[SirCastor]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

Um, so why do the humans believe the claim that the 3s can identify the final 5? Why do they even entertain that story?

Kara talked to the Hybrid and the Hybrid said the 3 would reveal the 5. Kara believes it. And that's good enough for Adama (and almost good enough for the President.)

[Buckaroo]

Hmmmm. Sounds like Six is pregnant with Tigh's little baby.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by Buckaroo 

Hmmmm. Sounds like Six is pregnant with Tigh's little baby.

.. one thing, though I agree completely, is this:

Of all the things having babies in these episodes, it's mostly just the cylons. Yet it were the cylons who couldn't have babies and were doing that research thingy with pregnant women on that planet..

Seems to me the cylons can easily have kids, but the humans can't

[analogue SPRINKLES]

I did find it a bit strange how Tye knew how Cylons resurect in bathtubs. Has he ever seen one?

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

I did find it a bit strange how Tye knew how Cylons resurect in bathtubs. Has he ever seen one?

That's a very good point.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

That's a very good point.

I'm sure it is just a mistake and not a plot secret or anything but they are usually pretty good with continuity.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

I'm sure it is just a mistake and not a plot secret or anything but they are usually pretty good with continuity.

I'm thinking the same, but I wonder if it's not more of the final 4 realizing more of their cylon side.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

I'm thinking the same, but I wonder if it's not more of the final 4 realizing more of their cylon side.

Meh, I doubt it. Tye also had admiral pips on his collar a couple episodes ago. Mistakes happen.. like how Roslin remembered seeing Baltar in the Caprica Market with 6 before the attack even though she was on BSG for the ceremonies at the time. That one really bugged me.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Meh, I doubt it. Tye also had admiral pips on his collar a couple episodes ago. Mistakes happen.. like how Roslin remembered seeing Baltar in the Caprica Market with 6 before the attack even though she was on BSG for the ceremonies at the time. That one really bugged me.

I thought she was on Caprica for a visit with the doctor? No?

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

I thought she was on Caprica for a visit with the doctor? No?

Not at that time. RDM even admitted on the podcast that he messed it up.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Not at that time. RDM even admitted on the podcast that he messed it up.

Dang. I never would've known if you hadn't said anything, though. I'm guessing most people don't notice it either.

[Visnaut]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

I did find it a bit strange how Tigh knew how Cylons resurect in bathtubs. Has he ever seen one?

He probably hasn't seen one, but given how they've had several cylons in captivity now, including Sharon and Caprica-6, I think it's pretty safe to assume it's information that's been gleaned from interrogations, and divulged to senior staff. Know thy enemy.

What bothers me more about continuity is the introduction of the Resurrection Hub itself. Back during the Resurrection Ship story arc, it seemed like taking out the ship set the cylons back for a few months, with the Raiders unable to fight using their normal tactics.

Now with the Hub, it seems like there's an entire network of resurrection ships that all need to be controlled centrally for some reason. If that was the case, then why couldn't they have reassigned another resurrection ship from the network to trail the fleet after they destroyed the first one? After all, what the hell else are the cylons so occupied with? Why do they need resurrection ships where their people aren't actively engaged in combat?

I guess the easy explanation is that the Hub is a recent addition to the Cylon fleet, but it still doesn't make sense that they would hinge their entire ability to resurrect on something that has a single failure point. It also doesn't make sense that it would be permanent. I'm sure the cylons could rebuild the Hub if they wanted to.

Oh well, it's best to just ignore these things and continue watching the show for what it is.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

I don't really understand the hub either but I still look forward to seeing them attack it. If they do manage to retrieve a diana and then nuke the hub that would mean there is one and only Diana forever cuz it is not like they are going to unbox 5000 of them just to ask who the final 5 are.

So how many episodes are airing this half? 8 or 10?

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

I don't really understand the hub either but I still look forward to seeing them attack it. If they do manage to retrieve a diana and then nuke the hub that would mean there is one and only Diana forever cuz it is not like they are going to unbox 5000 of them just to ask who the final 5 are.

So how many episodes are airing this half? 8 or 10?

Just 8, then a break, then 10 more to finish it up.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

Just 8, then a break, then 10 more to finish it up.

What I thought there was 20 episodes this season not 18!! Dammit!

I guess Razor counts as 2.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

What I thought there was 20 episodes this season not 18!! Dammit!

I guess Razor counts as 2.

Maybe the 8th is a 2 hour ep (so counting for two eps) and I'm guessing the finale will be a 2 hour ep as well. That would make 20.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

Maybe the 8th is a 2 hour ep (so counting for two eps) and I'm guessing the finale will be a 2 hour ep as well. That would make 20.

I'm pretty sure I remember them saying that Razor counts as 2 episodes which I guess is fine as it had a bigger budget.

Can't wait for Caprica to start even though I am sure it won't be as cool. I like my spaceships.

[reader50]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

I did find it a bit strange how Tigh knew how Cylons resurect in bathtubs. Has he ever seen one?

From the time on New Caprica, all the people on the ground will be familiar with Cylon resurrection. It's probably come up in conversation with the occupiers many times. Also, it would be detailed in Athena's report after she retrieved Hera.

Originally Posted by Visnaut 

...
What bothers me more about continuity is the introduction of the Resurrection Hub itself. Back during the Resurrection Ship story arc, it seemed like taking out the ship set the Cylons back for a few months, with the Raiders unable to fight using their normal tactics.

Now with the Hub, it seems like there's an entire network of resurrection ships that all need to be controlled centrally for some reason. If that was the case, then why couldn't they have reassigned another resurrection ship from the network to trail the fleet after they destroyed the first one? After all, what the hell else are the cylons so occupied with? Why do they need resurrection ships where their people aren't actively engaged in combat?
...

This one bothered me too, from the moment I heard of it. From deduction, Cylon resurrection works on Jump technology. Which limits the effect to ~5 LY. A central system isn't necessary, and could not work because of range issues. Which implies that each Resurrection Ship functions independently.

While it should make for some good-looking episodes, the writers should not have gone this way. The only sensible answer is the Hub is where they grow new bodies. That it doesn't actually regulate the network so much as restock individual Resurrection Ships.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by reader50 

From the time on New Caprica, all the people on the ground will be familiar with Cylon resurrection. It's probably come up in conversation with the occupiers many times. Also, it would be detailed in Athena's report after she retrieved Hera.

I would think she'd tell them all about it going back to her first arrival on Galactica. It would certainly be one of the first questions I'd ask her during de-briefing ("so what's this whole resurrection process like? what are its limitations? does it hurt?" etc).

This one bothered me too, from the moment I heard of it. From deduction, Cylon resurrection works on Jump technology. Which limits the effect to ~5 LY. A central system isn't necessary, and could not work because of range issues. Which implies that each Resurrection Ship functions independently.

While it should make for some good-looking episodes, the writers should not have gone this way. The only sensible answer is the Hub is where they grow new bodies. That it doesn't actually regulate the network so much as restock individual Resurrection Ships.

There's a ton of technologies that might be required behind the scenes, it might not be as simple as taking a chunk of data and shoving it into a new body. They might do all kinds of things with the data first, software or hardware-wise, that could explain why it needs to be done at a central hub. That, or it could be that the actual process the resurrection ships carry out is limited by some kind of strange resource that comes from the hub (also possibly software or hardware). Maybe it's some different sort of hybrid that drives the process, and that hybrid only lives for a few weeks and needs to constantly be resupplied from the hub. Since we know so little about what makes resurrection possible in the first place, there's enough wiggle-room to make almost anything a requirement for it continuing to work.

[Mithras]

Was there an episode yesterday (the 23rd), or not? The episode guide lists Guess What's part II as running May 23rd, but NBC and SciFi are being bitches now and posting a week late, and I don't see anything in the "other" places, or any discussion here, so I guess not.

[Cold Warrior]

The widget I use, TV Forecast, lists it as next week, May 30th.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Visnaut 

What bothers me more about continuity is the introduction of the Resurrection Hub itself. Back during the Resurrection Ship story arc, it seemed like taking out the ship set the cylons back for a few months, with the Raiders unable to fight using their normal tactics.

Something that has always bothered me about the resurrection process: Cylons can upload their consciousness back to the Resurrection Ship when their body is killed, but they can't use the same technology to communicate with distant Cylons? They should be able to be in constant communication with each other, or at least able to periodically send and receive messages, through the Resurrection network.

[besson3c]

MythTV/Schedules Direct has the next episode on May 30th, like Cold Warrior said.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

So I watched episode 2 of Season 4 and found out 2 important parts of information:

1) The skinjobs were created with a "Divine plan" in mind. That means they were not just created to be human Cylons but created with a goal in mind. I don't think this plan was only to attack the humans but rather the bigger picture of the 2 raced merged into one.

2) The Cylons (or at least skinjobs) don't know where they originated from as 6 talks about finding their "origins in the universe".

And I still wonder who "the original programmers" are as they can't be humans. It is also difficult to imagine it was the centurions as they seems rather mindless. It is strange to think the Toasters creating the skinjobs only to allow the skinjobs to take away their higher functions so they don't rebel and make them slaves again (just as the humans did).

Perhaps the final 5 didn't originate from earth but shortly after they were created they went out and found earth and returned back home to the Cylons. In order to keep the secret they cleared their memories of it and removed themselves from the other cylons and gave up their resurrection abilities. They could have also programmed the other Cylons never to think about them for that reason.

[mrtew]

Yeah I agree. The show makes no sense. I thought the Cylons were created by the humans and evolved like 40 years ago, but now it seems like they've existed for thousands of years and have their own God or something. Almost as weird as the old show where there was no clue who the Cylons were or where they came from and nobody ever asked or even wondered. Maybe in the old show it was the humans who were programmed not to think about it. I bet anything that the whole 'this has all happened before' thing has something to do with the old show.

[Don Pickett]

Originally Posted by reader50 

From deduction, Cylon resurrection works on Jump technology.

How do you come to this conclusion?

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by Don Pickett 

How do you come to this conclusion?

The Cylons said so.

[reader50]

It was an earlier post of mine. I'd been thinking about how the system has to work, based on observed behavior.

[Sourbook]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

Something that has always bothered me about the resurrection process: Cylons can upload their consciousness back to the Resurrection Ship when their body is killed, but they can't use the same technology to communicate with distant Cylons? They should be able to be in constant communication with each other, or at least able to periodically send and receive messages, through the Resurrection network.

If I had to guess, I'd say that each Cylon is equipped with a hidden fail-safe device that activates upon death. It only has enough power to organize and transmit enough pertinent data for resurrection.

Also. If they could actively transmit data-streams. It may be detectable even when they're not transmitting.

[Don Pickett]

Originally Posted by reader50 

It was an earlier post of mine. I'd been thinking about how the system has to work, based on observed behavior.

Ah. Well, my issue is your post implied it was accepted that the resurrection tech worked on jump technology, which isn't true. What's true is that you're put some thought into it and come up with one scenario, which is cool. But the statment "by deduction" bugged me, because there is no canon explanation of how it works, merely theories. I know it's a small, pedantic thing, but it's one of the things which bugs me, is all.

The only though I've had about the resurrection tech is that whatever the signal is, it can't be a normal EM signal, as the humans would've been able to detect it and jam it. It has to be something exotic, like the unexplained superluminal tech which powers the FTL drives.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by Don Pickett 

Ah. Well, my issue is your post implied it was accepted that the resurrection tech worked on jump technology, which isn't true. What's true is that you're put some thought into it and come up with one scenario, which is cool. But the statment "by deduction" bugged me, because there is no canon explanation of how it works, merely theories. I know it's a small, pedantic thing, but it's one of the things which bugs me, is all.

The only though I've had about the resurrection tech is that whatever the signal is, it can't be a normal EM signal, as the humans would've been able to detect it and jam it. It has to be something exotic, like the unexplained superluminal tech which powers the FTL drives.

Hmm...I could've sworn Six mentioned it at some point, but I guess not. Gotta stop taking everything from this thread as fact, I guess.

[jokell82]

FYI, episode 8 has leaked online to all the usual places.

[Peter]

thanks for the headsup

[besson3c]

Yeah, thanks jokell82.... I just grabbed my copy off of Usenet.

[Buckaroo]

Cylon Baseships Run Windows XP?

Cylons Run Windows: Cylon Baseships Run Windows XP?

[ThinkInsane]

I hope they had the good sense not use museum quality ship this time.

[MRTrauffer]

So, the Cylons are running XP:

The Colonials are not only on Windows, but using Dells:

BSG Dell

[Uncle Skeleton]

Maybe he has Buckaroo on ignore...

[Lateralus]

ZOMG. Pivotal episode.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Major MEH for me.

[Lateralus]

I'll not deny that it wasn't the most riveting episode ever. But... MEH?

Tigh knocked up Six. Adama stepped down to wait around for his princess. And Lee became President.

Hardly MEH as far as plot development. IMO, it's probably the most important episode we've seen (as far as story development) in quite some time.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Lateralus 

I'll not deny that it wasn't the most riveting episode ever. But... MEH?

Tigh knocked up Six. Adama stepped down to wait around for his princess. And Lee became President.

Hardly MEH as far as plot development. IMO, it's probably the most important episode we've seen (as far as story development) in quite some time.

Perhaps not "meh" ... but certainly "huh?" Aside from be the son of the Admiral who won't talk to anyone else as President, I can't see how he could realistically be qualified, though it wasn't really much of a shock to see his name on the board ... the episode was suggesting that the entire time.

Also, I loved the "no sh*t" expression on Tigh's face when Adama said "you've learned alot about yourself".

[Luca Rescigno]

I'm with Lateralus here. Not particularly exciting, but it made up for it in importance.

I'm also really, really glad they brought back that lawyer guy, whatever his name is. I hope he continues to show up (but they shouldn't overuse him).

We're getting near the halfway point in the season, so there had better be some action soon.

[Buckaroo]

So is Roslin a Cylon too?

[voodoo]

More boring story arches and Lee Adama as presnik? And that 'laywer'?

Brushing aside the soap opera plot of Tigh getting Six pregnant, which is irrelevant enough to the main plot, why is it that it's almost only cylons that are having kids?

Is anyone writing this or are they just throwing darts at notes on the wall?

This show should be called 'The USA on a spaceship', by the way.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

Aside from be the son of the Admiral who won't talk to anyone else as President, I can't see how he could realistically be qualified, though it wasn't really much of a shock to see his name on the board

Given the state of things, it's likely that there isn't anyone in the fleet who is "qualified" in the traditional sense, aside from Zarack's legal right to it. But Lee has a high profile and a history of standing up to his father and to Tigh, so the fleet should love him.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by Lateralus 

I'll not deny that it wasn't the most riveting episode ever. But... MEH?

Tigh knocked up Six. Adama stepped down to wait around for his princess. And Lee became President.

The problem for me is that they were leading up to something much more exciting... attacking the resurection hub, retreaving Diana and finding out the final 5 to the fleat.

Instead we get a bunch of stuff that feels very temporary. Adama TEMPORARILY leaves BSG, Lee TEMPORARILY is president until Roslyn is back.

We just got through Starbuck running around on her own mission and now we get to go through another sidequest with Adama.

I also don't understand how the rest of the fleet doesn't support using all their means to find their president and more than half of their viper and Raptor fleet and why Adama thinks this is something that is only a personal quest and he has to do it on his own.

[Uncle Skeleton]

I thought it was because they found the wreckage of lots of human and cylon ships, and the logical conclusion is that they're all dead already

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

I thought it was because they found the wreckage of lots of human and cylon ships, and the logical conclusion is that they're all dead already

They jumped to that conclusion pretty damn quick and easy.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Well the whole episode had a (totally annoying) read-between-the-lines style. They talked about the pregnant 6 but we never saw her (nor the discovery of her pregnancy), they talked about Lee becoming president but we never saw it, B. Adama talked about resigning but we never saw him do it, etc etc. It seemed like everything important happened off-camera this week, and we only got to see people discussing it before or after the fact. For all we know there was a much more exhaustive search than we actually saw, and we were supposed to know this just because 99.9% of the fleet seemed to believe it.