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besson3c · Dec 22, 2010, 06:12 PM

Is it possible to share the internet collection of an iPad with 3G cell service with Mac laptops and other devices?

I've come across info about this being a feature in an iOS 4.2 beta, about tethering between an iPad and an iPhone, but the current status of this capability is a little fuzzy.

Anybody?

Spheric Harlot · Dec 22, 2010, 06:27 PM

No.

Settings were added in b2, and removed again in b3.

besson3c · Dec 22, 2010, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

No.

Settings were added in b2, and removed again in b3.

That's a drag. Props to Froyo 2.2 for beating Apple to the punch with providing this very useful feature! My next phone might be an Android phone in part because of this huge benefit.

It's confusing that tethering is advertised on AT&T's website without any caveats that I can see though... Does AT&T provide some special proprietary device to allow tethering of any of their devices or something?

Spheric Harlot · Dec 22, 2010, 06:56 PM

What do you mean "beat Apple to the punch"?

iPhone has tethered for over a year now, while Google doesn't even HAVE a tablet OS yet.

besson3c · Dec 22, 2010, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

What do you mean "beat Apple to the punch"?

iPhone has tethered for over a year now, while Google doesn't even HAVE a tablet OS yet.

The iPhone supports tethering but iPad doesn't?

turtle777 · Dec 22, 2010, 07:02 PM

Yes.

-t

besson3c · Dec 22, 2010, 07:18 PM

Okay, I didn't know that... That's a little weird and seemingly arbitrary that the iPad doesn't as well, but thanks for filling me in!

Big Mac · Dec 22, 2010, 11:40 PM

To get iPhone tethering on AT&T you need to pay for the highest priced data plan and then pay an extra charge per month to tether.

subego · Dec 23, 2010, 12:09 AM

And permanently give up your unlimited data plan should you be lucky enough to have one.

Welcome to the AT&T experience.

The one nice thing is that AT&T is built into the iOS dictionary, so you only need to type "att" when you need sentences like...

AT&T sucks.
AT&T just dropped my call/text/MMS (choose more than one).
**** AT&T.

Wiskedjak · Dec 23, 2010, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

What do you mean "beat Apple to the punch"?

iPhone has tethered for over a year now, while Google doesn't even HAVE a tablet OS yet.

But, that still has strings attached to it. For example, you can't tether from an iPhone to an iPad, even though you can share an Android's 3G connection with an iPad.

Spheric Harlot · Dec 23, 2010, 02:16 AM

Yes, the iPhone can only tether via Bluetooth or USB.

With Android, you don't necessarily know whether you'll actually be able to tether at all, though, since the openness can just mean the freedom for carriers/manufacturers to lock it down and castrate it as they see fit (with important exceptions).

Wiskedjak · Dec 23, 2010, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

With Android, you don't necessarily know whether you'll actually be able to tether at all, though, since the openness can just mean the freedom for carriers/manufacturers to lock it down and castrate it as they see fit (with important exceptions).

True. For a platform that was designed to disempower the carriers, it's unfortunate that Google doesn't have the balls to prevent carrier modifications.

Well, at least I can jailbreak my iPhone and run MyWi. I'd much rather share out my 3G over WiFi than over bluetooth anyways ... so much more versatile.

-Q- · Dec 23, 2010, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

Well, at least I can jailbreak my iPhone and run MyWi. I'd much rather share out my 3G over WiFi than over bluetooth anyways ... so much more versatile.

That was the path I chose. No way was I giving up my unlimited data AND pay an extra US$20 a month for the "privilege" of tethering.

Big Mac · Dec 23, 2010, 10:53 AM

Does MyWi work on AT&T?

turtle777 · Dec 23, 2010, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

Well, at least I can jailbreak my iPhone and run MyWi. I'd much rather share out my 3G over WiFi than over bluetooth anyways ... so much more versatile.

Originally Posted by -Q-

That was the path I chose. No way was I giving up my unlimited data AND pay an extra US$20 a month for the "privilege" of tethering.

You guys ARE aware that AT&T knows what you are doing, right ?
Deep-packet inspection, anyone ?

Just wait for them to suddenly slap you with a $$$ bill for violating their T&Cs.

Thanks, I know that AT&T can be ruthless, that's why I'm not taking the risk.

-t

The Godfather · Dec 26, 2010, 03:58 PM

Deep packet inspection (a fancy term for watching your traffic with Wireshark), wouldn't work if you use the VPN feature of your phone.

turtle777 · Dec 26, 2010, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by The Godfather

Deep packet inspection (a fancy term for watching your traffic with Wireshark), wouldn't work if you use the VPN feature of your phone.

Yeah, but who has a setup like that ?

Very few who jailbreak and tether.

-t

The Godfather · Dec 26, 2010, 04:38 PM

I think there would be a high correlation between those who jailbreak and those who can install VPN in their home.

turtle777 · Dec 26, 2010, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by The Godfather

I think there would be a high correlation between those who jailbreak and those who can install VPN in their home.

Uhm, yeah, I highly doubt it. Jailbreaks are plug&play these days, a VPN is much more involved.

Plus, a hardware VPN router costs a lot of money. Jailbreakers are often people who wanna save money, and wouldn't spend $$$ on a hardware VPN router.

-t

The Godfather · Dec 26, 2010, 06:25 PM

VPN servers are free and caveman-easy. You start with "apt-get install...", and finish with "/etc/init.d/openvpn start". Isn't the jailbreaking community up to that level?

If not, we better start learning now, before we get our net newtrality ripped off.

Since when does Jailbreaking save you money?

turtle777 · Dec 26, 2010, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by The Godfather

VPN servers are free and caveman-easy. You start with "apt-get install...", and finish with "/etc/init.d/openvpn start". Isn't the jailbreaking community up to that level?

No, of course not, because like I said, jailbreaker have/need no skills these days.

-t

Spheric Harlot · Dec 26, 2010, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by The Godfather

Since when does Jailbreaking save you money?

Hang on, why did jailreaking even get mentioned again in this thread?

Spheric Harlot · Dec 26, 2010, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

True. For a platform that was designed to disempower the carriers, it's unfortunate that Google doesn't have the balls to prevent carrier modifications.

if that were its goal, Google would have simply added about five sentences to the licensing agreement.

No. Android's goal is maximum marketshare and maximum advertising and services revenue - nothing more.

Apple set out to disempower the carriers. Google is doing the opposite in exchange for marketshare.

turtle777 · Dec 26, 2010, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by The Godfather

Since when does Jailbreaking save you money?

Uhm, dude, we tethering WITHOUT paying AT&T for the tethering plan ?

-t

The Godfather · Dec 26, 2010, 07:10 PM

Android bent over for the manufacturers before Android's release. If Google had been looking out for their customers, their mobile OS would be GPL.
Android FAQ - Android Wiki

And if it were GPL, us the customers and the EFF would have a clear case for a class action suit in order to allow modifications of the software running on these phones.

Spheric Harlot · Dec 26, 2010, 08:39 PM

Exactly.

Except that you've fundamentally misstated who Google's customers are by implying they're the people ending up using the phones.

The Godfather · Dec 27, 2010, 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by turtle777

Uhm, dude, we tethering WITHOUT paying AT&T for the tethering plan ?

-t

I thought that theming was the biggest thing among JBers.

turtle777 · Dec 27, 2010, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by The Godfather

I thought that theming was the biggest thing among JBers.

That would be news to me.

-t

turtle777 · 11:54 AM

^^^

You might wanna quote the person you're responding to.

-t

Edit: Thanks, mods, for deleting the post above mine w/o reference. Now I'm looking like I'm talking to myself

The Godfather · Dec 27, 2010, 03:03 AM

You can beat Apple to puree or cider, but punch has no fruit at all.

Wiskedjak · Dec 27, 2010, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by The Godfather

I thought that theming was the biggest thing among JBers.

Back in iOS 1.x

Spheric Harlot · Dec 27, 2010, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by The Godfather

You can beat Apple to puree or cider, but punch has no fruit at all.

You can use a fruit bat.

taldrich · Jan 6, 2011, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Is it possible to share the internet collection of an iPad with 3G cell service with Mac laptops and other devices?

I've come across info about this being a feature in an iOS 4.2 beta, about tethering between an iPad and an iPhone, but the current status of this capability is a little fuzzy.

Anybody?

Getting back to the point of the original post: this is where Apple is chipping away at the loyalty of diehard supporters such as myself. I can tether my iPhone to other devices, my iPad can tether to other devices, but no iPhone to iPad tethering???

To deliberately hobble a product like this, for the benefit of a few extra shillings on the 3G iPad, is a disgrace. They'd have been much better served to allow the iPad only to tether with the iPhone - that sucks people into the Apple family still further. Or should I say, it sucks either way.