Florida long before the attacks...
     
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Aug 26, 2004, 05:35 PM
 
Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
IIRC, a couple of them were taking flying lessons in Florida long before the attacks...
E x a c t l y .
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Aug 26, 2004, 05:37 PM
 
as my woman's cousin is a border patrol office here in detroit, i know from his stats that a day doesn't go by they don't bust someone for illegal arms/explosives. now, before everyone thinks the sky is falling...

most are not of the type in the above article and don't warrant coverage. thinks like a single gun or fireworks. however, busts of known smuglers and terrorists happen often, more than what makes the news. this is first hand knowledge passed to me and the woman. take it for what it is worth.

but what is good is, they are catching them.

also of note...

the amount has not increased since 9/11. there is a monthly average they catch...and it has neither increased/decreased significantly in the past 15 years.
     
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Aug 26, 2004, 06:11 PM
 
Originally posted by angaq0k:
Wrong.

Not in Canada,

and especially not in Quebec.

That is what I figured as well

This is new and it does scare me. First reaction around me is: "How come? This is not America!"
Ah, I can see Michael Moore making a new movie soon...
     
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Aug 26, 2004, 06:14 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:

That is what I figured as well


Ah, I can see Michael Moore making a new movie soon... [/B]
Watch Canadian news,

then watch American news.

Compare.
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Aug 26, 2004, 06:18 PM
 
Originally posted by angaq0k:
Watch Canadian news,

then watch American news.

Compare.
Yeah one network says "Eh" a lot.
     
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Aug 26, 2004, 06:18 PM
 
montreal is well known for it's organized crime which often turns to turf wars.

there are all the underworld peeps as anywhere in north america. the asian gangs, the

'mafia' etc.

the biggest groups doing battle for the last decade have been the 'biker gangs'.

'hell's angel's' have been battling the rival 'the rock machine' for control of illegal and

legal stuffs in quebec and ontario. hits are not uncommon including car bombings

and such. these are not your pussy american biker gangs. these guys are cold killers

and news reporters and police have been targets.

also the biggest mafia boss in montreal was just buried so i suspect these

are the connections with this van and not bin laden.
     
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Aug 26, 2004, 06:19 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
Yeah one network says "Eh" a lot.
     
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Aug 26, 2004, 06:22 PM
 
Originally posted by angaq0k:
Wrong.

Not in Canada,

and especially not in Quebec.
bullshift!

especially in quebec.

a corrupt and violent a place as any you'll find in the states.



ps: politicians from quebec are all crooks!
     
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Aug 26, 2004, 06:25 PM
 
Originally posted by quandarry:
bullshift!

especially in quebec.

a corrupt and violent a place as any you'll find in the states.
It can't be!
     
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Aug 26, 2004, 06:40 PM
 
Originally posted by quandarry:
bullshift!

especially in quebec.

a corrupt and violent a place as any you'll find in the states.



ps: politicians from quebec are all crooks!
Thank you for your provocative jibe. I won't bite.
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Aug 26, 2004, 07:50 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
Is it just me or did you just insult yourself?
     
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Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Is it just me or did you just insult yourself?
     
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Aug 26, 2004, 07:57 PM
 
This is not that uncommon. Illegal weapons crop up everywhere. We have a lot of gangs all over canada and the police haven't been able to stem them. Plus all their subsidiaries and street gangs. So its not exactly shocking that there are a lot of busts of weapons, explosives, and drugs.
     
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Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
This is not that uncommon. Illegal weapons crop up everywhere. We have a lot of gangs all over canada and the police haven't been able to stem them. Plus all their subsidiaries and street gangs. So its not exactly shocking that there are a lot of busts of weapons, explosives, and drugs.
I agree with you TheBadgerHunter.

The issue I raised was from a report I got (which I cannot find anymore) that said that it was the biggest take of weapons in Montreal. As many reporters reports, the early ones are always more dramatic and exagerated ( we saw that in a hostage situation downtown Toronto yesterday where they announced that one woman had been shot dead, which was found to be erroneous).

Of course there is organized crime in Montreal. It has been so for the last hundred years. Of course the Biker gangs have a lot of fun in that province. There is no denying that! And drugs and weapons are there for the trading. Some First Nations groups are involved and it is possible that the network of casinos may be under relative control of those gangs.

It is also clear that some politicians were involved in funny deals.

But that is true for the whole country. Quebec is not pure, and neither is the rest of Canada.
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Aug 26, 2004, 08:16 PM
 
Originally posted by angaq0k:

But that is true for the whole country. Quebec is not pure, and neither is the rest of Canada.
Nor is any place else on this planet.
     
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Aug 26, 2004, 09:23 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
Nor is any place else on this planet.
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Aug 27, 2004, 12:20 AM
 
Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
IIRC, a couple of them were taking flying lessons in Florida long before the attacks...
Florida in Canada ?

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Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Is it just me or did you just insult yourself?
Latest +1 technique...

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Originally posted by residentEvil:
as my woman's cousin is a border patrol office here in detroit...
tell him I apologize for all the s*** my friends put him through when we were 19-20.
     
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Originally posted by rozwado1:
tell him I apologize for all the s*** my friends put him through when we were 19-20.
So you did IT as well ?

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Aug 27, 2004, 07:35 AM
 
Originally posted by turtle777:
So you did IT as well ?

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"it"?
     
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Originally posted by rozwado1:
tell him I apologize for all the s*** my friends put him through when we were 19-20.
...or the **** we still put him threw, and we are in our 30s! hahaha
     
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Aug 27, 2004, 09:49 AM
 
Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
"it"?
Should have posted the crossreference.

Keyword: sh!t...

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=225812

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Aug 27, 2004, 07:36 PM
 
Originally posted by angaq0k:
Can you prove they ALL came through Canada?
Check out this one: Montreal man downed US Plane
A captured al-Qaeda operative has told Canadian intelligence investigators that a Montreal man who trained in Afghanistan alongside the 9/11 hijackers was responsible for the crash of an American Airlines flight in New York three years ago.

Canadian Security Intelligence Service agents were told during five days of interviews with the source that Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen also known as Farouk the Tunisian, had downed the plane with explosives on Nov. 12, 2001.

The source claimed Jdey had used his Canadian passport to board Flight 587 and "conducted a suicide mission" with a small bomb similar to the one used by convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid
This plane went down shortly after 9/11, but US officials "claimed" the plane's tail fell off.
     
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Originally posted by spacefreak:
Check out this one: Montreal man downed US Plane
This plane went down shortly after 9/11, but US officials "claimed" the plane's tail fell off.
That may be one.

Give up the others.


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