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aberdeenwriter · Oct 27, 2004, 08:09 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...lth/index.html

Close aide: Arafat in critical condition

Doctors trying to determine whether he should go to a hospital

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 Posted: 6:44 PM EDT (2244 GMT)
Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat

(CNN) -- Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat was in critical condition late Wednesday after his health deteriorated through the course of the day, Palestinian officials said.

I wish he recovers to live a long and repentive life struggling to undo the damage he has done to his people as well as the Israelis.

aberdeenwriter · Oct 27, 2004, 10:12 PM

I think it's worth mentioning that all Muslims aren't Fuzzy Brained.

Here's a page from one of the links in vmarks sig.

http://www.freemuslims.org/issues/dont-blame-jews.php

Our Positions

Don't Blame the "Jews"

"Another disturbing trend that is heavily propagated by extremists and accepted by many naive Arabs and Muslims is the blaming of all Muslim problems on the Jews There are numerous examples for this but most recently news broadcasts out of Iraq quoted Iraqi victims of violence who blamed the bombings on Jews or a Jewish conspiracy.

Many Arabs and Muslims still blame the 9-11 attacks on a Jewish conspiracy that was allegedly perpetrated to demonize Arabs and Muslims in the eyes of the world.

One of the most recent and tragic examples of unjustified hate towards Jews was the brutal murder of Daniel Pearl. Daniel Pearl was a journalist murdered by Islamic extremists in Pakistan who had never met a Jew, and the only knowledge they had about Jews was the tireless propaganda from Muslim extremists throughout the world blaming Jews for all of the worls problems. The extremists targeted and murdered Daniel Pearl because he was a Jew.

Our research indicates that one of the modern origins of this trend is the mutual demonization by Israelis and Arabs of each other to gain global support for each othes causes. This pattern includes the Arab medis ceaseless reference to the falsified document, the Protocols of Zion. The Coalition strongly urges Muslims and Arabs to refrain from demonizing Jews and stop blaming Jews for all of the worls problems. The Coalition also urges Israelis to stop demonizing Arabs and Muslims who peacefully advocate for the rights of Palestinians. "

And for those who may have missed it, here's vmark's excellent thread starter!

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...oderate+muslim

Taliesin · Oct 28, 2004, 04:15 AM

Originally posted by aberdeenwriter:

Don't Blame the "Jews"

Indeed many arabic muslims, I guess about 60%, blame the jews for many problems. I think it's due to lack of proper and sufficient education, history, information and knowledge. If the knew it better they would blame the problems on the US-foreign policy, of which even the jews are just victims that were instrumentalised.

But ultimately they should also blame themselves that they have allowed the US-foreign-policy to mess in their affairs.

Taliesin

Taliesin · Oct 28, 2004, 05:43 AM

I think Arafat is dying, if God wills. When that happens finally, it will look like to the palestinians like the house-arrest Israel has imposed him, has killed him.

Exciting and dangerous, but also potential, times are ahead for both, Israel and Palestine.

Taliesin

greenamp · Oct 28, 2004, 06:41 AM

*puts tin foil hat on*

Reports say he went unconscious shortly after eating some soup. Sounds like a_Mossad job to me

gerbnl · Oct 28, 2004, 08:16 AM

At least i had the good taste to restrain myself from posting a caustic reaction to all de

smilies that popped up in posts at several recent deaths...

Here the cheerleaders are already warming themselves up to the festivities if Yasser Arafat dies... I guess Fidel Castro's death will be rewarded with a similar enthousiasm.

Damn, you guys are really letting the world know who (and moreover what) you are, huh?

eklipse · Oct 28, 2004, 10:22 AM

It will be interesting to see what new excuses Israel can come up with for torpedoing peace talks once Arafat croaks.

eklipse · Oct 28, 2004, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by Taliesin:
Indeed many arabic muslims, I guess about 60%, blame the jews for many problems. I think it's due to lack of proper and sufficient education, history, information and knowledge. If the knew it better they would blame the problems on the US-foreign policy, of which even the jews are just victims that were instrumentalised.

But ultimately they should also blame themselves that they have allowed the US-foreign-policy to mess in their affairs.

Well said. Particularly the last part.

aberdeenwriter · Oct 28, 2004, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by gerbnl:
At least i had the good taste to restrain myself from posting a caustic reaction to all de smilies that popped up in posts at several recent deaths...

Here the cheerleaders are already warming themselves up to the festivities if Yasser Arafat dies... I guess Fidel Castro's death will be rewarded with a similar enthousiasm.

Damn, you guys are really letting the world know who (and moreover what) you are, huh?

So, who has cheered?

greenamp's comment speculated as to the cause.

His donning the tin foil hat and use of 'winky' could be a comment on:

1. Tongue in cheek way of recognizing his deliberate conspiracy theory suggestion.

2. Diluting the impact of a seriously meant suggestion of Mossad culpability.

3. The irony of eating soup (commonly used to help make someone feel better) and feeling worse.

4. The possibility that the dynamic might just change for the better with Arafat's passing.

Or maybe NONE of these are true.

One of the things I strenuously try to resist is jumping to conclusions.

itai195 · Oct 28, 2004, 02:42 PM

I don't cheer for anyone's death. But there's no doubt that removing Arafat from the picture in Palestine will remove a major roadblock toward peace, presuming he's not replaced with someone even worse.

eklipse · Oct 28, 2004, 02:53 PM

There's a 'bigger', Israeli, roadblock that needs removing.

itai195 · Oct 28, 2004, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by eklipse:
There's a 'bigger', Israeli, roadblock that needs removing.

Fortunately he can be removed using a more democratic process

PacHead · Oct 28, 2004, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by itai195:
Fortunately he can be removed using a more democratic process

It doesn't matter who the Israeli leader is. Israel has rotated through countless leaders, and people who enjoy blowing up jews will continue to do so regardless of who the leader is.

As for the old geezer/terrorist arafat, his death is most certainly welcome and long overdue, though I doubt it will change much.

eklipse · Oct 28, 2004, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by itai195:
Fortunately he can be removed using a more democratic process

Let's hope so.

PacHead · Oct 28, 2004, 03:32 PM

Arafat is going to paris now, lol.

Maybe the frenchie doctors can cleanse the man of his ills. Maybe not.

greenamp · Oct 28, 2004, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by gerbnl:
At least i had the good taste to restrain myself from posting a caustic reaction to all de smilies that popped up in posts at several recent deaths...

Here the cheerleaders are already warming themselves up to the festivities if Yasser Arafat dies... I guess Fidel Castro's death will be rewarded with a similar enthousiasm.

Damn, you guys are really letting the world know who (and moreover what) you are, huh?

Are you "fo reals?" Arafat is a terrorist. If he dies I say good riddance. The peace process in Israel would be benefitted by his demise.

lil'babykitten · Oct 28, 2004, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by itai195:
I don't cheer for anyone's death. But there's no doubt that removing Arafat from the picture in Palestine will remove a major roadblock toward peace, presuming he's not replaced with someone even worse.

I initially thought so too but, further analysis of the political situation in Palestine shows that there is no real successor to Arafat, especially someone that can unite the Palestinians in a way that Arafat has achieved. If he dies I think there will be a huge crisis there.

Dale Sorel · Oct 28, 2004, 05:05 PM

I think the time for planting Arafat is long overdue

itai195 · Oct 28, 2004, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
I initially thought so too but, further analysis of the political situation in Palestine shows that there is no real successor to Arafat, especially someone that can unite the Palestinians in a way that Arafat has achieved. If he dies I think there will be a huge crisis there.

You're right. The hope is that we move in a positive direction once he passes on, but there's no guarantee.

villalobos · Oct 28, 2004, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by greenamp:
Are you "fo reals?" Arafat is a terrorist. If he dies I say good riddance. The peace process in Israel would be benefitted by his demise.

Just like the fall of Saddam Hussein would bring a stable prosperous Iraq huh?

aberdeenwriter · Oct 28, 2004, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by villalobos:
Just like the fall of Saddam Hussein would bring a stable prosperous Iraq huh?

Should we conclude your post supports the continuation of Arafat's performance/policies?

And Saddam's?

Saad · Oct 28, 2004, 11:01 PM

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_386737.htm

I don't want to will or jostle for anyone's death. Arafat leaving the PA might make it politically possible for the government to negotiate.

aberdeenwriter · Oct 30, 2004, 05:38 PM

You know that photo of Arafat in the wheelchair wearing the blue outfit and the little cap?

He reminds me of Papa Smurf!

LOLOL

CreepingDeth · Oct 30, 2004, 05:44 PM

Boo hoo. I have no sympathy for the man.

Isaac · Oct 30, 2004, 05:59 PM

hmm... at some point there were more prominent (state-)socialist/communist and anarchist elements within the Palistenian resistance... with a fracturing of the PA, there might be room for such elements, specificly anarchist, to resurface.... but really, I think the only good solution to this issue is for Palistenians and Israeli's to unite against the PA, Hezoballah, and Israeli government... I don't know enough about Hamas's specific policys or tactics to condemn them... though they would probably be an oppostion in the case of revolution, rather then just insurrection...

I don't know the results of Arafats death and won't pertend to know... but potentialy it could be very very good.... Hezoballa is no better then Israel, and I don't think that the PA is either....

aberdeenwriter · Oct 30, 2004, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Boo hoo. I have no sympathy for the man.

Hey, Bolivia!

Good for you!

CreepingDeth · Oct 30, 2004, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by aberdeenwriter:
Hey, Bolivia!

Good for you!

Hasta La Victoria Siempre!

But seriously, why should I pity a terrorist?

aberdeenwriter · Oct 30, 2004, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by CreepingDeth:
Hasta La Victoria Siempre!

But seriously, why should I pity a terrorist?

I support your expressing yourself however you wish as long as it is legal and doesn't get you banned.

As I said, I hope Arafat reflects on the harm he's done.

I understand the wish for him to pass from the scene. Progress towards peace might result.

villalobos · Oct 30, 2004, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by aberdeenwriter:
Should we conclude your post supports the continuation of Arafat's performance/policies?

And Saddam's?

No just the fact that the US should stay away from trying to solve these problems, at least as long as Bush is leading....

don't have much sympathy for Saddam or Arafat, no more or no less than for Dubbya.

Logic · Oct 30, 2004, 06:44 PM

Wonder how long it'll take before the truth about Arafat's "illness" comes out.......

CreepingDeth · Oct 30, 2004, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by aberdeenwriter:
I support your expressing yourself however you wish as long as it is legal and doesn't get you banned.

As I said, I hope Arafat reflects on the harm he's done.

I understand the wish for him to pass from the scene. Progress towards peace might result.

First, I doubt the man will be like the prisoners who suddenly become Christians, and I don't think this is going to cause a decline in bombings. Hopefully, he stay in Paris for awhile and maybe someone who isn't a terrorist bastard can take over. Israel won't back down, so it looks like Palestine will have to.

Arafat and Osama are both terrorist bastards, so I don't see how anyone gets teary of the meatbag's health. He's an evil man, so just because he's seen as a leader doesn't mean I have to care if he gets out there without a sheet over his head.
But considering the audience here, you can hear the crying.

OreoCookie · Oct 30, 2004, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by aberdeenwriter:
I think it's worth mentioning that all Muslims aren't Fuzzy Brained.

Here's a page from one of the links in vmarks sig.

http://www.freemuslims.org/issues/dont-blame-jews.php

Our Positions
...

What does that have to do with Arafat in hospital?

swrate · Oct 30, 2004, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Logic:
Wonder how long it'll take before the truth about Arafat's "illness" comes out.......

I scrolled a little faster through after i reached third post,
Yasser Arafat was not unconscious, said twice a few words, while loaded in ambulance, and once out, he looks terribly yellow though.
yesterday this was aired.,
i feel like sparing myself reading nasty lines right now.
so i am a troll.

Today, Le�la Shahid assured the press he did not have Leukaemia.

Splinter · Oct 30, 2004, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Logic:
Wonder how long it'll take before the truth about Arafat's "illness" comes out.......

hehe you think mossad?

Logic · Oct 30, 2004, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by Splinter:
hehe you think mossad?

I don't think that which I know

CreepingDeth · Oct 30, 2004, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by Logic:
I don't think that which I know

Care to back that up"
Sounds like a conspiracy theory.

Also glad to see you using an Osama quote. GJ. I can't tell whether it's that "Evil nationalism" thing goin on there, or whether you think Osama loves freedom.

Splinter · Oct 31, 2004, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by Logic:
I don't think that which I know

heh well I wouldnt rule it out or put it past them at all. however I'm going to give nature and God the benefit of the doubt and give them the credit for taking care of this POS

medicineman · Oct 31, 2004, 01:49 PM

How long does he have to wait for a referral from his primary physician?

Close aide: Arafat in critical condition

Doctors trying to determine whether he should go to a hospital

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 Posted: 6:44 PM EDT (2244 GMT)
Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat

(CNN) -- Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat was in critical condition late Wednesday after his health deteriorated through the course of the day, Palestinian officials said.

I wish he recovers to live a long and repentive life struggling to undo the damage he has done to his people as well as the Israelis. [/B][/QUOTE]

CreepingDeth · Oct 31, 2004, 01:55 PM

Undo damage? This asshole has spent his life doing the exact opposite of helping. This man has had his chance to stop the attacks. And when he gets back he will do the same thing he's been doing for the past 4 years.

I wish him a happy eternal slumber.

Isaac · Oct 31, 2004, 11:14 PM

and the same to sharon, bush, kerry and all the other ass hole politicians...

CreepingDeth · Oct 31, 2004, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by Isaac:
and the same to sharon, bush, kerry and all the other ass hole politicians...

Why would you hope them to die. Some are just stupid.

Arafat is a terrorist, so I hope he dies within the next year or so, by natural causes or otherwise.

Isaac · Oct 31, 2004, 11:29 PM

government is terrorism in it's very nature... that's what causes you to listen to the cops.... all four of them are murderers... and I think Kerry would have the hardest time denying it, as he has admitted to fighting a war that even he didn't think was just at the time he fought it... but they're all still murderers... Bush has waged a war for fictious reasons that has killed a single person who is not a consenting combatant, Sharon's policys in Palistein, and along with his command in during the Israeli invasion of Leabanon, Kerry fought in Vietnam and at the very least claims to of went to Cambodia to fight, and Yasser Arifat for his aid to indiscriminate suicide bombers.. and I don't know if the PA is as bad to the palistianians as hezoballa, but I doubt they are much better...

swrate · Nov 4, 2004, 02:58 PM

yah

9 years after Itzac Rabbin, waiting for the creation of Palestinia and for a stop to refugee camps....could this one day be true?
life under seclusion is probably horror.
So lets see a beginning of negotiations and end such dark times, or worser episodes are to come.

so many questions in my mind.

RAILhead · Nov 4, 2004, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Isaac:
and the same to sharon, bush, kerry and all the other ass hole politicians...

I thought "ass hole" was one word...

Maury

Logic · Nov 4, 2004, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by Isaac:
and the same to sharon, bush, kerry and all the other ass hole politicians...

Saying Kerry and Bush deserve the same fate is a bit over the top. But for Sharon? That murderous pig deserves the same fate as all the Arabs and Palestinians he has slaughtered.

The only chance for peace in the Palestine/Israel conflict is the death of these two. And to think that Americans voted for a man that claimed Sharon was a man of peace

aberdeenwriter · Nov 4, 2004, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by Logic:
Wonder how long it'll take before the truth about Arafat's "illness" comes out.......

Are you insinuating Arafat has AIDS?

PacHead · Nov 4, 2004, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by aberdeenwriter:
Are you insinuating Arafat has AIDS?

While his wife has been living the posh life in Vichy, erm Chirac France, and spending all of the Palestinian people's money, Arafat has to have been getting it on with somebody/something.

aberdeenwriter · Nov 4, 2004, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by Logic:
I don't think that which I know

You have no proof of that! I checked the news services and there's nothing! Show your links! This is nothing but BS hype and speculation designed to smear the Israeli's. What are your sources? Why didn't you stop the Mossad if you KNOW it was them? Why did you wait until now to say anything?

aberdeenwriter · Nov 4, 2004, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by PacHead:
While his wife has been living the posh life in Vichy, erm Chirac France, and spending all of the Palestinian people's money, Arafat has to have been getting it on with somebody/something.

Logic said, "I don't think that which I know."

You don't suppose that Logic was working with the Mossad, do you?

Zimphire · Nov 4, 2004, 05:34 PM

The evil has been gnawing away at him for years.