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timmerk · Sep 7, 2006, 10:12 PM

What's going on here Bare Bones? You brag about the new interface and when I go and look, it's even worse? I thought you were going to do a real revamp, but no.

And how do I make those huge icons in the toolbar smaller? The prefs are just as cluttered as before. The only good thing I see is code folding.

Come on. It's time to rewrite it, don't you think? Perhaps with v9.. is that coming out soon?

OreoCookie · Sep 8, 2006, 04:29 AM

I also quickly tried it out. They advertise code folding as a feature …�but it seems to be `manual' code folding, i. e. you select something and then select Fold

After using TextMate for quite some time now, I'm underwhelmed

alphasubzero949 · Sep 9, 2006, 05:37 AM

BBEdit and TextWrangler should have been put out to pasture a long time ago, preferably in the same casket with OS 9.

There are already enough text editors in OS X. Apple even gave them to you for free as part of the installation.

Peter · Sep 9, 2006, 03:41 PM

its fast.
Besides that, it blows. Its so out dated and a nice example of how old and crappy Carbon really is.

Chuckit · Sep 9, 2006, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by alphasubzero949

BBEdit and TextWrangler should have been put out to pasture a long time ago, preferably in the same casket with OS 9.

There are already enough text editors in OS X. Apple even gave them to you for free as part of the installation.

Not really. There's emacs (lol), pico (rofl), vi (wtf?) and TextEdit (uh…yeah). None of these provide a decent combination of user-friendliness and power.

techtrucker · Sep 9, 2006, 04:48 PM

The only people that can truly appreciate BBEdit, sadly, are users who explore, and have a need for, it's advanced features. It is still an indispensable tool to many...

Millennium · Sep 9, 2006, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Peter

its fast.
Besides that, it blows. Its so out dated and a nice example of how old and crappy Carbon really is.

Care to elaborate, or is this just a Cocoa-troll?

techtrucker · Sep 9, 2006, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

I also quickly tried it out. They advertise code folding as a feature …but it seems to be `manual' code folding, i. e. you select something and then select Fold

It may depend on the language you're working with, with Objective-C files BBEdit places disclosure triangles next to each funtion...here's a screenshot.

http://eagle.he.net/~sjwood/misc/folding.jpg

OreoCookie · Sep 9, 2006, 05:06 PM

Ah, ok, then that's similar to TextMate's code folding. However, it didn't work out of the box with my LaTeX sample document.

techtrucker · Sep 9, 2006, 06:25 PM

Yeah, besides some web stuff I use BBEdit a lot for ObjC files, wasn't sure about it's behavior with other languages.

OreoCookie · Sep 9, 2006, 06:37 PM

@techtrucker
I'm curious, have you tried TextMate?

techtrucker · Sep 9, 2006, 06:40 PM

No, I haven't. Not for any particular reason, I guess I've been content with the tools I've been using. But now you've got me intrigued, and I will have to download it and check it out!

besson3c · Sep 9, 2006, 08:59 PM

Yeah, I'm probably going to ditch BBEdit too... Textmate looks far nicer, and is also far cheaper.

exca1ibur · Sep 9, 2006, 11:12 PM

BBEdit has no replacement for me, I didn't care for Textmate when I tried it.

OreoCookie · Sep 10, 2006, 06:38 AM

To everyone who tries TextMate, take a look at the webcasts if you can. The editor itself looks quite spartan at first, but once you get the hang of it, there is no editor I have tried which comes even close to it.

Projects are a nice way to manage your work. They don't have to reflect the actual file structure, but they can.

besson3c · Sep 10, 2006, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by exca1ibur

BBEdit has no replacement for me, I didn't care for Textmate when I tried it.

Just out of curiosity, what features does BBEdit have that are deal breakers for you? What keeps you using BBEdit?

techtrucker · Sep 10, 2006, 12:04 PM

For me it's just plain old familiarity, I've used it since v 2.x and know every keyboard shortcut, etc.

I will admit it's not as indispensable as it once was, back in the day there wasn't anything that could touch it.

exca1ibur · Sep 10, 2006, 02:29 PM

For me, mainly, the system wide GREP, multiple files anywhere, not just projects. I do GREP across folders, multiple open files, and sometimes servers. I dont have to create a project to manage these files I can manage them as I want myself, faster.

FTP browse now, was a big one for me since I open several files per server, very often.

The shell script integration.

The ASCII/HEX pallete comes in handy since I work with a lot of XML/HTML/XSL/XSLT/CSS files, and have to move back and forth often.

I LIKE the interface

I know the shortcuts.

File compare comes in handy as well.

Textmate felt more tooled towards people familiar with XCode, seeing how the projects are approached. For me thats not efficent on my workflow. I deal with PHP, SQL, Javascript, HTML, XML, XSL, and CSS mostly. BBedit fills that workflow for me better, not to say Textmate is a bad app, I can see why some people like it.