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JFK2000 · May 17, 2001, 01:28 PM

It seems that the boards have gotten particurly nasty lately. I know at times I have gotten a bit heated in some of my discussions with others. It appears that like most things in life there are those who love X, those who hate X and those who are somewhere in between.That's all good.

It seems the problem is that there is this tendency for the people on the two sides to unfairly characterize each other (i.e. those who love osx are fanatics who blindly follow Steve Jobs and attack anyone who would dare attack osx and those who have a complaint or are disappointed with osx are whiners and nay sayers, and on and on.)

Well I enjoy a good debate as much as anyone, but ad hominem attacks and name calling don't really add to the discussion.

So I pledge:
1) I will refrain from personal attacks on others.
2) I will refrain from name calling. (I won't call others whiners or fanatics or (stick your favorite in here)
3) I will respect people's rights to their own opinions no matter how different from my own.
4) I will discuss issues with others based on these principles and the common courtesy everyone deserves.

Anyone else willing to take the pledge?

Kosmo · May 17, 2001, 01:35 PM

I take the pledge too

Even if the other rat-bastards won't

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Scott_H · May 17, 2001, 01:38 PM

Personal attacts and name calling are not allowed. We get a lot of posts here. gorgonzola and I can't hit all the threads all the time. If you see trouble feel free to email either one of us.

wingdo · May 17, 2001, 01:51 PM

I am certainly willing to take this pledge. I'd also love to see something in there about troll posts.

However, I agree with Kosmo. Those other rat-bastards are going to be a problem.

Hash · May 17, 2001, 01:54 PM

Ya, smash apart those bitching rat-bastard trolls, put them on fire and make them swallow their comments until they can not swallow no more, then push them down their throat until they never ever will be able to whine!

JFK2000 · May 17, 2001, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by wingdo:
I am certainly willing to take this pledge. I'd also love to see something in there about troll posts.

However, I agree with Kosmo. Those other rat-bastards are going to be a problem.

I kind of figured they would be especially since those idiots' opinions aren't worth a darn.

Hash · May 17, 2001, 01:59 PM

JFK,
I kinda figure that your opinion is wortless

Kosmo · May 17, 2001, 02:00 PM

Don't you just LOVE that phrase : [b] Rat-Bastards[/b}

Got a nice ring to it... very 'Sopranos'

Hash, I think you secretly love OS X. Go buy a new G4 and really get into it...you won't regret it, I swear.

I wish they would add back system soundsets though. Someone mentioned having the genie effect go 'whoosh' and things like that, it would be cool to have....

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Hash · May 17, 2001, 02:03 PM

To buy G4 to play with OS X? a little bit expensive toy..maybe GameCube is better

JFK2000 · May 17, 2001, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Hash:
Ya, smash apart those bitching rat-bastard trolls, put them on fire and make them swallow their comments until they can not swallow no more, then push them down their throat until they never ever will be able to whine!

So Hash I will take your ya to mean you are agreeing to take the pledge?

Now if we can just get those &@#@$# trolls to take it.

JFK2000 · May 17, 2001, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Hash:
JFK,
I kinda figure that your opinion is wortless

You're probably right...but at least I can spell

Kosmo · May 17, 2001, 02:12 PM

Hash, a new G4 will unlease all the creative powers you have pent up inside you, my boy. It will set you free... GIGAFLOPS of computations...imagine the power you would posess.

Personally, if Apple releases Dual 1Ghz machines in July I'm gonna swipe my wife's AMEX card and buy one, and worry about paying for it later

Ya know, a true fact here: I still have all the plastic sticky paper on my Dual 450. Is that sick, or what?? I'm a sick rat-bastard...

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JFK2000 · May 17, 2001, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by Kosmo:

Ya know, a true fact here: I still have all the plastic sticky paper on my Dual 450. Is that sick, or what?? I'm a sick rat-bastard...

See, we're making progress...now you're calling yourself names

[This message has been edited by JFK2000 (edited 05-17-2001).]

gorgonzola · May 17, 2001, 02:18 PM

I'll ditto what Scott said. This forum moves too fast to hit all the threads. (Don't I know it ... yeesh!

). So emails are much appreciated because sometimes I don't notice; I've gotten a few emails before and they really help.

As for the pledge ... as you can figure, Scott and I took the pledge a while ago.

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Norm1985 · May 17, 2001, 02:20 PM

I take the pledge.

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Craig R. Arko · May 17, 2001, 02:21 PM

Pledge to give up barbarism and join civilization? I think some of these folks have yet to catch on that "... the secret is to bang the rocks together (D. Adams)."

But the rest of us can maintain a civil keyboard, I'm sure. At least through WWDC...

REVITUP · May 17, 2001, 02:22 PM

I'll take the pledge!

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Lord Kronos · May 17, 2001, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Kosmo:
Hash, a new G4 will unlease all the creative powers you have pent up inside you, my boy. It will set you free... GIGAFLOPS of computations...imagine the power you would posess.

Personally, if Apple releases Dual 1Ghz machines in July I'm gonna swipe my wife's AMEX card and buy one, and worry about paying for it later

Ya know, a true fact here: I still have all the plastic sticky paper on my Dual 450. Is that sick, or what?? I'm a sick rat-bastard...

If I were you I'd wait a bit longer. The best time to buy a mac is MWSF.

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JFK2000 · May 17, 2001, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by Craig R. Arko:
Pledge to give up barbarism and join civilization? I think some of these folks have yet to catch on that "... the secret is to bang the rocks together (D. Adams)."

Hmmm...I knew I was missing something. LOL

Kosmo · May 17, 2001, 02:32 PM

Lord K, life is tooooo short to wait till MWSF... I like buying in the summer so I can get over the shock before the Christmas buying season starts... kinda hard to tell the kids I can't afford something they want for Christmas because I'm saving for a new machine in January...

I only wish MW would come back to Boston since New York is 5 hours away

I'm going, but I miss the short drive to Boston..Of course, I hated it when they divided the show into 2 palces and you have to take a shuttle to get from one to the other...

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Lord Kronos · May 17, 2001, 02:35 PM

I know it's hard to wait

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I probably won't buy another G4, unless it's a quad.

Edit: If there's a new case, I might buy one at MWNY actually

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typoon · May 17, 2001, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by JFK2000:
It seems that the boards have gotten particurly nasty lately. I know at times I have gotten a bit heated in some of my discussions with others. It appears that like most things in life there are those who love X, those who hate X and those who are somewhere in between.That's all good.

It seems the problem is that there is this tendency for the people on the two sides to unfairly characterize each other (i.e. those who love osx are fanatics who blindly follow Steve Jobs and attack anyone who would dare attack osx and those who have a complaint or are disappointed with osx are whiners and nay sayers, and on and on.)

Well I enjoy a good debate as much as anyone, but ad hominem attacks and name calling don't really add to the discussion.

So I pledge:
1) I will refrain from personal attacks on others.
2) I will refrain from name calling. (I won't call others whiners or fanatics or (stick your favorite in here)
3) I will respect people's rights to their own opinions no matter how different from my own.
4) I will discuss issues with others based on these principles and the common courtesy everyone deserves.

Anyone else willing to take the pledge?

I'll take this pledge but if somone attacks me I am going to defend myself

Jellytussle · May 17, 2001, 02:49 PM

aaaaarrrrrgh!!

Kosmo - peel that stuff OFF!

I run the service dept at an AASP, and my other mission in life (apart from the one that if I told you, I'd have to kill you), is to peel off all the stickies from clients' Macs. It HAS to be done.

I bet you kept the polythene sleeve on the ADB cable that came with your LCIII, and you never fold out the keyboard foot either!!

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Hash · May 17, 2001, 02:52 PM

quote:
I'll take this pledge but if somone attacks me I am going to defend myself

LOL, typhoon completely gone militarily: think now of defense...attack...retaliation, hehe.

Typhoon, all you need it TMD* theater missile defense*. Also consult Pentagon on your strategies and buy a pair of nukes to be ready. Look under your bed regularly and check food and water for chemical detergents; also observe night sky for enemy planes and always look behind.

Jellytussle · May 17, 2001, 02:52 PM

oops, i guess that last post means I broke the pledge before I even took it.

Kosmo · May 17, 2001, 02:54 PM

LOL!! You're right about the Keyboard feet

But I never owned an LC-anything... I service my own computers so I guess I can avoid your wrath

What's wrong with keeping the plastic on it anyhow....

This this look like a guy that would tear the plastic off?? I think not...

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sebuchen · May 17, 2001, 02:55 PM

Well I enjoy a good debate as much as anyone, but ad hominem attacks and name calling don't really add to the discussion.

So I pledge:
1) I will refrain from personal attacks on others.
2) I will refrain from name calling. (I won't call others whiners or fanatics or (stick your favorite in here)
3) I will respect people's rights to their own opinions no matter how different from my own.
4) I will discuss issues with others based on these principles and the common courtesy everyone deserves.

Anyone else willing to take the pledge?

Well, I've never done 1 or 2, always try to do 3 and have ALWAYS done 4. Now after saying that, I will still abide by the letter of the suggestion and STILL take the pledge. If anyone henceforth finds me guilty of any of those I would like to be informed about it and perhaps even be bitch-slapped for it.

edddeduck · May 17, 2001, 02:56 PM

I will take the pledge..

XP forever

oops....

But seriously i think is a good thought anyway...

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Jellytussle · May 17, 2001, 02:58 PM

oops, i guess that last post means I broke the pledge before I even took it.

Hash · May 17, 2001, 03:00 PM

Quote

This this look like a guy that would tear the plastic off?? I think not...

Ya...i dont think this guy will tear plastic off...
Maybe G4 will put me on fire??

Jellytussle · May 17, 2001, 03:00 PM

oops, i guess that last post means I broke the pledge before I even took it.

typoon · May 17, 2001, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by Hash:
quote:
I'll take this pledge but if somone attacks me I am going to defend myself

LOL, typhoon completely gone militarily: think now of defense...attack...retaliation, hehe.

Typhoon, all you need it TMD* theater missile defense*. Also consult Pentagon on your strategies and buy a pair of nukes to be ready. Look under your bed regularly and check food and water for chemical detergents; also observe night sky for enemy planes and always look behind.

That's okay, I have my own defensive stratagy thanks. Don't need nukes to defend myself.

Jellytussle · May 17, 2001, 03:05 PM

Treble post? but I was nowhere near the back button.

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Kosmo · May 17, 2001, 03:12 PM

Jelly, you've posted this like 5 times...are you in a loop of some kind?

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May 17, 2001, 03:19 PM

back again, logged in as root and in IE, I think Omniweb went mad or something - oh the humanity!

plaidpjs · May 17, 2001, 03:25 PM

FIRST, I would be happy to take the pledge, in fact i had something similar at the bottom of my last post in Kosmo's thread which had a similar tone to this one.

SECOND, I wish i had seen the pledge before I responded to the last post in Hash's thread about leaving Apple... hmmm, well, I don't want to recant what I said, so, I'll just have to live with any flames he posts back.

THIRD, KOSMO - You're going to MWNY? Very cool, what day(s) will you be there? Just going to see the exhibits, or are you going for conferences? Given our proximity (we're a state apart, barely), I had wondered if I would ever run into you at some Apple event out here.

Okay, I'm done!

Ciao!

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Scott_H · May 17, 2001, 03:27 PM

Remember there is a difference between saying someone is "dumb" and saying that their idea is "dumb". The latter being more acceptable than the former.

Kosmo · May 17, 2001, 03:41 PM

I'm trying to arrange to stay with my friend that works for Apple (in the exectutive level

), if I can I'll be there for the entire time. I'm doing the Keynote and exhibits, probably some OS X stuff.

My main reason for going is to get a job. I'm tired of running my own business. Great place to meet people, especially if I'm hanging with an Apple executive.

Of course if he reads this post I probably blew it (Sorry Ed)...

Apple NEEDS me, whether they know it or not

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plaidpjs · May 17, 2001, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Kosmo:
I'm trying to arrange to stay with my friend that works for Apple (in the exectutive level ), if I can I'll be there for the entire time. I'm doing the Keynote and exhibits, probably some OS X stuff.

My main reason for going is to get a job. I'm tired of running my own business. Great place to meet people, especially if I'm hanging with an Apple executive.

Of course if he reads this post I probably blew it (Sorry Ed)...

Apple NEEDS me, whether they know it or not

Great, i hope you keep up witht he other thread in here about trying to get the MacNN people together somewhere during the week. I'm doing the Pro-track and while I'm not tired of running my own business, I'm hoping to have landed a new job with Apple by then. If I can ever discern what they're doing with hiring for the stores, that is!

Well, i hope to see you there.. an informal introduction to your Apple exec. friend wouldn't be bad either.. LOL!

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Millennium · May 17, 2001, 09:16 PM

I think this goes a little too far; I'm not going to make a pledge I know I cannot keep. However, I will pledge the following:

1) I will refrain from personal attacks on others. This does not mean that I will not defend myself if attacked, however.
2) I will refrain from name-calling without good cause. This does not mean I will not call someone out for being a whiner or zealot. It does, however, mean that when I do, I will state exactly why I do so, so that any misunderstandings can be corrected. I'm more than willing to admit that I'm wrong sometimes.
3) I will respect people's rights to their own opinions no matter how different from my own. However, I expect to be treated in kind.
4) I will discuss issues with others based on these principles and the common courtesy everyone deserves. That means just what it says.

I can pledge that. I hope it'll do.

zerologic · May 17, 2001, 09:36 PM

Where in the hell is Cypher 13 in this thread?

xyber233 · May 17, 2001, 10:02 PM

I take the pledge

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edddeduck · May 17, 2001, 10:32 PM

Come on cipher13

You can do it....

Just think of it as your first stage of rehab

*joke* *no offence meant*

Can't be seen flaming can we

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dn15 · May 17, 2001, 10:38 PM

I'm in. I agree, not all OS X users are Steve worshippers, and those who prefer OS 9 are not old fashioned and backwards. Don't forget that OS X vs OS 9 is Mac vs Mac, even though some people act as if it was Mac vs Windows.

edddeduck · May 17, 2001, 10:40 PM

Well said dn15

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JLannoo · May 17, 2001, 11:26 PM

I'll take the pledge...name calling and the like is best reserved for online gaming (IE: Quake 3)

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ntsc · May 18, 2001, 03:58 AM

Count me in

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PeteL999 · May 18, 2001, 08:02 AM

me too!