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Nov 21, 2020, 10:06 PM
 
Rep. Mike King has filed suit to have all mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania disqualified. Claims the law expanding mail-in voting is unconstitutional.
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Nov 21, 2020, 10:22 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
I do try to say it correctly, but have always been irked the correct way implies the Democrats have a monopoly on democracy.
Conversely, calling it the Democrat (sans “ic”) Party, beyond being grammatically wrong, is used as a rib. Having “democratic” or some other positive adjective in the name of parties isn’t exactly something new. Do Republicans have a monopoly on the republic? Do Libertarians have a monopoly on liberty? I don’t think I have heard any self-professed Democrat complain about either.
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Nov 21, 2020, 11:05 PM
 
I cannot think of a single instance in my life of someone using the word “republican” or “libertarian” to refer to anything other than the respective parties.

This is not the case with “democratic”.



Edit: I guess I’ve heard of “Republican Rome” to contrast with “Imperial Rome”, but I wouldn’t say that’s something I hear commonly, and it always has the word “Rome” after it.

As an aside, Republican Rome is way more interesting than Imperial Rome, but it totally gets the short shrift.

Suetonius is good times, though.
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Nov 22, 2020, 12:55 AM
 
You have never heard things like “the United States is a republic and not a democracy?” I find that hard to believe.
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Nov 22, 2020, 01:03 AM
 
I said “republican”, not “republic”.
     
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Nov 22, 2020, 01:47 AM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
I said “republican”, not “republic”.
A noun is as good as an adjective in this context.
Besides, it is very easy to come up with plenty of other examples that go in the same direction: do patriots have to vote for the PATRIOT Act, for example? If you were against the “No-child-left-behind Act”, did you want to leave children behind (in the context of education or otherwise)? People come with names for things and organizations that have positive connotations.

PS I have never heard of Republican Rome, just of the Roman Republic
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Nov 22, 2020, 02:48 AM
 
Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
I have never heard of Republican Rome
Now you have!

Which speaks to my point, “republican” doesn’t really get used for anything except the party. This is not the case with “democratic”.

I also consider “PATRIOT” and “No Child Left Behind” to be very poor descriptors of the legislation so named, and yes, I think both names are meant to imply people against the legislation don’t support those things. They’re propaganda names.
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Nov 22, 2020, 04:14 AM
 
Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
Rep. Mike King has filed suit to have all mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania disqualified. Claims the law expanding mail-in voting is unconstitutional.
Almost zero chance. Hail Mary, full of grace.
     
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Nov 22, 2020, 08:43 AM
 
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Almost zero chance. Hail Mary, full of grace.
Do you not find the fact they try stuff like this utterly abhorrent?
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Nov 22, 2020, 02:24 PM
 
I’m not a huge fan of it, but that’s how politics is usually played.

If it’s contestable, contest it. Throw everything at the wall and see if it sticks.

A common tactic here in Chicago is to contest petition signatures and get a candidate thrown off the ballot.

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Nov 22, 2020, 03:14 PM
 
Theres fouling your opponents, then theres attacking the spectators.
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Nov 22, 2020, 03:27 PM
 
Maybe I’m misunderstanding the analogy, but the example I gave seems like attacking the spectators.
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Nov 22, 2020, 11:38 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
I’m not a huge fan of it, but that’s how politics is usually played.
I think what is going on now is unprecedented and not “how politics is usually played.”
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Nov 23, 2020, 08:53 AM
 
Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
I think what is going on now is unprecedented and not “how politics is usually played.”
Unprecedented in the United States.

The systematic elimination of electoral results not to the liking of the regime is not at all unprecedented in other nations that descended into autocracy.
     
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Nov 23, 2020, 03:25 PM
 
Broke autocrat: challenges votes in court and loses.

Woke autocrat: challenges votes in court and wins through bribes and intimidation.

Bespoke autocrat: fixes the election.
     
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Nov 23, 2020, 09:09 PM
 
Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
Unprecedented in the United States.

The systematic elimination of electoral results not to the liking of the regime is not at all unprecedented in other nations that descended into autocracy.
Sure. Although I was speaking within the context of the US.
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Nov 24, 2020, 06:41 AM
 
Yes. But I felt it was worth pointing out, because I’m not sure many Americans aware of what we see apparently happening from the outside (like sitting in slowly boiling water).
     
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Maybe I’m misunderstanding the analogy, but the example I gave seems like attacking the spectators.
You think that subliminally staking a claim to owning democracy is a worse attack on the people than disenfranchising hundreds of thousands to steal an election?

Are you ok?
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Nov 24, 2020, 12:38 PM
 
The example I gave was challenging petition signatures to get a candidate thrown off the ballot.
     
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Nov 24, 2020, 12:44 PM
 
Right now in Georgia they are throwing people off the voter roll who were registered and successfully voted nov 3, and requiring vehicle registration in order to get back on.

     
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Nov 24, 2020, 01:18 PM
 
That’s bad (and illegal) if it’s happening, but reports it’s happening seem short on evidence so far.
     
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Nov 24, 2020, 01:40 PM
 
https://twitter.com/JakeLobin/status...48716483694593

the official line is that of course this isn't happening, legally it can't... but yet... smoke/fire.

https://www.11alive.com/article/news...5-4d10d7ab45e7

Yet this article shows the 3 rules they wanted to add, and which presumably were voted in:
https://www.wjcl.com/article/georgia...unoff/34752828

dropbox surveilance: fine
absentee processing time reduced: hmm
review evidence of residency: not everyone who is a resident has a car to register...

Could I move to Georgia now, register to vote, vote in january, then move back home?

NH has a similar issue with students, they don't reregister their cars when they come to campus but they get NH drivers licenses. Some don't want them to vote in NH despite living there 8 months of the year.
     
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Nov 24, 2020, 03:04 PM
 
The third rule was scrapped because that rule apparently already exists, and IIUC, it has to do with new registrations, not existing ones.

If voters are getting purged, let’s see affidavits. Some rando on Twitter is scant evidence.
     
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Nov 24, 2020, 06:49 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
The example I gave was challenging petition signatures to get a candidate thrown off the ballot.
My mistake sorry. I'm not exactly sure how that example works and where it applies tbh.
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
https://twitter.com/JakeLobin/status...48716483694593

the official line is that of course this isn't happening, legally it can't... but yet... smoke/fire.
„Where there‘s smoke, there‘s fire“ has ceased to have any meaning at all in the age of Breitbart and QAnon.

Chrissakes, there are collages of press photographs of random celebrities, simply alleging that they are pedophiles, and similar collages of Joe Biden kissing HIS GRANDCHILDREN, alleging the same.

No, smoke no longer indicates fires. In fact, it’s good cause to be looking for mirrors, instead.
     
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