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Severed Hand of Skywalker · Sep 5, 2003, 01:45 AM

http://cube.ign.com/articles/436/436343p1.html

And they are wondering why they don't even need to make the systems anymore

BasketofPuppies · Sep 5, 2003, 01:48 AM

Come on, Pikmin 2 is hardly a high profile game.

Find me one person who has decided not to buy a 'Cube because they won't be able to get Pikmin 2 this year.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Sep 5, 2003, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by BasketofPuppies:
Come on, Pikmin 2 is hardly a high profile game.

Find me one person who has decided not to buy a 'Cube because they won't be able to get Pikmin 2 this year.

Your right but just about every game they come out with is delayed about 8 months.

So far nintendo seems to be selling to old nintendo fans like myself, with this many delays and fewer games on the market they can't afford not to have these suckers out on time.

Adam Betts · Sep 5, 2003, 02:15 AM

"A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever" -Shiggy Miyamoto

'nuf said

BasketofPuppies · Sep 5, 2003, 03:53 AM

Tell that to the people who waited for Devil May Cry 2.

starman · Sep 5, 2003, 08:18 AM

Knights of the Old Republic was 4 months late, and I'm glad it was.

Mike

mitchell_pgh · Sep 5, 2003, 08:45 AM

I'm defiantly on the "just make sure it's correct the first time" team.

disco_stu · Sep 5, 2003, 08:56 AM

I've been waiting an eternity for 1080:Avalanche. I really enjoyed the original on the N64.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Sep 5, 2003, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by BasketofPuppies:
Tell that to the people who waited for Devil May Cry 2.

scaught · Sep 5, 2003, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
"A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever" -Shiggy Miyamoto

'nuf said

are you sure that was the quote? i always thought it was "a late game is only late til it ships, a bad game is bad forever"

anyway. any nintendo "fan" should be used to this. this is par for the course, historically speaking.

Immortal K-Mart Employee · Sep 5, 2003, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by scaught:
anyway. any nintendo "fan" should be used to this. this is par for the course, historically speaking.

It is also the reason the N64 did so badly and now the gamecube is turning out to be a bomb even though it has a few really good games.

Jansar · Sep 5, 2003, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Immortal K-Mart Employee:
It is also the reason the N64 did so badly and now the gamecube is turning out to be a bomb even though it has a few really good games.

Exactly!

I know that the GameCube is easily the best console out there, HOWEVER because of this reason (always late), the sales are the lowest out of all the consoles out there. They also release their systems with very few games. They should release the system with several dynamite games to get the sales rolling.

Nintendo may be great with technology, but the company's business skills are way below par.

funkboy · Sep 5, 2003, 01:50 PM

"A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever" -Shigeru Miyamoto

Are you on a nickname basis with this guy? If not, I suggest using his full name

And yes, listen to that master... Miyamoto has more hits than anyone else, so he knows something... more than me, anyway.

starman · Sep 5, 2003, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Jansar:
Exactly!

I know that the GameCube is easily the best console out there, HOWEVER because of this reason (always late), the sales are the lowest out of all the consoles out there. They also release their systems with very few games. They should release the system with several dynamite games to get the sales rolling.

Nintendo may be great with technology, but the company's business skills are way below par.

Best? It might have some of the best games, but the machine's not best by a longshot.

Mike

signal68 · Sep 5, 2003, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Jansar:
Exactly!

I know that the GameCube is easily the best console out there

Disagree. The best console is the one with the best games. GC has **** for racing games, and it doesn't have GTA. Screw GC.

- Ca$h

Adam Betts · Sep 5, 2003, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by scaught:
are you sure that was the quote? i always thought it was "a late game is only late til it ships, a bad game is bad forever"

There's several version of that quote because several people translated it from Japanese to English.

Originally posted by funkboy:
Are you on a nickname basis with this guy? If not, I suggest using his full name

He like to be called Shiggy

Adam Betts · Sep 5, 2003, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by signal68:
Disagree. The best console is the one with the best games. GC has **** for racing games, and it doesn't have GTA. Screw GC.

<sarcasm> GTA was a very innovative game </sarcasm>

Immortal K-Mart Employee · Sep 5, 2003, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by starman:
Best? It might have some of the best games, but the machine's not best by a longshot.

Mike

XBox has the best hardware, PS2 has the most games and CameCube has some of the best games but a limited selection.

Peter · Sep 5, 2003, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by Immortal K-Mart Employee:
XBox has the best hardware, PS2 has the most games and CameCube has some of the best games but a limited selection.

XBox has best hardware, PS2 has most games, Gamecube has a mixture of both.

Jansar · Sep 5, 2003, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by starman:
Best? It might have some of the best games, but the machine's not best by a longshot.

Mike

Although I meant best games, the console's still more powerful than the PS2, plus its almost as powerful as the Xbox and a fraction of the size.

GameCube has all of the Nintendo classics. Those alone are better than any of the Xbox and PS2 games (except Halo).

AND, GameCube has Metroid Prime!!!

signal68 · Sep 5, 2003, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
<sarcasm> GTA was a very innovative game </sarcasm>

Actually it really was. I sense jealousy from your direction.

- Ca$h

Adam Betts · Sep 5, 2003, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by signal68:
Actually it really was. I sense jealousy from your direction.

Some examples would be great

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Sep 5, 2003, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by Jansar:
Although I meant best games, the console's still more powerful than the PS2, plus its almost as powerful as the Xbox and a fraction of the size.

Ya but the hard drive is to die for.

starman · Sep 5, 2003, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by Jansar:
Although I meant best games, the console's still more powerful than the PS2, plus its almost as powerful as the Xbox and a fraction of the size.

GameCube has all of the Nintendo classics. Those alone are better than any of the Xbox and PS2 games (except Halo).

AND, GameCube has Metroid Prime!!!

Almost as powerful as the Xbox?

Yeah, you gotta love the Gamecube's hard drive, Dolby Digital 5.1 audio output and 1080i HDTV.

Oh, that's right, IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT.

But it has Metroid Prime. oooooooooooooooooooooooooh

Mike

starman · Sep 5, 2003, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
<sarcasm> GTA was a very innovative game </sarcasm>

I'm not a real fan of the game, but it really was pretty damn innovative. More than Metroid Prime <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan>.

Mike

wataru · Sep 5, 2003, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by signal68:
Disagree. The best console is the one with the best games. GC has **** for racing games, and it doesn't have GTA. Screw GC.

- Ca$h

You're exactly right about the best console being the one with the best games. Unfortunately, racing games all suck, and GTA is not good enough to make up for every other systems' lack of Metroid and Zelda, among other things.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Sep 5, 2003, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by starman:

But it has Metroid Prime. oooooooooooooooooooooooooh

Mike

Personally i would trade in my xbox just for metroid.

Adam Betts · 09:50 PM

Originally posted by starman:
I'm not a real fan of the game, but it really was pretty damn innovative. More than Metroid Prime <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan> <scan>.

Did you know that you don't have to scan? Scanning is only for those who are interested into Prime's story.

You said GTA is very innovative but failed to give any basic examples

starman · Sep 5, 2003, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Personally i would trade in my xbox just for metroid.

You obviously haven't started KotOR yet.

Mike

starman · Sep 5, 2003, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
Did you know that you don't have to scan? Scanning is only for those who are interested into Prime's story.

You said GTA is very innovative but failed to give any basic examples

Did I know I had to scan? Uh, that's something the game tells you to do.

Of course, how would YOU feel knowing half way through the game that you have to scan everything under the sun in order to get the best ending? Kinda pissed me off after dropping the $50 for it.

As for GTA, it's openness, the ability to do practically ANYTHING you want to, and the story are really the 3 main points of what made the game innovative.

Mike

ambush · Sep 5, 2003, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/436/436343p1.html

And they are wondering why they don't even need to make the systems anymore

Get a frigging LIFE man.

ambush · Sep 5, 2003, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by starman:
Almost as powerful as the Xbox?

Yeah, you gotta love the Gamecube's hard drive, Dolby Digital 5.1 audio output and 1080i HDTV.

Oh, that's right, IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT.

But it has Metroid Prime. oooooooooooooooooooooooooh

Mike

Yes but the cube is cute, small and light. I like the cube it just feels like a modern console..

wataru · Sep 5, 2003, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by starman:
you have to scan everything under the sun in order to get the best ending? Kinda pissed me off after dropping the $50 for it.

That is completely untrue. Scans have nothing to do with the ending.

ambush · Sep 5, 2003, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by starman:
Best? It might have some of the best games, but the machine's not best by a longshot.

Mike

who cares about performance, really? I mean as long as it does 3d with good textures (which the GC does *perfectly*).

I mean, for me the SNES is still better than the Xbox, and the xbox is like 2190x more powerful.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Sep 5, 2003, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by starman:
You obviously haven't started KotOR yet.

Mike

I did get it on the day it came out but like I mentioned I don't like it as I hate having to gain 2 knowledge points to open a door. Perhaps I will pick it up again some day and give it another shot.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Sep 5, 2003, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by ambush:
Get a frigging LIFE man.

Are you pissy because nobody likes the French? ESPECIALLY French Canadians

starman · Sep 5, 2003, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by wataru:
That is completely untrue. Scans have nothing to do with the ending.

Uh, wrong-o.

Multiple Endings and bonuses
Beat the game at 74% or less to get ending 1
Beat the game at 74-99% to get ending 2
Beat the game at 100% to get ending 3

From IGN.com

Mike

starman · Sep 5, 2003, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
I did get it on the day it came out but like I mentioned I don't like it as I hate having to gain 2 knowledge points to open a door. Perhaps I will pick it up again some day and give it another shot.

Oh, man..PLAY IT. It has a twist that makes Empire looks like Lilo and Stitch.

Mike

wataru · Sep 5, 2003, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by starman:
Uh, wrong-o.

From IGN.com

Mike

Uh, those are rates for collecting items. I've beaten it with 100% items and <100% scans, and then with both 100% and it was EXACTLY THE SAME.

starman · Sep 5, 2003, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by ambush:
who cares about performance, really? I mean as long as it does 3d with good textures (which the GC does *perfectly*).

I mean, for me the SNES is still better than the Xbox, and the xbox is like 2190x more powerful.

Ok, PLEASE be careful when you say "perfectly" because I've been playing Soul Calibur II for 4 days now and the GC has some serious, but uncommon issues with framerate and polygon drawing. Still better than the PS2, but it's not "perfect".

How is the SNES better than the Xbox? SNES doesn't have SSX Tricky.

Mike

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Sep 5, 2003, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by starman:
Uh, wrong-o.

From IGN.com

Mike

I don't think they mean scanning Mike. You have to collect a number of ITEMS. I didn't scan anything I didn't have too and I got 80%.

Scanning is just for fun if you want to follow the story.

starman · Sep 5, 2003, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by wataru:
Uh, those are rates for collecting items. I've beaten it with 100% items and <100% scans, and then with both 100% and it was EXACTLY THE SAME.

Well, either way, having to start the game AGAIN because they don't tell you right off the bat that you get the best ending depending on what you do is just cruel. Does N think we sit around playing videogames all day long?

Mike

wataru · Sep 5, 2003, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by starman:
Well, either way, having to start the game AGAIN because they don't tell you right off the bat that you get the best ending depending on what you do is just cruel. Does N think we sit around playing videogames all day long?

Mike

That's also completely wrong. You can get any and all items in the entire game at any point. You could get the bare minimum right up to the last boss, then go back and get the rest, and still beat it with 100% of the items.

This is how it's been with every Metroid game. It is not news.

starman · Sep 5, 2003, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by wataru:
That's also completely wrong. You can get any and all items in the entire game at any point. You could get the bare minimum right up to the last boss, then go back and get the rest, and still beat it with 100% of the items.

This is how it's been with every Metroid game. It is not news.

From deja:

I went through the game a second
time for the express purpose of getting all the log entries and I
missed one stupid creature that only appears in one place at one
certain point in the game and I couldn't get one of the image
galleries. I could kill Retro for that.

Mike

wataru · Sep 5, 2003, 10:28 PM

That's an IMAGE GALLERY, not an ending. If you want all the images, then yeah, it's a pain in the ass.

YOU DON'T NEED THE GODDAMN IMAGES TO ENJOY THE F-ING GAME.

I've unlocked all the images, and believe me, you aren't missing much. So if you claim that Metroid Prime sucks because it's hard to get 25% of the bonus artwork, then you are stupid.

starman · Sep 5, 2003, 10:30 PM

Well, I never finished it anyway. Something came out that same week that pulled me away from it.

Mike

wataru · Sep 5, 2003, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by starman:
Well, I never finished it anyway. Something came out that same week that pulled me away from it.

Mike

So you're pooh-poohing a game that you never even played through all the way because you heard misinformation over the internet? That's some credibility right there.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Sep 5, 2003, 11:08 PM

Oh Mike are you actually saying Halo is a better single player game then Metroid?

Adam Betts · Sep 5, 2003, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by starman:
Well, I never finished it anyway. Something came out that same week that pulled me away from it.

That's a lame excuse.

You're truly misinformed and what's even worse is that you didn't even check if what other people said is true.

starman · Sep 5, 2003, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Oh Mike are you actually saying Halo is a better single player game then Metroid?

I can say that Metroid couldn't keep my attention long enough to finish it.

At least Halo didn't crash on me.

Mike