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iFix Rene · Jun 25, 2003, 05:24 AM

to get things straight...
does the new finder still have toolbaricons
(home, applications, etc)
or is that functionality moved to the places
sidebar?

k2director · Jun 25, 2003, 05:30 AM

My #1 question is:

If you have mounted Samba drives (or other Mac drives, but Samba's worse) and you shut down the remote machine, do you still get a spinning beachball for the next several minutes if you try to launch any new programs?

That's my question too. Can't believe 10.2.6 still messes up when a network volume is turned off. Any clarification much appreciated!

Also, is Mail noticeably faster? I'm specifically interested in scrolling and how quick a selected message displays in the preview pane (sometimes the current version hesitates a bit before displaying a message's content).

kelix · Jun 25, 2003, 05:44 AM

K2... both issues have been looked and fixed...
FTP flies.. connecting to a net HD is fasta nd disconencts rapidly an das for mail... BLINDINGLY FAST!

Diggory Laycock · Jun 25, 2003, 05:49 AM

My Qs -

1 - Is the Dock Spring-loaded (can you drag into subfolders in the dock?)

2 - Can you get the "Services" menu From the Contextual or Action Menu?

3 - Is there anywhere in the System Prefs where you can set your preferred handler for different Internet Protocols? - i.e. can you set your preferred FTP client - so that clicking FTP links in Safari does not use the Finder's FTP.

LightWaver-67 · Jun 25, 2003, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by kelix:
K2... both issues have been looked and fixed...
FTP flies.. connecting to a net HD is fasta nd disconencts rapidly an das for mail... BLINDINGLY FAST!

Wait... just for clarification: Are you saying that there is finally FTP in the finder that WORKS...? Can I connect and WRITE to FTP servers...?

I have been waiting & waiting. I mean, I use and like Transmit... but I'd love for it to be built-in.

LightWaver-67 · Jun 25, 2003, 05:57 AM

On a similar note... it IS like Apple has been listening. They added SO MUCH that I've been asking about and giving feedback for:

- Faxing (I hate using FaxSfT)
- Font Management (Suitcase grinds me to a hault)
- File/Folder encryption (user encryption)
- Fast User Switching
- FTP (I think... not confirmed)

I just can't WAIT for this to be available to the masses. And, just as I predicted, I'll bet by the time Panther is released, and is loaded on any of the NEW G5 machines... my guess is that system responsiveness is gonna FEEL just like OS9... and moving-forward, it will only get better.

I'm gonna start saving my pennies now for a new G5.

trusted_content · Jun 25, 2003, 06:01 AM

The dock does not appear to be spring-loaded.

I had a slight scare earlier when I updated IE and found that it had set itself as my default browser without my input (sneaky, sneaky). Looking around in System Preferences I realized that there no longer is an "Internet" preference pane and I couldn't find any place to switch my default browser. Grepping the defaults database for anything web-related didn't help, either. I ended up having to delete not only the copy of IE on my Panther drive, but the copy on every other drive as well... it was dead-set on launching IE whenever I clicked on a link. Thankfully it's back to Safari now, and I don't really see much of a problem with not having IE anywhere

.

Also, as some others may have already indicated, Panther comes with DarwinPorts. I've already built gaim, irssi, links, and a few command-line tools (i'm posting this with the X11 version of links right now). Though I'm used to fink and have never used dports before, I'm beginning to really appreciate the architecture and way of doing things; being able to pass flags to packages is a feature I longed for with fink and finally have.

I think Panther will be one of Apple's greatest coups. It's simply outstanding. And the fact that they have managed to make an OS upgrade that is considerably faster than the previous version is proof of just how much they "think different" from the Windows world.

Powaqqatsi · Jun 25, 2003, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by nbnz:
Does Mail.app still send Resource files along with attachments?

Anyone knows this ? Quite important IMHO.

kelix · Jun 25, 2003, 06:29 AM

Powaqqatsi:
it doesnt seem to be

phillryu · Jun 25, 2003, 06:32 AM

A couple of 'nifty' things I noticed.

Scrolling is smoothed now (ex, press option down, the page smoothly scrolls down a page.)

Sheets move a lot faster now.

System prefs panes not only size change, but cross fade into each other.

When you shut down, your desktop is kinda filtered blue, then shuts down (instead of the whirly black circle).

Some unmentioned new features:

Keyboard pref pane now lets you set your own keyboard shortcuts for apps.

Desktop/Screensaver pref pane is MUCH improved. The desktop pane has a grid of picture previews now, instead of just a column, and the screensaver has a much larger preview.

Diggory Laycock · Jun 25, 2003, 06:44 AM

Originally posted by trusted_content:
The dock does not appear to be spring-loaded.

I had a slight scare earlier when I updated IE and found that it had set itself as my default browser without my input (sneaky, sneaky). Looking around in System Preferences I realized that there no longer is an "Internet" preference pane and I couldn't find any place to switch my default browser. Grepping the defaults database for anything web-related didn't help, either. I ended up having to delete not only the copy of IE on my Panther drive, but the copy on every other drive as well... it was dead-set on launching IE whenever I clicked on a link. Thankfully it's back to Safari now, and I don't really see much of a problem with not having IE anywhere .

Damn - looks like Spring-loaded dock is never going to happen.

Internet Protocol prefs are handled in LaunchServices.

If there is no way of controlling this - it would be very annoying indeed.

nagromme · Jun 25, 2003, 07:05 AM

In Jaguar, to choose your default browser, just go to System Preferences > Internet > Web. In Panther, can't you do the same within Network?

Diggory Laycock · Jun 25, 2003, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by nagromme:
In Jaguar, to choose your default browser, just go to System Preferences > Internet > Web. In Panther, can't you do the same within Network?

Panther does not have an 'Interent' prefpane.

The Internet prefpane only allows setting of Web and Mail prefs - I'm interested in setting any of the protocols (see my sig)

Lew · Jun 25, 2003, 07:22 AM

Can't you set the default browser from Safari's preferences?

JLL · Jun 25, 2003, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by Diggory Laycock:
Damn - looks like Spring-loaded dock is never going to happen.

I don't think that Panther DP1 has an updated dock at all. Perhaps it will come later.

Simon · Jun 25, 2003, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by GFive:
Can't you set the default browser from Safari's preferences?

Right, even if Panther doesn't have a Internet system pref just fire up Safari and check its prefs. The default browser setting is mirrored there (at least under 10.2.6 it is).

Is that gone as well under Panther?

Simon · Jun 25, 2003, 07:54 AM

And could somebody please, please finally post some shots of the open/save dialogs showing off design, features, sorting possibilities, etc. Thanks!

GnOm · Jun 25, 2003, 08:02 AM

a few glithces I found:

Preview.app doesn't work for me, builds the thumbnails (fast!) but the main window stays blank (grey)
Cannot set balance on my SoundSticks from the control panel
Volume buttons do not work (yet)
Volume slider in control panel doesn't work either
Can adjust volume from AudioMIDIConfig.app but only for channel 2, either it's mono or channel 1 is at a fix rate

cheers.

DaveGee · Jun 25, 2003, 08:08 AM

How about this one...

Could some kind person give this a try?

1 - Switch between two or more users (I can't wait for this feature btw) and then have something running and in an unsaved state text doc or anything
2 - Switch to the other user and Install something that requires a restart (what warnings do you get if any)
3 - At the time the system restarts what happens?

Just wondering if the system does something that I'd just go nuts for... 'save state' shutdown / restart. You know, memory would get saved on shutdown and then restored on reboot.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't but I just had to ask...

Dave

SYN · Jun 25, 2003, 08:12 AM

So, do we have confirmation that mounted Samba shares can no longer fubar the whole OS?

Another thing i'd like to know, if you do a show info on an item being downloaded or transfered, does the file size update live? Or is it static as in Jaguar?

Thanks

jokell82 · Jun 25, 2003, 08:28 AM

If someone wants to send me a link to a samba share I can tell you how it works. I don't have multiple users set up, but later on tonight I can check the restart thing...

Anyone want any screenshots of something specific?

bgmccollum · Jun 25, 2003, 08:32 AM

i just cant believe it. panther flys on my pidly 300Mhz G3. it almost feels like im in OS 9 for gods sake. im am pleasantly baffled...

looks like i will finally be able to switch to X by years end. wow. applications just pop up when i launch them. menus respond as soon as i click. and things can only get better in the next few months while apple tunes and refines it even more.

the only little problem is the window resizing...but i guess you cant ask too much from G3. hey apple, have an option to turn off live resizing, sorta like itunes does it...

wow...

DaveGee · Jun 25, 2003, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by jokell82:
If someone wants to send me a link to a samba share I can tell you how it works. I don't have multiple users set up, but later on tonight I can check the restart thing...

Anyone want any screenshots of something specific?

That would be great... looking forward to the results of the multi-user test...

As for screenshots...

How about the VPN setup / activation (system-pref)

Also are printers still added via the 'Print Center App' or via the system-pref panel?

Thanks

Dave

TC · Jun 25, 2003, 08:35 AM

On a B&W G3 with only 128MB it feels pretty good.

Check out Image Capture you can now share capture devices even over the internet!

P.S. Was it a bad move sending the registration to Apple with my correct details?

Nathan Adams · Jun 25, 2003, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by jokell82:
If someone wants to send me a link to a samba share I can tell you how it works. I don't have multiple users set up, but later on tonight I can check the restart thing...

Anyone want any screenshots of something specific?

yes! save dialogs please!
Finder prefs (or Finder in general) and FontBook wouldn't go astray either

jokell82 · Jun 25, 2003, 08:36 AM

Printers are still added via the print center. I'm not sure where the VPN preference is, though...

- - e r i k - - · Jun 25, 2003, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by Nathan Adams:
yes! save dialogs please!
Finder prefs (or Finder in general) and FontBook wouldn't go astray either

Save dialog shots are in my thread a long with a crapload of others.

jokell82 · Jun 25, 2003, 08:53 AM

FontBook:

Finder Prefs:

jokell82 · Jun 25, 2003, 08:59 AM

Save Dialogs:

bgmccollum · Jun 25, 2003, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by TC:
On a B&W G3 with only 128MB it feels pretty good.

Check out Image Capture you can now share capture devices even over the internet!

P.S. Was it a bad move sending the registration to Apple with my correct details?

luckily i have a gig of ram. my only hickup i had was with my ati nexus ga that i use for my second monitor. at the time of installation, i didnt have my second monitor, and upon booting, it looked as if it was hanging or trying to display everything on the nexus instead of the rage 128. so i yanked the card and everything was fine.

Diggory Laycock · Jun 25, 2003, 09:01 AM

To clarify my earlier Q:

I don't care about setting the default browser - I care about the user being able to set the other protocol helpers. (e.g. FTP, Carracho, Gopher

Etc...)

Currently (in Jag) Apple's LaunchServices API for setting these preferences is Private.

So Finder can happily set itself as the preferred FTP handler, which Safari and other apps will hand FTP URLs to - but the user has no way of changing this to their own preferred client: (e.g. Panic's Transmit or FTPeel.)

TC · 09:10 AM

I just connected to a PC disk from my machine.
It didn't show up in the network folder and I had to add it manually. After I had it showed up next to all the other disks on my machine.

The good news is that shutting down the PC didn't give any spinning beachballs, finder just carried on working. It removed it from my desktop when I tried to access it but it is still next to the other disks in the finder and if I try to click on it I get a message that the alias can't be opened as it can't find the original item.

Check out the channels in Sherlock as well.

Yessss, show item info now shows you jpg file sizes!!!

Nathan Adams · Jun 25, 2003, 09:18 AM

cheers guys
does Font Book have a print option?
be nice to print some decent sample pages (I'm not a fan of Suitcase's...)

jokell82 · Jun 25, 2003, 09:20 AM

There is no print option in the font book...

jokell82 · Jun 25, 2003, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by Diggory Laycock:
I don't care about setting the default browser - I care about the user being able to set the other protocol helpers. (e.g. FTP, Carracho, Gopher Etc...)

I can't find any of these options in Panther. Really sucks, as I'd rather not have the Finder handle my ftp stuff...

Any other questions/requests?

stew · Jun 25, 2003, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by murk:
FunMac Forums says Classic does not work. Is this true for you ?

No more Classic would suck big time. Photoshop 5 does all I need for me, I don't want to be forced to a $$$ upgrade just because Apple is revmoving features from 10.2 to 10.3.

Gee4orce · Jun 25, 2003, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by stew:
No. It is not snappy

Care to re-assess your signature ?

I wonder if the speed that's being reported is because there's stuff missing - ie. this is a cut-down distribution of the OS. Can anyone confirm that everything seems present and correct ?

Can someone load a few apps and post a top output ?

disco_stu · Jun 25, 2003, 09:41 AM

Thanks for the screenshots guys!

Would someone be so kind as to post that sweet aqua blue desktop background that's in the pics (like in http://homepage.mac.com/jshier/Switch.jpg)? Please!?!?

jokell82 · Jun 25, 2003, 09:41 AM

Here's my top with System Prefs, Terminal (obviously), iChat, Safari, Mail.app, Preview, and Transmit running:

jokell82 · Jun 25, 2003, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by disco_stu:
Thanks for the screenshots guys!

Would someone be so kind as to post that sweet aqua blue desktop background that's in the pics (like in http://homepage.mac.com/jshier/Switch.jpg)? Please!?!?

Didn't come with my copy of Panther...