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Aug 2, 2018, 07:57 PM
 
Dijon mustard has gone mainstream since 1991.

     
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Yellow mustard is and will always be the mustard of the people.
     
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Aug 2, 2018, 10:48 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
I characterized Obama’s flub as “adorable” and Trump’s as “utterly disgusting”.

I’ve explicitly stated there’s a vast chasm between them. This question makes no sense to me.
How is it a flub? The latter two are people not knowing how the world works, Obama's was ordering a meal. It's apples and orange x1000000
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
Yellow mustard is and will always be the mustard of the people.
But it's FRENCH mustard! Freedom mustard?
     
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
But it's FRENCH mustard! Freedom mustard?
Au contraire.

     
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Aug 4, 2018, 03:49 AM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
How is it a flub?
This is politics. It doesn’t need to be a real flub. All it needs are the optics of one.

Edit: to clarify those optics, Obama is a member of the elite class. By behaving in a way reminiscent of a Grey Poupon commercial, he evoked this class, not the class the burger came from.
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Aug 4, 2018, 10:16 AM
 
Dijon mustard is middle class tops.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Aug 4, 2018, 10:45 AM
 
And it tastes a hell of a lot better on a burger than the yellow stuff does.
     
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Aug 4, 2018, 02:51 PM
 
That’s its own issue.

If you can’t shoot a burger straight, then it’s no good.
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
Dijon mustard is middle class tops.
It holds its position due to the ad campaign, and because it’s French.

Edit: “held” may be more appropriate. We’re talking about 10 years ago.
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Aug 5, 2018, 06:59 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
This is politics. It doesn’t need to be a real flub.
Ah, so you admit it's not a flub.

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All it needs are the optics of one.
Yeah, but who actually bought that then, let alone now? Also, that's the ****ing point here: NYT is trying to manufacture an Obama flub for the sake of both-sidesing a headline.

Here's the best part – I can give you an apple-to-apples fake flub between Obama and Trump: Obama using dijon on a burger and Trump liking steaks well-done and with ketchup.
     
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What makes the flubs not comparable is Dijon mustard has nothing to do with disenfranchisement, while IDs do.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
What makes the flubs not comparable is Dijon mustard has nothing to do with disenfranchisement, while IDs do.
     
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Aug 5, 2018, 08:01 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Ah, so you admit it's not a flub.
Of course it’s not a flub.

Just like a tan suit isn’t a flub, or a missing lapel pin isn’t a flub.

Yet, for all their justifiability, Obama decided not to double-down on any of these.

I submit this is because within the context of politics it isn’t reality which has the semantic grip on the word “flub”.
     
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This is the point of the article, which is why I object to it being characterized as illiberal. She’s smacking Trump... like hard.

The alternate headline may have been written with the intent to subvert this, but as I said, I think it’s more likely the result of a hack who thought they could slap a band-aid on the structural problems of the article.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
The alternate headline may have been written with the intent to subvert this, but as I said, I think it’s more likely the result of a hack who thought they could slap a band-aid on the structural problems of the article.
Considering you were complaining pretty hard about inaccurate headlines re: Trump tweets a few months ago, your mostly indifference to this is... puzzling.
     
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Aug 12, 2018, 07:07 PM
 
How is “second string writer botches attempt to fix structure of article” comparable to the argument I was making about the tweets?
     
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Aug 12, 2018, 07:45 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
How is “second string writer botches attempt to fix structure of article” comparable to the argument I was making about the tweets?
Because headlines are consumed far more often and easily than the articles they represent?
     
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Aug 18, 2018, 12:32 PM
 
Boston Globe gets bomb threats after criticizing Trumps war on the media. Boston Globe and NYT are owned by same company. Papers from across the nation weighed in, both conservative and liberal.


https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...?p1=HP_freedom
     
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Sep 22, 2018, 12:24 AM
 
NYT seems to have bought some GOP disinformation on Rosenstein hook, line, and sinker. Not sure how it got to publish when Wapo was able to get proper context on it within an hour or two.

Someone was trying to goad Trump into firing Rosenstein and the NYT recklessly bought it.
     
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Did the victims deserve it? You be the judge with this handy guide.
     
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Who are they quoting in the title?
     
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1082732743975407616

Breaking News: Paul Manafort, an ex-Trump aide, discussed internal polling data during the 2016 race with a man tied to Russian intelligence, prosecutors say
"ex-Trump aide" is an interesting way to frame "Trump Campaign Manager"
     
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He was just a coffee boy. NBD.
     
 
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