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S_Young · Feb 28, 2006, 06:30 PM

Way to spoil a great movie. Talk about throwing your toys out of the pram.

Eug Wanker · Feb 28, 2006, 10:45 PM

^^^ SPOILERS!!! (Two posts ago.)

I highly recommend Oldboy to anyone who doesn't mind a very violent and disturbed movie.

Anyways, I guess I will still have to wait for that elusive iPod that can output 480x360 (or even 640x480?) H.264 to the TV-out.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Mar 1, 2006, 10:31 PM

I just had a thought. IF apples does come out with this device I think the hight of it (holding it in landscape) would have to be no larger than the current iPod Video.

Why? Because of Apples dock connector. Now that the Hi-Fi has shipped no way would a new iPod not fit in it.

slugslugslug · Mar 1, 2006, 10:59 PM

Do we know how snugly the 5G iPods fit in the Hi-Fi? Because it comes with li'l adapters to allow various models to fit its dock connector. They may have actually left a bunch of room to accomodate for possible expansion...

icruise · Mar 1, 2006, 11:18 PM

Well, considering that they're using the new universal dock connectors now, it's a pretty safe bet that any new models would too (that's the purpose of standardizing the connector, after all -- to not have accessories be obsoleted every time there is a model change). Of course, if it's a landscape oriented widescreen machine, I don't know how it would work.

slugslugslug · Mar 2, 2006, 05:21 PM

Um, it probably just wouldn't show video if it's sitting in the Hi-Fi or another dock. After all, 4" is really only reasonable for video on something you're holding (or maybe have mounted in front of you in a car). If you're gonna dock it in something, you'd probably also have it connected to a bigger screen.

Speaking of 4", Think Secret now reports that this thing will have a 4" screen, up from their previous claim of 3.5", and that Apple is still in negotiations with rights-holders about how to distribute feature films.

Eug Wanker · 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

I just had a thought. IF apples does come out with this device I think the hight of it (holding it in landscape) would have to be no larger than the current iPod Video.

Why? Because of Apples dock connector. Now that the Hi-Fi has shipped no way would a new iPod not fit in it.

The width in landscape mode is not an issue. Note the placement of the connector:

For the HiFi thingy, you would just rotate the screen. It's easy to incorporate this capability. I did this with software on my ancient Handspring Visor PDA too.

Originally Posted by slugslugslug

Speaking of 4", Think Secret now reports that this thing will have a 4" screen, up from their previous claim of 3.5", and that Apple is still in negotiations with rights-holders about how to distribute feature films.

Heh, they must be reading this thread.

A 4" screen could easily fit in the dimensions of the 5G iPod. From a previous post:

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

I don't think it would be a huge deal for most adults if it were only 4.1" wide, but if they really wanted to they could simply add a bit more bevel on one side (or two) for gripping. However, I think that could make things worse for small hands, since a 5" wide iPod (ie. the size of a CD case) would be very difficult to grasp without grabbing the bevel or whatever.

For my small hands, a 3.8" wide iPod would be perfect, and a 4.1" wide iPod would be easily manageable:

A 4.1" wide iPod could easily fit a PSP-sized 3.74" wide screen. 480/3.74= 128.3 PPI. (That screen is 4.3" diagonally.)
A 3.8" wide iPod could probably use about a 3.60" wide screen. 480/3.60= 133.3 PPI. (That screen would be 4.1" diagonally.)

The problem with a 3.8" wide ipod would be the drive size. However, Toshiba 1.8" drives are small enough at 78x54x8 mm. The 78 mm isn't a big issue, but the 54 mm might be problematic. However, Apple could just make the bevels on those sides slightly larger, and that wouldn't affect the length of the unit.

Now let's apply a little of that high school math to a 4" screen:

Screen diag___Aspect ratio____Screen dimensions___Dimensions with 0.25" bevel

4"________________4:3_____________2.4" x 3.2"______________2.9" x 3.7"
4"_______________16:9 ____________2.0" x 3.5"______________2.5" x 4.0"

The current iPod is 2.4" x 4.1". Obviously a 4" 4:3 screen is too big for this purpose, but a 4" 16:9 screen would fit almost perfectly. To make it fit the exact width of the 5G iPod, they'd either just have to remove 0.05" of bevel off two sides, or else make the screen very slightly smaller.

3.9"_____________16:9 ____________1.9" x 3.4"______________2.4" x 3.9"

Now if this is true, then the question is what the resolution of those rumoured full-length movies would be. 480x272 (like on the PSP) would be acceptable, and 640x360 would rawk.

I Bent My Wookiee · Mar 2, 2006, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

The width in landscape mode is not an issue. Note the placement of the connector:

Well ya, that is exactly what I was talking about. Either way I know the iPod video will be no wider than a doc connector.

kick52 · Mar 3, 2006, 04:54 PM

maybe its the return of the newton.......

or it could be the newton reborn into an iPod.

I Bent My Wookiee · Mar 3, 2006, 05:56 PM

No way will Apple call it a PDA, they are close to dead now.

They will call it an iPod but give it PDA features as "Extras". At least that is what I hope.

Flagheimer · Mar 3, 2006, 06:57 PM

Wouldn't the screen be all smudgy after touching it so many times? I'm too anal about stuff like that.

Eug Wanker · Mar 3, 2006, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by I Bent My Wookiee

No way will Apple call it a PDA, they are close to dead now.

They will call it an iPod but give it PDA features as "Extras". At least that is what I hope.

Exactly, just like the iPod is now (sorta).

Originally Posted by Flagheimer

Wouldn't the screen be all smudgy after touching it so many times? I'm too anal about stuff like that.

So, just buy a $10 plastic screen protector. They work great and you don't even see them when they are applied correctly.

I would just hope the screen interface wouldn't be as annoying as the 3G's interface.

lothar56 · Mar 5, 2006, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Exactly, just like the iPod is now (sorta).

So, just buy a $10 plastic screen protector. They work great and you don't even see them when they are applied correctly.

Will a touch screen work behind a screen protector?

Eug Wanker · Mar 5, 2006, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by lothar56

Will a touch screen work behind a screen protector?

Yes.

Eug Wanker · Mar 5, 2006, 02:57 PM

I don't buy it either, but here ya go:

BTW, the pic above is 480x272, the exact rez I'd expect such an iPod to have.

480x272 in a 3.4"x1.9" (3.9" diag) screen would be 141 ppi. That is the exact same pixel density as the 4G iPod photo.

I Bent My Wookiee · Mar 5, 2006, 04:26 PM

Ice age doesn't seem very Pixar like to me

Anywho, on the handheld shot there is a big line down the middle, right where the screen was cloned.

Xidius · Mar 5, 2006, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by I Bent My Wookiee

Anywho, on the handheld shot there is a big line down the middle, right where the screen was cloned.

That appears to be a reflection actually. It goes behind the reflection of the thumb. Probably where the wall meets the ceiling.

- Xidius

I Bent My Wookiee · Mar 5, 2006, 04:56 PM

Make you wonder why ANYONE would have this outside of Apple. Let alone some guy with an emac.

"Developers" don't ever see an iPod in advance. What the heck would they need an iPod for anyway?

zoetrope · Mar 5, 2006, 05:01 PM

For all of those living in a fantasy that these particular pics are of a new video iPod (they are not by the way, they are fake through and through, a close look with the zoom in Photoshop will tell you the real story) I would like to hear how you think a virtual touchwheel that mimicks the actual click wheel currently on the iPods is feasible? Why do you think it's called a Click Wheel? Apple tried this type of touch sensitive wheel on their 3G iPods, and without success. Remember? The Play/Pause, Forward, Back and Menu buttons were all seperate from the wheel itself. Look at these pics people!!! How could you possibly put a touch sensitive wheel in arbitrary spots on the screen, use the wheel to scroll through your selections, and not activate a menu, play, forward, etc... choice on the wheel itself. People need the tactile response of a click, this is why Apple went back to the single wheel that scrolls and selects. But it needs to be clickable in order to do so. The wheel that is "imgained" in these fantasy pics is not workable. Pure and simple.

Xidius · Mar 5, 2006, 05:33 PM

Macshrine seems to have gone over their bandwidth quota so... here are some mirrors:

http://xidi.us/temp/1.jpg
http://xidi.us/temp/2.jpg
http://xidi.us/temp/3.jpg

- Xidius

Pendergast · Mar 5, 2006, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Xidius

Macshrine seems to have gone over their bandwidth quota so... here are some mirrors:

http://xidi.us/temp/1.jpg
http://xidi.us/temp/2.jpg
http://xidi.us/temp/3.jpg

- Xidius

Real or not, those are really cool pictures.

I don't buy it either though; not thick enough to make the thing functional. For instance, how much battery power would be required to watch a 2 hour long movie on such a screen?

Also, I don't see the problem in having an onscreen click wheel; but a mechanism of some sort has to be implemented so that it would not be triggered by any type of contact. This means the lock would have to be used (or some sort of lock) right?

Eug Wanker · Mar 7, 2006, 12:58 AM

Macshrine claims they got cease and desist letters, which sounds bogus to me.

BTW, this is the best video iPod fake yet. (Video)

icruise · Mar 7, 2006, 01:21 AM

Damn. I hope Apple really is coming up with something like that.

zoetrope · Mar 7, 2006, 02:30 AM

From macshrine
"Many apologies for the downtime, Apple Legal sent a DCMA to our hosts who then suspended us for most of the morning. We have now removed all mention of the device from MacShrine."

They can't even get their acronyms correct. The DCMA? What is that? The Dutch Cigar Manufacturers Association?

Xidius · Mar 7, 2006, 01:09 PM

Looks like despite the DMCA Macshrine still has new images of the iPod AV being uploaded:

click = full size

http://www.macshrine.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=81&c=6

- Xidius

I Bent My Wookiee · Mar 7, 2006, 01:21 PM

Pretty good fake, they even changed the date on the back of the iPod.

Pendergast · Mar 7, 2006, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by I Bent My Wookiee

Pretty good fake, they even changed the date on the back of the iPod.

Yep.

The "6" looks oversized, and the serial number has all been erased...

icruise · Mar 7, 2006, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Pendergast

the serial number has all been erased...

There's nothing suspicious about that. I'd do that even with a normal iPod.

His Dudeness · Mar 8, 2006, 08:45 AM

I'm holding out for an iPod like that. Here's the article I found with some good large images:

http://david.arnaud6.free.fr/index.p...av-exclusivite

I'd buy that for a dollar!!!!

turtle777 · Mar 8, 2006, 03:36 PM

Youtube has a video of the new iPod video. Fake ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1H_d_7CVPc

-t

PurpleRabbit73 · Mar 8, 2006, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Xidius

Macshrine seems to have gone over their bandwidth quota so... here are some mirrors:

http://xidi.us/temp/1.jpg
http://xidi.us/temp/2.jpg
http://xidi.us/temp/3.jpg

- Xidius

That dude on the second picture needs to cut his nails big time

I Bent My Wookiee · Mar 8, 2006, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

Youtube has a video of the new iPod video. Fake ?

-t

Fake? Are you kidding me? Why in the name of hell would this person have an unreleased iPod in his shitty home and stairwell?

Notice how him scrolling does NOTHING to the video?

Apple doesn't just hand these things out to take home for the weekend for your teenage kids to play with.

rparke1 · Mar 8, 2006, 06:13 PM

does nothing to the video yes, but if you were to pay attention, it brings up a menu at the top of the screen.

turtle777 · Mar 8, 2006, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by I Bent My Wookiee

Notice how him scrolling does NOTHING to the video?

We don't know how the gui will work. And like rparke1 said, the menu appears.
But I agree, I would have expected something different than a menu to appear.
So yeah, I dunno...

-t

Brien · Mar 8, 2006, 06:39 PM

Also notice he has no headphones...

I Bent My Wookiee · Mar 8, 2006, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

We don't know how the gui will work. And like rparke1 said, the menu appears.
But I agree, I would have expected something different than a menu to appear.
So yeah, I dunno...

-t

You would think one of the features of this os is to actually DO SOMETHING when you scroll though wouldn't you think?

Pendergast · Mar 8, 2006, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Icruise

There's nothing suspicious about that. I'd do that even with a normal iPod.

I thought the first few digits might hav given it some authenticity...

ajprice · Mar 10, 2006, 10:39 AM

Re: the size of this iPod being the same as a normal 5G iPod, with no humungous battery to power the HD and big screen.

Engadget have just put this up, the iRiver v10. 480x272 screen media player, with 4 or 6Gb of NAND flash. No hard drive. If this full screen iPod is for real, maybe it won't have a hard drive, and they use the space in the iPod for a few chips of the same NAND flash as an iPod nano, and a big battery instead of a hard drive.

slugslugslug · Mar 10, 2006, 11:29 AM

Well, while NAND flash prices have gone down, I think they're still dramatically higher per Gb than 1.8" HD prices. That iRiver thing does look cool, but I think if Apple makes a new "no, this one's really for video" iPod, they'll want it to have at least as much storage as the 5G, since it'll be the new high-end. More likely, it'll have shorter battery life or the newest PortalPlayer chipset will have even more power optimization done. (or both or whatever; I'm just betting on no flash)

Pendergast · Mar 10, 2006, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by ajprice

Re: the size of this iPod being the same as a normal 5G iPod, with no humungous battery to power the HD and big screen.

Engadget have just put this up, the iRiver v10. 480x272 screen media player, with 4 or 6Gb of NAND flash. No hard drive. If this full screen iPod is for real, maybe it won't have a hard drive, and they use the space in the iPod for a few chips of the same NAND flash as an iPod nano, and a big battery instead of a hard drive.

Thank goodness, let's hope there won't be any integrated speakers or antenna!

Eug Wanker · Mar 12, 2006, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by ajprice

Re: the size of this iPod being the same as a normal 5G iPod, with no humungous battery to power the HD and big screen.

Engadget have just put this up, the iRiver v10. 480x272 screen media player, with 4 or 6Gb of NAND flash. No hard drive. If this full screen iPod is for real, maybe it won't have a hard drive, and they use the space in the iPod for a few chips of the same NAND flash as an iPod nano, and a big battery instead of a hard drive.

"Unfortunately it's only a non-working prototype at the moment"

"The 1980's called... They want their antenna back."

P.S. 32 GB of NAND flash is US$960.

Eug Wanker · Mar 12, 2006, 02:57 PM

I don't buy it either, but hey... BTW, Toshiba sells an 80 GB drive, but not a 90 GB drive.

_kevin · Mar 12, 2006, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by slugslugslug

Well, I was talking about smudging, not scratching, but I guess not everyone is gonna be watching House reruns while eating really greasy pizza..

Not true...or at least I'm one other person who will be.

I Bent My Wookiee · Mar 12, 2006, 11:34 PM

Parties OVER!

http://www.ipodwizard.net/showthread...ge=8#post96450

Eug Wanker · Mar 13, 2006, 01:10 AM

ajprice · Mar 13, 2006, 04:49 AM

And another one bites the dust!!

SLiMeX · Mar 16, 2006, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by trevor.o

I mocked these up some time ago mainly because I was curious to see if reading books was possible on a larger screen and I wanted to see what Front Row might look like on an iPod. I did not give it too much thought so they are not perfect but you will get the idea. I would have concerns about touchscreen deterioration as well.

http://www.cry9c.com/iPod/

Nice job with these, I can totally see something like that happening.

The only thing that would annoy me would be the fact that after some time, the screen would get all gunk-y from the fingertip grease. Just like keyboards or trackpads do.

Eug Wanker · Mar 16, 2006, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by SLiMeX

The only thing that would annoy me would be the fact that after some time, the screen would get all gunk-y from the fingertip grease. Just like keyboards or trackpads do.

Eug Wanker · Mar 17, 2006, 09:34 PM

AI: Apple reserves room for changes atop iPod line

The Cupertino, Calif.-based company recently informed some of its partners and big box retailers that it has placed the top-of-the-line 60GB fifth-generation iPod on its 60-day "at risk" list. The 30GB iPod was not placed on the list.

According to sources, when Apple makes note of an item being placed on an "at risk list," it could mean one of many things, or nothing at all. Simply, it's the company's way of warning resellers that it may make changes to that product, replace it with a newer model, offer a price reduction or discontinue it, among other things. Therefore, resellers should keep a close eye on their inventory management of such products.

_kevin · Mar 18, 2006, 04:03 PM

Do screen protectors really sufficiently resist smudging and grease build-up? It seems to me that the screen protector would be subject to the same kind of smudging as the actual screen.

If not, i.e. if the screen protector prevents smudging, it's certainly plausible that Apple will incorporate such technology in their design.