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lngtones · Jul 15, 2002, 02:10 AM

Ok, I know this is a who cares type question, but why do developrs put the Services menu in their App menu when Carbon apps can't access it?

I mean, iPhoto doesn't have the menu and it's a Cocoa app!

Are they planning ahead, lazy, stupid?

BTP · Jul 15, 2002, 02:51 AM

I don't know if the service menu is there in the API as a default (or the like)or not, but regardless, Jaguar brings services to Carbon and Cocoa apps alike. So those developers that have not ported their apps to Cocoa now don't have to, at least not to have the services available in their Carbon apps.

deharlow · Jul 15, 2002, 03:11 AM

FileMaker 6 supports services under 10.1.5, it is up to the developer to properly program for services to work. All apps get the menu by default though.

Daniel

Developer · Jul 15, 2002, 06:43 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lngtones:

Ok, I know this is a who cares type question, but why do developrs put the Services menu in their App menu when Carbon apps can't access it?

I mean, iPhoto doesn't have the menu and it's a Cocoa app!

Are they planning ahead, lazy, stupid?<hr /></blockquote>Carbon apps can access Services.

Developers don't put a Services menu in their app menu, the OS does. I don't know how iPhoto removes it (maybe that qualifies me as stupid). It's probably some undocumented way.

Actually I don't understand [i]why[/] iPhoto removes the Services menu. It could be used on the edit texts at least and would be nice for things like PixeNHance.

pat++ · Jul 15, 2002, 08:21 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Developer:
Carbon apps can access Services.
<hr /></blockquote>NO. They can't. At least for now. (even in build 6C87).

cwasko · Jul 15, 2002, 08:27 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by pat++:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Developer:
Carbon apps can access Services.
<hr /></blockquote>NO. They can't. At least for now. (even in build 6C87).<hr /></blockquote>Uh, YES they can...

I'm running 10.1.5 and have BBEdit 6.5 and I can access the Services menu just fine in BBEdit.

davidmd · Jul 15, 2002, 09:01 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by cwasko:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by pat++:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Developer:
Carbon apps can access Services.
<hr /></blockquote>NO. They can't. At least for now. (even in build 6C87).<hr /></blockquote>Uh, YES they can...

I'm running 10.1.5 and have BBEdit 6.5 and I can access the Services menu just fine in BBEdit.<hr /></blockquote>I think he means it's not universal. It's not available automatically to ALL Carbon apps like is is to ALL Cocoa apps, unless specifically programmed in.

cwasko · Jul 15, 2002, 09:14 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by davidmd:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by cwasko:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by pat++:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Developer:
Carbon apps can access Services.
<hr /></blockquote>NO. They can't. At least for now. (even in build 6C87).<hr /></blockquote>Uh, YES they can...

I'm running 10.1.5 and have BBEdit 6.5 and I can access the Services menu just fine in BBEdit.<hr /></blockquote>I think he means it's not universal. It's not available automatically to ALL Carbon apps like is is to ALL Cocoa apps, unless specifically programmed in.<hr /></blockquote>Well, that is one of the core differences between Carbon and Cocoa. There are many items that come for 'free' in Cocoa that have to be created in Carbon. But, the point still remains, Carbon apps *can* use services. The developer just has to make it so.

OT a little, but I think BBEdit is the 'model' carbon app. It pretty much displays that Carbon and Cocoa apps can be of the same quality. It has been carbon for over a year now and has always run smoothly and took advantage of what was out at the time. I can't wait to see what the next version is like.

Chuckit · Jul 15, 2002, 09:22 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by davidmd:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by cwasko:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by pat++:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Developer:
Carbon apps can access Services.
<hr /></blockquote>NO. They can't. At least for now. (even in build 6C87).<hr /></blockquote>Uh, YES they can...

I'm running 10.1.5 and have BBEdit 6.5 and I can access the Services menu just fine in BBEdit.<hr /></blockquote>I think he means it's not universal. It's not available automatically to ALL Carbon apps like is is to ALL Cocoa apps, unless specifically programmed in.<hr /></blockquote>Unless I'm missing something very blatant, Cocoa apps have to code for Services support too.

JKT · Jul 15, 2002, 09:36 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Chuckit:
Unless I'm missing something very blatant, Cocoa apps have to code for Services support too.<hr /></blockquote>Don't think so - they get Services automatically AFAIK, but they do need to be coded to offer a Service themselves.

Musti · Jul 15, 2002, 11:51 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Developer:
Carbon apps can access Services.

Developers don't put a Services menu in their app menu, the OS does. <hr /></blockquote>where? and how to delete them?
For some reason, under Finder-->Services I have a Quake3 menu, with options "Connect to server" and "Perform Command". How can I delete them? Or any other services menu, for that matter?

Thank you for any insight,
Peace,

Musti.

moonmonkey · Jul 16, 2002, 04:11 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Musti:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Developer:
Carbon apps can access Services.

Developers don't put a Services menu in their app menu, the OS does. <hr /></blockquote>where? and how to delete them?
For some reason, under Finder-->Services I have a Quake3 menu, with options "Connect to server" and "Perform Command". How can I delete them? Or any other services menu, for that matter?

Thank you for any insight,
Peace,

Musti.<hr /></blockquote>Yes, I need to know this

,will Jag have a gui for doing this?

Ibson · Jul 16, 2002, 04:41 AM

To remove an app's services, control-click on the apps icon, click "Show Package Contents". Open Contents, then open Info.plist in TextEdit (drag it on its icon in the dock). Press Command-F, type "NSServices" (without the quotes) then click "Next". Change text like this:
<blockquote>code:<hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;"> <key>NSServices</key>
<array>
...
</array></pre><hr /></blockquote>to:
<blockquote>code:<hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;"></pre><hr /></blockquote>Logout, then log in again, and the service will be gone.