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The threat from the North must be held back, apparently???

     
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These trade wars, ignoring agreements, and sanctions are going to backfire. The EU is a bigger economy than the USA. If they can pull together, they're in a good position to sanction the US back.

China and Japan are a step down, but still quite big. If Trump isn't careful, he will be trying to sanction over half the world economy. I'm pretty sure the US would lose such a fight, most likely with a new recession kicking in. And nuisance shortages.
     
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Jun 1, 2018, 09:31 PM
 
Putin must be laughing his ass off. We're throwing tariffs at our closest allies while relaxing them against a foreign spy firms like ZTE.

Trump seems to think that if our allies are happy we must be getting screwed and if our foes butter him up, then he's willing to give them a pass.
     
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Jun 2, 2018, 02:15 AM
 
A quote from Ambassador Londo Molari comes to mind:
Originally Posted by Londo Mollari
Only an idiot fights a war on to fronts. Only the heir to the throne of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on 12 fronts.
Trump seems intent to start a trade war with everyone at the same time. Working with allies to, say, strong arm China into making concessions is one thing. But what trading block is left that Trump isn’t targeting?
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Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
But what trading block is left that Trump isn’t targeting?
I don’t think he’s hit India. Yet.
     
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Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
I don’t think he’s hit India. Yet.
Please don't give him any ideas.
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Jun 6, 2018, 12:34 AM
 
It is rumored that China dumps its steel onto Canada for cheap because of free trade agreement between those countries... Canadian steel then gets dumped into the US... If you dont like Chinese steel or other commodities being sold for really cheap in the US, and if you want tariffs against China, then its logical to look at tariffs against Canada.
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Jun 6, 2018, 07:24 AM
 
You don't level tariffs against friends and allies based on rumors.
     
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Jun 6, 2018, 09:33 AM
 
Originally Posted by TheWOAT View Post
It is rumored that China dumps its steel onto Canada for cheap because of free trade agreement between those countries... Canadian steel then gets dumped into the US... If you dont like Chinese steel or other commodities being sold for really cheap in the US, and if you want tariffs against China, then its logical to look at tariffs against Canada.
Are you saying that they import processed, finished steel, pull off the "Hecho in China" sticker and slap on a "Fabriqué au Canada" sticker and resell it?
     
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Jun 6, 2018, 01:47 PM
 
Originally Posted by TheWOAT View Post
if you want tariffs against China, then its logical to look at tariffs against Canada.
We're a little past 'looking at' here.
     
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Former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is widely reported to have said that Trump is a "f*cking moron". Is there anyone left who truly doubts his assessment?

President Donald Trump and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau had a testy phone call on May 25 over new tariffs imposed by the Trump administration targeting steel and aluminum imports coming from Canada, including one moment during the conversation in which Trump made an erroneous historical reference, sources familiar with the discussion told CNN.

According to the sources, Trudeau pressed Trump on how he could justify the tariffs as a "national security" issue. In response, Trump quipped to Trudeau, "Didn't you guys burn down the White House?" referring to the War of 1812.

The problem with Trump's comments to Trudeau is that British troops burned down the White House during the War of 1812.
Historians note the British attack on Washington was in retaliation for the American attack on York, Ontario, in territory that eventually became Canada, which was then a British colony.
Exclusive: Trump invokes War of 1812 in testy call with Trudeau over tariffs | CNN

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i grow tired of typing WTF

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Jun 6, 2018, 10:04 PM
 
Here’s my translation of Trump’s remark.

“Hey, asshole... I don’t gotta justify jack shit.”

The history element is rhetorical.
     
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Jun 6, 2018, 10:50 PM
 
Yes, we know trump is an asshole. That still, yet again, doesn't make it acceptable, right, normal, diplomatic, polite, etc.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
Here’s my translation of Trump’s remark.

“Hey, asshole... I don’t gotta justify jack shit.”

The history element is rhetorical.
Or one can go with the alternative interpretation which is that Rex
Tillerson was spot on when he was widely reported to have said that Trump is a “f*cking moron”.

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Jun 7, 2018, 03:59 AM
 
Originally Posted by TheWOAT View Post
It is rumored that China dumps its steel onto Canada for cheap because of free trade agreement between those countries... Canadian steel then gets dumped into the US... If you dont like Chinese steel or other commodities being sold for really cheap in the US, and if you want tariffs against China, then its logical to look at tariffs against Canada.
I haven't heard of such a rumor, but even if true, that doesn't make steel tariffs — especially on the ally Canada — a good idea. That will make steel more expensive for American companies, which in turn will have negative repercussions for other sectors of the American economy.
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Jun 7, 2018, 08:12 AM
 
Perhaps he, and/or the ghost of the american steel industry, think that if they starve the steel supply american steel can be great again?

If industry wants to grow, it needs to innovate. How about more american recycling companies instead of shipping it to china (who now doesn't want it anymore) or other far off countries.
     
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Jun 7, 2018, 04:06 PM
 
Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
Are you saying that they import processed, finished steel, pull off the "Hecho in China" sticker and slap on a "Fabriqué au Canada" sticker and resell it?
2017: Canada imported CA$9.3B in steel
2017: Canada exported CA$8.63B to the US

I'm not a fan of tariffs, but IF you do, THEN it would make sense to look at Canadian steel.
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Jun 7, 2018, 05:31 PM
 
Your assertion is that because Canada's steel imports are higher than their exports to the US, that they're turning around some significant portion of the imports and exporting them? And to you, that's evidence that Canada is selling Chinese steel to the US disguised as Canadian steel? And to you, that's a good reason to put a tarriff on steel from Canada?

Side note: The US imports 10 million barrels of oil per day. It also exports 6.3 million barrels of oil per day. What does that say to you?
     
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Jun 7, 2018, 06:34 PM
 
Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
Your assertion is that because Canada's steel imports are higher than their exports to the US, that they're turning around some significant portion of the imports and exporting them? And to you, that's evidence that Canada is selling Chinese steel to the US disguised as Canadian steel? And to you, that's a good reason to put a tarriff on steel from Canada?

Side note: The US imports 10 million barrels of oil per day. It also exports 6.3 million barrels of oil per day. What does that say to you?
The export/import #s were brought up as a theory as to why Canada might be targeted for tariffs as it's an argument Ive seen elsewhere (google it). It's not unheard of for China to dump commodities in one country that later end up in the US (Google it).
Side note...says nothing
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We highly recommend that anyone declaring “Google it” do the Googling and provide the reputable link(s).
     
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Thanks for the tip........
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Jun 8, 2018, 04:10 AM
 
Please tell me that was Photoshopped! I don't think he can justify trade
     
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Jun 8, 2018, 10:32 AM
 
Originally Posted by TheWOAT View Post
The export/import #s were brought up as a theory as to why Canada might be targeted for tariffs
Do you believe there was extensive rational thought behind the design and implementation of the tariffs?

Why does the true purpose of the tariff need to be hidden and then sussed out by internet detectives?
     
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
Do you believe there was extensive rational thought behind the design and implementation of the tariffs?

Why does the true purpose of the tariff need to be hidden and then sussed out by internet detectives?
Extensive rational thought and the Trump Admin are like oil and water. Canada being a dumping ground for Chinese steel has been reported about before as has Mexico being a dumping ground for aluminum... If you believe in tariffs against China, then it makes sense to look at Canada.

I don't believe in tariffs, but I find some disconnect from those that want to talk tough with China on trade, yet whince at mentioning Canada.

Im just throwing this out there as a rational, and I don't want to spend too much time rationalizing a policy that will end up screwing over most Americans.
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Jun 8, 2018, 08:58 PM
 
They are being so polite with him, so he thinks he's winning, but he doesn't realize that "We'll take that as a starting point" is doublespeak for "let the dumb baby have a cookie before the grownups start talking."
     
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Alternatively, he's a pussy cat in person
     
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
Yes, we know trump is an asshole. That still, yet again, doesn't make it acceptable, right, normal, diplomatic, polite, etc.
Exactly. Here lies the dog who hunts.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Alternatively, he's a pussy cat in person
Which bodes well for Kim and NK next week.
     
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Toddler Trump: "No, I don't want to go to bed, and you can't make me!"
     
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Does anyone here care about Canada's tightly managed dairy economy?
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Alternatively, he's a pussy cat in person
Case in point, Trump signed onto the G7 joint communique, only to pull out over twitter on the way home.

Also:
Asked what Trudeau actually did that was so "cheap" and "sophomoric," Kudlow says, "He holds a press conference and he said the US is insulting, he said that Canada has to stand up for itself, he says that we are the problem with tariffs."
*fans self* My heavens, I almost fainted from such thoughts!

Also Also:
Trump adviser Peter Navarro tells Fox News this morning: "There's a special place in hell for any foreign leader that engages in bad faith diplomacy with Donald J Trump and then tries to stab him in the back on the way out the door."
I can see why Trump likes Navarro (He's referring to Trudeau).
     
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It isn't much fun. Isn't it someone else's turn to have their idiot in the spotlight?

Maybe Kim will talk about his greatness some more.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
I can see why Trump likes Navarro (He's referring to Trudeau).
Trump's is constantly accusing others of things he has actually done in order to deflect away from himself.
     
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It's so consistent I have to think Projection is a key trait of a narcissist.
     
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I can'r decide if it'd be a cheap shot or a diplomatic tour de force for the G6 to target Trump businesses. Particularly, it might be valuable if it caused Trump to let the facade slip and show to americans why you want your president to divest.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Does anyone here care about Canada's tightly managed dairy economy?
While I was living there, yes, because imported cheese was quite pricey
But still a lot cheaper than what good cheese costs in Japan, though … 
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While I was living there, yes, because imported cheese was quite pricey
But still a lot cheaper than what good cheese costs in Japan, though … 
You got me, life is difficult for cheese eating elitists in Canada.
     
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You got me, life is difficult for cheese eating elitists in Canada.
Touché!
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Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
Or is it ?

Here’s what happened:

Trump wants to screw the Chinese on ZTE
Trump doesn’t want to take blame
Trump proposes concessions, knowing that his “opponents” will push against whatever he does
Congress pushes to screw China on ZTE
Trump gets exactly what he wanted, but now is the good guy in China’s books

He played Congress. Smart motherf$&@er

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Trump gets exactly what he wanted, but now is the good guy in China’s books
That's not what happened, unless I missed him vetoing ZTE sanctions that were veto proof
     
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Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
Trump gets exactly what he wanted, but now is the good guy in China’s books
Do you think China has just forgotten that Trump has started a trade war by imposing $50, perhaps $200 billion in import duties?
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