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Jun 13, 2017, 09:09 AM
 
http://www.cleanlabelproject.org/pro...ings/pet-food/

I never realized what crap they are putting in pet foods!
     
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Jun 13, 2017, 09:30 AM
 
http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/

Much more comprehensive, more foods listed, more details on every food and ingredient.
     
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Jun 13, 2017, 09:47 AM
 
I remember this getting talked about on Art Bell back in the 90s.

It got more more people freaked out than any other show he ever did. By an order of magnitude.
     
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Jun 13, 2017, 09:59 AM
 
Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/

Much more comprehensive, more foods listed, more details on every food and ingredient.
Its JUST dog foods, no cat foods.
     
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Jun 13, 2017, 10:00 AM
 
I haven't heard the name Art Bell in a long time. He was the UFO guy on at night?
     
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Jun 13, 2017, 10:06 AM
 
That's him.
     
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Jun 13, 2017, 10:13 AM
 
Of course, eating your own species is a health risk, and that risk was the focus of the show.

However, someone asked if it was a problem with humans who ate it.

The woman being interviewed showed her Canadian colors by being utterly incredulous humans eat pet food. Very much an "oh, my sweet summer child" moment for this person who had been hurling truth bombs the entire night.
     
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Jun 13, 2017, 10:31 AM
 
Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
Its JUST dog foods, no cat foods.
"I'm looking for good dog food reviews."

"Check out this site, it has mediocre dog food reviews, AND cat food reviews!"
     
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Jun 13, 2017, 10:35 AM
 
IIRC, any ingredient which has the word "meal" in it (e.g. bone meal) came off a rendering truck, and could therefore contain anything.

It's possible by now they've renamed things.


I give my cats Fancy Feast because they love it, even though I'm sure it's crap. They're 18 and 22, so they get what they want at this point.
     
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Jun 13, 2017, 10:49 AM
 
Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
"I'm looking for good dog food reviews."

"Check out this site, it has mediocre dog food reviews, AND cat food reviews!"
Who said "I'm looking for good dog food reviews"?
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Jun 13, 2017, 10:58 AM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
I give my cats Fancy Feast because they love it, even though I'm sure it's crap. They're 18 and 22, so they get what they want at this point.
If it's working for them, absolutely.

We give our dog expensive holistic select and a probiotic every other day.
     
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Jun 13, 2017, 11:07 AM
 
Royal Canin is good. Pretty sure it's dogmeat-free.

Our dog was allergic to everything, so she got their venison and sweet potato mix.

IOW, she ate better than us.
     
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Jun 13, 2017, 11:20 AM
 
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Who said "I'm looking for good dog food reviews"?
Me.
     
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Jun 13, 2017, 12:17 PM
 
Whenever I hear the name Art Bell I think of Abe.

BadKosh being Abe would check a lot of boxes.
     
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Isn't Abe a black dude?
     
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Jun 13, 2017, 01:30 PM
 
This sounds as bad as the chicken jerky treat problem. What can we feed my dogs without killing them? I had to put a dog down three weeks ago because he wasn't recovering form pancreatitis. After reading this I hope it wasn't the food. We were feeding them Natural Balance.


What made is worse, is we lost his father a few weeks earlier. This was due to complications from Valley Fever he'd contracted. He was on fluconazol for over five years.

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Jun 13, 2017, 01:33 PM
 
Dude! I'm sorry! That sucks.
     
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Jun 13, 2017, 01:39 PM
 
I was made aware of this because a co-worker rescues ferrets, and my best buddy and his wife have an elderly abyssinian cat that has a special diet and drug requirements. My kitty passed away in 2004 and I won't get another. Too hard to say goodbye.
     
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Jun 13, 2017, 01:44 PM
 
Yeah... once these two go I'm thinking time to put a hold on the pets.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
Dude! I'm sorry! That sucks.
Thanks, it's been a rough few weeks, especially on my mom. We live a few houses down and was taking care of the both of them while we were at work.

I hate to think the food may have been the cause. My wife is already afraid of that because we started feeding them Fresh Pet after our female (his mom) was getting finicky. She hasn't shown any signs of illness. (knocks on wood).
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Jun 13, 2017, 02:39 PM
 
Sorry to hear about that Chongo. I don't even want to think about what'll happen when the big doofus (Ramses) dies, we're all so attached to him. It's like having a dog/cat hybrid with the best traits of each, hands down the most affectionate cat I've ever had.
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Jun 13, 2017, 03:22 PM
 
I'm always amazed that our cat Lilli managed to make her kittens from essentially ash with some other gunk thrown in. Still they all look fine.





Sadly our dog Pippa (who loved cheese) only made it to 14, passing away at the weekend. It's like a limb has gone missing.





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Jun 13, 2017, 03:38 PM
 
Sorry chongo. They look like nice pups.

pippa had beautiful eyes, doc.
     
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Jun 13, 2017, 04:37 PM
 
This was in my FB feed this morning.

8 Things Every Dog Owner Should Know When Their Pet Crosses The Rainbow Bridge
https://www.littlethings.com/know-before-dog-dies

The Vet at Madison Animal Hospital was amazing. We we in the room with both of them, as we were when it was my bud Oso's time. He was 16! Chango would be 14 in December, Chubby was 11. Chango was Chub's dad. We still have the mother, she just turned 13.
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
The Vet at Madison Animal Hospital was amazing.
And they do it day after day but never make it seem like anything less than important. Got to be the toughest part of the job.
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Jun 13, 2017, 08:56 PM
 
When we were leaving, Dr Starkel was in an exam room with a lady and her cat. She had that look on her face that said she was giving bad news. I don't know how they do it.
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Jun 13, 2017, 09:13 PM
 
Welp, time to change cat foods.
     
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Jun 14, 2017, 06:44 AM
 
interesting that of the 10 worst brands of dog food many were fish-based. Which says something about the pollution in our rivers/oceans.

and of the safest brands, I've never seen them in the pet store/online.

from laminar's link, it's a comprehensive breakdown of the manufacturer ingredients and what they mean... but they do not do testing for unwanted chemicals.
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Jun 14, 2017, 10:34 PM
 
Much human chow isnt much better
     
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Jun 15, 2017, 06:50 AM
 
It doesn't contain other humans though, so we have that going for us.

Which is nice.
     
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Jun 16, 2017, 07:59 PM
 
We use Royal Canin brand foods for both dogs and cats. They are very specific in what they put in their foods, and can trace each lot of each food to specific sources and lots of ingredients. They have NEVER had a recall that I can find record of. Good food leads to healthier pets, which leads to longer life and more snuggles with your fur family.

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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
interesting that of the 10 worst brands of dog food many were fish-based. Which says something about the pollution in our rivers/oceans.

and of the safest brands, I've never seen them in the pet store/online.
Our local grocery store carries the Rachel Ray stuff, it seems to rate highly and it's less than $20 for a bag. More than good enough for my free dog.
     
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Jun 23, 2017, 01:57 AM
 
Some cities allow for chickens to be raised/farmed in urban backyards. I'm thinking of it for the egg prospects and meat. I don't mind butchering a chicken.

As for feeding the chicken, I've watched a few youtube videos discussing feeding the chickens flax seed and other weird stuff. It's like feeding health food to chickens. My chickens will be able to roam the backyard for bugs, grass/weeds, and will only be fed corn, various seeds (sprouted or not), oatmeal, rice, and leftover kitchen scraps (including meat). The only supplement given will be oyster shell for calcium. Should be enough protein their diets.

Oh, I will also create a maggot farm where maggots will be raised for my chickens.
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Originally Posted by mindwaves View Post
Some cities allow for chickens to be raised/farmed in urban backyards. I'm thinking of it for the egg prospects and meat. I don't mind butchering a chicken.

As for feeding the chicken, I've watched a few youtube videos discussing feeding the chickens flax seed and other weird stuff. It's like feeding health food to chickens. My chickens will be able to roam the backyard for bugs, grass/weeds, and will only be fed corn, various seeds (sprouted or not), oatmeal, rice, and leftover kitchen scraps (including meat). The only supplement given will be oyster shell for calcium. Should be enough protein their diets.

Oh, I will also create a maggot farm where maggots will be raised for my chickens.
We kept chickens and ducks for about four years and absolutely loved them. We moved in to town two years back and it's no longer practical.

I'm not sure what we were thinking when we got them, but pretty quickly it became apparent none were ever going to slaughter. They had such personalities and were a joy to be around.

Lots and lots of eggs however. At the peak we were producing about a dozen a day. Many friends got many eggs.
     
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Jun 24, 2017, 10:40 AM
 
"We needed the eggs."
     
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Originally Posted by Paco500 View Post
We kept chickens and ducks for about four years and absolutely loved them. We moved in to town two years back and it's no longer practical.

I'm not sure what we were thinking when we got them, but pretty quickly it became apparent none were ever going to slaughter. They had such personalities and were a joy to be around.
The unexpected part of raising chickens. I've never owned any myself, but two of my friends are keeping quite a few on their land. They had a similar experience and developed some kind of crazy bond with a few of the chickens.

They both say the biggest downside is how many massive snakes are always crawling into the coop to get to the eggs.
     
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The wife and I brought home a rescue dog from the Maricopa County Petite Pet Project. I took him out to the bark yard yesterday morning to do his business and managed to step on an anthill. Lucky had some ants on him which my wife quickly got off, no bites. I, on the other hand, received multiple bites on my feet. The result was me in the ER after passing out in the bathroom with what may be a concussion and jacked up knees. Be careful this summer, the little black ants are out in force.

My sister posted this after she found out I was in the ER

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Jul 19, 2017, 02:08 PM
 
Awww... he's adorable!

Sorry about the allergy/wipeout though. Ouch.
     
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Jul 19, 2017, 02:35 PM
 
I HATE ants.

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I'd be slightly worried that'd hurt the dog. Especially since he's a tiny guy.
     
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I am very glad the ants in the NE are of the innocuous or carpenter kind, and do not bite.

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Yeah... Chicago ants will bite, but they need to get really mad first. I get maybe a single bite a year.
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
I HATE ants.

Solution:
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http://www.spectracide.com/solutions...ncentrate.aspx
We threw down some Andro ant bait. Our pest control guy is coming today. He will spray and throw down more ant bait.
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Monterey ant bait is good too, and waaay safer.
     
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Jul 19, 2017, 09:16 PM
 
Wow, Chongo, that was a tough day for you! I hope you're recovering well, and that you've gone nuclear - or at least chemical - on those ants.

I had ONE fire ant bite in Panama. My whole finger (I was picking something up off the ground) swelled up like a big sausage and it took a week for me to be able to move it properly again. Those are the "original" fire ants; by comparison those we have in Texas are mild in comparison.

With that said, ALL ants are venomous in some way. And it sounds like whatever ants you have are a kind that you're sensitive, if not allergic, to. So poison them to keep them from poisoning you again.

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Jul 19, 2017, 10:14 PM
 
I remember being stung by the big fuzzy black and red variety when I was a kid (we called them cow killer ants but I think they're technically a ground wasp) and it was excruciating. Hope you get better soon, Chongo.
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Ants in Texas and Florida fire ants are evil. We had to get benedryl for my daughter after she got bit in Texas several times, they liked her best I guess. I don't want to meet the ones in Panama!
     
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Ants in Texas and Florida fire ants are evil. We had to get benedryl for my daughter after she got bit in Texas several times, they liked her best I guess. I don't want to meet the ones in Panama!
Sounds like Leiningen Versus the Ants.
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