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mrvtec · Jun 10, 2003, 10:11 AM

My Safari has stopped working with all secure websites all of a sudden. I am using Public Beta 2. I have deleted settings and tried it in different user accounts, re-installed it.I have installed 10.2.6 combo update. Does anyone know how to uninstall all components of Safari? Or does anyone have a list of files that Safari installs?
If it is a System based problem, i presume its a BSD package problem requiring a rebuild- anyone have any ideas?

pat++ · Jun 10, 2003, 10:32 AM

Did you try to delete entries related to your https web sites in Key Chain ?

Xeo · Jun 10, 2003, 01:28 PM

Have you tried the "Reset Safari" command in the Safari menu?

If you're using the beta 2 of Safari, you only need to uninstall Safari.app. If you installed the leaked v80, it's another story. There are several files in the /System directory that you must delete. It might have even overwritten some other files which would require a reinstall to get back, I'm not sure.

ranga · Jun 10, 2003, 04:23 PM

Did you recently switch to using a proxy server? If so, that is your problem Safari doesn't support https via a proxy server.

--ranga

Xeo · Jun 10, 2003, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by ranga:
Did you recently switch to using a proxy server? If so, that is your problem Safari doesn't support https via a proxy server.

--ranga

How can you tell? I have a HTTPS proxy set and I can view secure sites just fine in Safari. Is it not using the HTTPS proxy settings?

proton · Jun 10, 2003, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by Xeo:
How can you tell? I have a HTTPS proxy set and I can view secure sites just fine in Safari. Is it not using the HTTPS proxy settings?

Safari will just be ignoring the HTTPS proxy settings. As my HTTPS access is firewalled without going through my proxy I can tell you it ignores the HTTPS proxy and I can't access any HTTPS sites in Safari. I have to fire up another browser for any site that uses HTTPS. Very annoying to say the least.

- proton

Brass · Jun 10, 2003, 11:25 PM

Safari does not work for SSL (https) when using an authenticated proxy server (ie, proxy server requires you to login with username/password).

Then again, neither does any other Apple Software since 10.2 (eg, Software Update, iTunes)

GORDYmac · Jun 10, 2003, 11:54 PM

Not true. I check my work mail via Outlook Web Access every morning by logging in to a https site. All my banking works fine too, SunTrust, BankofAmerica, CitiBank, Providian, etc.

Brass · Jun 11, 2003, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by GORDYmac:
Not true. I check my work mail via Outlook Web Access every morning by logging in to a https site. All my banking works fine too, SunTrust, BankofAmerica, CitiBank, Providian, etc.

What's Outlook Web Access and What's it got to do with Safari? I'm not trying to be facetious (sp?), I'm just not familiar with it, and I don't see the connection.

Does this require Safari to use https (SSL) through an authenticated proxy server?

proton · Jun 11, 2003, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by Brass:
Safari does not work for SSL (https) when using an authenticated proxy server (ie, proxy server requires you to login with username/password).

Then again, neither does any other Apple Software since 10.2 (eg, Software Update, iTunes)

Safari does not work for SSL through any HTTPS proxy, authenticated or not. I've tried both with an authenticated proxy and with a non-authenticated proxy. It doesn't even try to connect to the proxy server, it has no support for HTTPS proxies at all.

- proton

Brass · Jun 11, 2003, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by proton:
Safari does not work for SSL through any HTTPS proxy, authenticated or not. I've tried both with an authenticated proxy and with a non-authenticated proxy. It doesn't even try to connect to the proxy server, it has no support for HTTPS proxies at all.

- proton

Pretty crappy, eh? At least it's only a Beta. I still prefer Camino, but I'll have another look at Safari when it reaches final.

In the meantime, those of you who have problems with ANY Mac OS X application and proxies, particularly authenticated proxies, there are two applications that I know of that work around the problem, by setting up a local proxy on your Mac OS X machine, and then redirecting things from that local proxy (with authentication, if desired) to the netowork proxy.

One is Authoxy, bu last time I checked, it was not HTTPS-aware.

My prefered solution is SquidMan. This actually includes the industry "standard" Squid proxy server, with a nice Aqua interface, designed specifically to solve this Mac OS X proxy-phobic-applications problem. It is fully HTTPS-aware, and works nicely for me. Even for Software Update and iTunes.

geekwagon · Jun 11, 2003, 01:30 AM

Yup, I have the same problem, https through any proxy I have tried (authenticated or not) doesn't work with Safari.

What's interesting, is it DOES work with servers that are internal (although located at a different site) just not out to the Internet. I KNOW that I am going through the proxy to get to those internal servers, as that is the ONLY way to get to them (they only accept connections from the proxy servers) and I have used netstat to watch my connections.

Wierd, huh? I dunno why it doesn't work once I head out onto the internet, and I am not in good enough with the department that runs the proxy servers to get enough info to troubleshoot it (I work for a large multinational.)

geekwagon · Jun 11, 2003, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by Brass:
My prefered solution is SquidMan. This actually includes the industry "standard" Squid proxy server, with a nice Aqua interface, designed specifically to solve this Mac OS X proxy-phobic-applications problem. It is fully HTTPS-aware, and works nicely for me. Even for Software Update and iTunes.

Does this work for iChat? Recently, I haven't been able to get iChat to work over any https proxy to connect to AIM.

Jonesy · Jun 11, 2003, 07:15 AM

The latest versions of OmniWeb 4.5 do work on https:// pages via proxies. As they both use the same OS X frameworks I guess this means that newer versions will work properly. We will probably see a release soon which will work through a proxy.

proton · Jun 11, 2003, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by Jonesy:
The latest versions of OmniWeb 4.5 do work on https:// pages via proxies. As they both use the same OS X frameworks I guess this means that newer versions will work properly. We will probably see a release soon which will work through a proxy.

OmniWeb does it's own fetching of documents over the network, hence it supports HTTPS, and also supports FTP in the application. It only uses the same layout engine and JavaScript engine as Safari. Pretty much everything else is OmniGroup code, carried over from OmniWeb 4.2 and earlier.

- proton