[RedStar]

From slashdot:

"Instead of plugging his new book, Jon Stewart tonight on CNN's Crossfire used his time to slam the media's coverage of the election. Although Stewart leans left, he attacked political shows and begged them: 'Stop, stop, stop, stop hurting America.' Is it time to really stop all the political games that both sides play? Torrent of the event is available."

torrent file (~97 megs):

http://66.90.75.92/********//torrent...rt-avi.torrent

It wasn't only the things he said, but the look on his face. This is one of the greatest things I have ever seen. It reminds me of Michael Moore (love him or hate him) telling Katie Couric to stop asking such stupid questions.

::edit:: crap.... never ventured into the political lounge where this probably belongs.

[Randman]

already there.

[Drakino]

I don't think this is really political. It's more "we need better news then what we have" here in the US.

Everyone says CNN is on the left, Fox is on the Right, and everyone else has their side as well. That right there is the problem. I don't want political opinions from my news. I just want the news.

That right there is why I avoid most US based news sources, and have ever since 9/11/01 occured. I personally feel I am better informed with less political propaganda being presented to me from either side.


I just found it so funny he came on the show and didn't bother to talk about his book. He instead talked about something serious and caught both hosts way off guard.

[olePigeon]

Originally posted by Drakino:
Everyone says CNN is on the left, Fox is on the Right, and everyone else has their side as well.

That's why I watch BBC.

[effgee]

In case you don't feel like downloading a 97MB file, watch a QuickTime stream here.

[itai195]

Originally posted by Drakino:
I don't think this is really political. It's more "we need better news then what we have" here in the US.

Everyone says CNN is on the left, Fox is on the Right, and everyone else has their side as well. That right there is the problem. I don't want political opinions from my news. I just want the news.

I don't have a problem with political bias necessarily, what I've got a problem with is a lack of journalistic ethics. Theatrics and opinions are NOT news! The problem is compounded by the conglomerates controlling our media today... with such enormous power and the ability to coordinate, they can easily pound a fabrication into the minds of Americans.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by itai195:
I don't have a problem with political bias necessarily, what I've got a problem with is a lack of journalistic ethics. Theatrics and opinions are NOT news! The problem is compounded by the conglomerates controlling our media today... with such enormous power and the ability to coordinate, they can easily pound a fabrication into the minds of Americans.

That is exactly why I have come to dislike him over the years. I used to like the guy.

[itai195]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
That is exactly why I have come to dislike him over the years. I used to like the guy.

Stewart? Do you expect good journalism from a show on Comedy Central? His whole schtick is to satirize the modern media for doing exactly what I described above.

[ironknee]

Originally posted by itai195:
I don't have a problem with political bias necessarily, what I've got a problem with is a lack of journalistic ethics. Theatrics and opinions are NOT news! The problem is compounded by the conglomerates controlling our media today... with such enormous power and the ability to coordinate, they can easily pound a fabrication into the minds of Americans.

stewart is on a show that's NOT THE REAL NEWS...it's a comedy show! why should it have journalistic ethics?

[mishap]

wow. grabbed it this morning..

"you are 35 and you wear a bowtie"... goes on further to call them hacks.

Stop. Please... Stop hurting America.

F-ING GREAT. F-ING CLASSIC

[Zimphire]

Yes we know it's not real news. But tell that to the people who takes his remarks seriously.

What he is doing is no different than say, someone in here sarcastically complaining in the forums 24/7.

I don't call that comedy. But hey, it's just MHO.

[ironknee]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Yes we know it's not real news. But tell that to the people who takes his remarks seriously.

What he is doing is no different than say, someone in here sarcastically complaining in the forums 24/7.

I don't call that comedy. But hey, it's just MHO.

i think the only people who don't get him and take him seriously are conservatives...the rest of us gets the joke

[MindFad]

Saw it; loved it; had a good laugh. It's good to see people tell it like it is�especially on a channel where they basically don't tell it like it is.

[nerd]

Originally posted by RedStar:
From slashdot:


torrent file (~97 megs):

http://66.90.75.92/********//torrent...rt-avi.torrent

Linky no worky? Page not found.

Brad

[RedStar]

yea, looks like the links been censored...sigh

there are links to streams in the middle of the thread or you can check the slashdot main page.

edit:: or replace the stars with that well known torrent site that doesn't need to be automatically censored

[ratlater]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Yes we know it's not real news. But tell that to the people who takes his remarks seriously.

What he is doing is no different than say, someone in here sarcastically complaining in the forums 24/7.

I don't call that comedy. But hey, it's just MHO.

You should know that people who get their news from the Daily Show are far more likely to have a correct understanding of current events. Viewers of Fox News or CNN are more likely to be off base.

-matt

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by ironknee:
i think the only people who don't get him and take him seriously are conservatives...the rest of us gets the joke

No.. I know Democrats that think he is an asshat as well.

I GET him, I just don't think he is all that funny anymore.

He comes off as desperate and repetitive lately.

He is no Dennis Miller.

And I liked Dennis even when he was a Democrat.

Originally posted by ratlater:
You should know that people who get their news from the Daily Show are far more likely to have a correct understanding of current events. Viewers of Fox News or CNN are more likely to be off base.

Yeah, sure bub. Keep peddling that all the way down the hill.

[brapper]

john stewart is awesome.

[MindFad]

Originally posted by ratlater:
You should know that people who get their news from the Daily Show are far more likely to have a correct understanding of current events. Viewers of Fox News or CNN are more likely to be off base.

-matt

Not in Zim World�.

[Zimphire]

Not in any world.

The Daily show isn't a balanced source of news by any means.

[Peder Rice]

Daily Show viewers are very intelligent, and O'Reilly made a bit of an ass out of himself.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/0...medy.politics/

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Peder Rice:
Daily Show viewers are very intelligent, and O'Reilly made a bit of an ass out of himself.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/0...medy.politics/

Actually, I'll see if I can find the link. Someone debunked those "statistics" in a very large smackdown way.

That is why you haven't heard much about it anymore.

Cept for the few that "still want to believe"

I'll see if I can drum up the link.

[MindFad]

Here it comes!

[fireside]

Originally posted by MindFad:
Here it comes!

lawl

[Zimphire]

[velodev]

Originally posted by Drakino:

I just found it so funny he came on the show and didn't bother to talk about his book. He instead talked about something serious and caught both hosts way off guard.

I find it even funnier that they kept him on for three breaks. I'm sure there was discussion during the breaks but (please don't get me wrong, the guy did a great thing) they didn't throw him off?

wtc?

[velodev]

Originally posted by Peder Rice:
Daily Show viewers are very intelligent, and O'Reilly made a bit of an ass out of himself.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/0...medy.politics/

5 out of 5 on the quiz (but they beyond easy) and I don't watch any of the shows. I do find some of the zingers Stewart has to be funny and dead on. I listened to the abridged version of America and found it to be funny. his game isn't over and as people are becoming more interested in the "crap' we call government and the democracy we call two party elections his rating will remain high.

that's all.

I couldn't care less about these two clowns, I'm voting Libertarian as always.

[ironknee]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Not in any world.

The Daily show isn't a balanced source of news by any means.

it's NOT NEWS!!!!

[effgee]

Aynone watch the news on Comedy Central Friday night?















*runsforcover*

[Evan_11]

I watched part of it. I like Stewart but he came off too prickly for this interview. He also didn't take advantage of the forum by educating. Instead he relied on cheap shots like the bow tie comment. While funny it wasn't much better than the juevenile comments made here. I don't watch Crossfire but I figure it's as much like any other political show, more "He Said, She Said" than actual discussion. That's basically political discussion in nut shell though. Like anything action speaks louder than words. Liberals just tend to better at words than action.

[Evan_11]

Originally posted by ironknee:
it's NOT NEWS!!!!

Regardless Stewart didn't present his arguement well and ended up insulting the hosts who attempted to be cordial with him. It probably hurt Stewart a lot more than it helped his cause....whatever that is.

[MilkmanDan]

His show is the one show I miss here in Japan.

[Evan_11]

Originally posted by MindFad:
Saw it; loved it; had a good laugh. It's good to see people tell it like it is�especially on a channel where they basically don't tell it like it is.

Yes it was aimed directly at your level of discourse. You must of really loved the bow tie comment. How's that Gamestop job coming along?

[Drakino]

The bowtie comment was very appropriate, but he just cound never expand on it. It is proof though that the guy is more concerned about putting forth a certain appearance to represent his side then he is in the debates. IE, it's just theatre on that show, complete with costumes.

[effgee]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
... who attempted to be cordial with him. ...

I recommend you watch the entire clip, then rethink that statement.

[Evan_11]

Yes. I agree the bow tie comment was funny and incisive but because Stewart couldn't elaborate any further and instead looked nervy and uncomfortable he then blew it. Like his weak Kerry interview I think Stewart is not as 'good' as a lot of people think he is.

[Evan_11]

Originally posted by effgee:
I recommend you watch the entire clip, then rethink that statement.

Nah. They were very cordial when introducing him. Stewart was the one who decided to turn it nasty. Like I said Stewart just isn't as good as people make him out to be regardless of how he thinks. He's definately better at pre-conceived skits which is basically what he was ranting about on Crossfire. Like the 35 year old guy who wears a bow tie Stewart is an entertainer and nothing more. Entertainers often make fools out of themselves when the they attempt to cross over that fine line to reality.

[ironknee]

forget the bowtie comment...i love the "biggest dick" comment!

[Evan_11]

Originally posted by Zimphire:

Miss Piggy?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by ironknee:
it's NOT NEWS!!!!

Right.. and that is why I just said in my sentence that it wasn't...

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
Nah. They were very cordial when introducing him. Stewart was the one who decided to turn it nasty. Like I said Stewart just isn't as good as people make him out to be regardless of how he thinks. He's definately better at pre-conceived skits which is basically what he was ranting about on Crossfire. Like the 35 year old guy who wears a bow tie Stewart is an entertainer and nothing more. Entertainers often make fools out of themselves when the they attempt to cross over that fine line to reality.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Evan_11:
Miss Piggy?

That isn't nice.

[TheJoshu]

Originally posted by ironknee:
stewart is on a show that's NOT THE REAL NEWS...it's a comedy show! why should it have journalistic ethics?

At this point... I have trouble with him hiding behind this argument. Surely it's comedy, but he has and ought to be expected to have journalist integrity nonetheless.

[effgee]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
Nah. They were very cordial when introducing him. Stewart was the one who decided to turn it nasty. Like I said Stewart just isn't as good as people make him out to be regardless of how he thinks. He's definately better at pre-conceived skits which is basically what he was ranting about on Crossfire. Like the 35 year old guy who wears a bow tie Stewart is an entertainer and nothing more. Entertainers often make fools out of themselves when the they attempt to cross over that fine line to reality.

I don't know what you were watching. They (as in: lil' Tucker Carlson) were cordial for exactly as long as it looked like Stewart was going along with the usual politically correct idiot theme of babbling about pre-scripted crap.

As soon as Tucker realized that Stewart wasn't about to return to the script, he interrupted him repeatedly, trying to force his conversation onto Stewart. That's when the whole thing went downhill.

And hey - towards the end, neither of the two was what anyone could call polite. Downside for Tucker was that Stewart's insults were (somewhat) funny while he sat there looking like the witless, braindead mouthpiece he is.

[MindFad]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
Yes it was aimed directly at your level of discourse. You must of really loved the bow tie comment.

Oh, please tell us what level that would be! Let's see how many pages we can get out of this thread. If you're going to be a lofty c�nt, at least explain yourself. And the bow tie comment a good one; I really loved it.

How's that Gamestop job coming along?

No news yet. You want to sign up for MindFad e-mail updates? Because I'll totally send them.

I watched part of it. I like Stewart but he came off too prickly for this interview. He also didn't take advantage of the forum by educating. Instead he relied on cheap shots like the bow tie comment. While funny it wasn't much better than the juevenile comments made here. I don't watch Crossfire but I figure it's as much like any other political show, more "He Said, She Said" than actual discussion. That's basically political discussion in nut shell though. Like anything action speaks louder than words. Liberals just tend to better at words than action.

Maybe you should go back and watch the whole thing, chief.

[Evan_11]

Originally posted by effgee:
I don't know what you were watching. .....

I watched enough.

If Stewart's point was to go on that show and insult it's hosts then yes I agree. If Stewart went on there to make a point then he failed. I more or less got the impression that Stewart just didn't like the guy with the bow tie and intended more or less on attacking the messenger rather than the message. Something a lot of us do here. Childish yes and counter productive.

I sat in on a taping of Politically Incorrect one time and found a similar setup as Crossfire. Carrot Top was a guest for godsakes. Between 'commercial breaks' the guests huddled and planned on what they were going to debate about. I suspect Bill and Jon are pals so you probably won't see them challenging each other in an insult contest.

[Evan_11]

Originally posted by MindFad:

If you're going to be a lofty c�nt, at least explain yourself. [/B]

Hey, you proved my point.

If you plan on ridiculing others in public then you should be pretty damned ready to receive it too.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
Nah. They were very cordial when introducing him. Stewart was the one who decided to turn it nasty. Like I said Stewart just isn't as good as people make him out to be regardless of how he thinks. He's definately better at pre-conceived skits which is basically what he was ranting about on Crossfire. Like the 35 year old guy who wears a bow tie Stewart is an entertainer and nothing more. Entertainers often make fools out of themselves when the they attempt to cross over that fine line to reality.

The difference being that the fool with the bowtie was running a political talkshow on a news tv station, and Stewart is host of an entertainment show on an entertainment channel.

He was there to question the Crossfire guys on THEIR journalistic integrity and responsibility. THEY are the ones crossing the line into entertainment, not vice versa.

(Apart from which, the entertainment business has LONG history of political content - satire does go back several thousand years -, while the business of "infotainment" is a fairly recent development of dumbing down TV)

-s*

[Evan_11]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
The difference being that the fool with the bowtie was running a political talkshow on a news tv station, and Stewart is host of an entertainment show on an entertainment channel.
-s*

I think we all know that CNN had crossed the line when they posted 'news' from such reliable source as MOSR regarding the fabled color iPod.

[MindFad]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
Hey, you proved my point.

If you plan on ridiculing others in public then you should be pretty damned ready to receive it too. [/B][/QUOTE]

I don't see how you proved anything, or what you were trying to prove to begin with; I thought we were talking about Jon Stewart on Crossfire.

I wasn't ridiculing anyone�I only do that to morons who deserve it (see: Political Lounge). If you're talking about the pic of Zim, he probably knows I was messing around. We can get seriously pissy sometimes with each other.

I don't feel ridiculed.

[effgee]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
I watched enough.

The usual "kill-em-all" argument. Convenient, isn't it?

Originally posted by Evan_11:
If Stewart's point was to go on that show and insult it's hosts then yes I agree. If Stewart went on there to make a point then he failed. I more or less got the impression that Stewart just didn't like the guy with the bow tie and intended more or less on attacking the messenger rather than the message. Something a lot of us do here. Childish yes and counter productive.

You got the impression that Stewart didn't like the guy with the bowtie? Did you listen to anything Stewart said during the beginning of the "interview"?

In case you missed it - he was making almost exactly the same point you are attempting to make - that the "debate shows" like Crossfire are to civilized political discourse what professional wrestling is to regular sports.

The attacks began quite a bit after the whole thing started to go down the shitter.

Originally posted by Evan_11:
... I sat in on a taping of Politically Incorrect one time and found a similar setup as Crossfire. Carrot Top was a guest for godsakes. Between 'commercial breaks' the guests huddled and planned on what they were going to debate about. I suspect Bill and Jon are pals so you probably won't see them challenging each other in an insult contest.

What does Maher's show have to do with anything we're talking about here? Are you trying to tell us the whole thing was scripted - including gems like "Kerry's buttboy" and "dick"?