[rodrigo_la]

Aside from the 3 window buttons being too small to click quickly, has anybody found the the green 'resize' button doesn't really do much most of the time? Sure it re-sizes but not full screen. Anybody agree?

[ibr80]

I agree! But I dont think there too small cause, the previous ones were just as small but the green button doesnt do much.

[Lord Kronos]

Originally posted by rodrigo_la:
Aside from the 3 window buttons being too small to click quickly, has anybody found the the green 'resize' button doesn't really do much most of the time? Sure it re-sizes but not full screen. Anybody agree?

Mac OS is not Windows, 'zoom' is zoom-to-fit, not a full screen zoom.

[rodrigo_la]

Originally posted by Lord Kronos:
Mac OS is not Windows, 'zoom' is zoom-to-fit, not a full screen zoom.

hmmm... perhaps, but which functionality makes more sense?

I'm in OSX now�

Let's see, full screen with green button�

ah�got it.

Option+Click the green button.

Isn't that in OS9 too?

[rodrigo_la]

Originally posted by Hey! Who Stole My Name!?:
I'm in OSX now�

Let's see, full screen with green button�

ah�got it.

Option+Click the green button.

Isn't that in OS9 too?

yeah, that's very intuitive. I'm sure the first thing new users will think of is having to press an additional key to get another function.

[zeltrio]

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Originally posted by Lord Kronos:
Mac OS is not Windows, 'zoom' is zoom-to-fit, not a full screen zoom.
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hmmm... perhaps, but which functionality makes more sense?

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zoom to fit is much more functional then full screen zoom.
-z

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[Millennium]

The "Resize" (more accurately called "Zoom") button was never meant to go full-screen. All it's meant to do is resize the window so it's just big enough to hold everything in it, both horizontally and vertically, unless that wouldn't fit on the screen (in which case it makes it as large as it can be while still fitting).

In the end, it's much more functional than fullscreen, which often needlessly wastes screen real-estate. Not only that, but fullscreen mode obscures background windows and the Desktop, a practice that strongly discourages multitasking (rather ironic, considering that its originator, Windows, was designed for multitasking where MacOS was not). The only real advantage is that it puts the menu at the top of the screen where it belongs, but MacOS does that already so that point is moot.

My point: zoom-to-fit is there for a reason: to make the window large enough without wasting screen real-estate unnecessarily. Sure, it's different from Windows, but that's part of what makes it right.

[zeltrio]

Originally posted by Millennium:
The "Resize" (more accurately called "Zoom") button was never meant to go full-screen. All it's meant to do is resize the window so it's just big enough to hold everything in it, both horizontally and vertically, unless that wouldn't fit on the screen (in which case it makes it as large as it can be while still fitting).

In the end, it's much more functional than fullscreen, which often needlessly wastes screen real-estate. Not only that, but fullscreen mode obscures background windows and the Desktop, a practice that strongly discourages multitasking (rather ironic, considering that its originator, Windows, was designed for multitasking where MacOS was not). The only real advantage is that it puts the menu at the top of the screen where it belongs, but MacOS does that already so that point is moot.

My point: zoom-to-fit is there for a reason: to make the window large enough without wasting screen real-estate unnecessarily. Sure, it's different from Windows, but that's part of what makes it right.

Nicely said. I was 'thinking' the same thing but was too lazy to type all that wonderful stuff up ;]

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[Daishi]

Originally posted by Millennium:

My point: zoom-to-fit is there for a reason: to make the window large enough without wasting screen real-estate unnecessarily. Sure, it's different from Windows, but that's part of what makes it right.

Question: Does anyone know how to get Windows to zoom-to-fit? 'Cause I hate that freakin' useless resize button right now.


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[SteveTheMacNut]

I agree with Millennium. I hate the terrible Windows functionality that needlessly wastes precious screen real estate (which is getting even more precious in OS X with the Dock!). Long live the Resize widget!

-Steve

[pdot]

It took me a while to realize that the green button is only useful when in the icon view mode. I miss the ability to zoom-to-fit in list mode. Why did Apple remove that?

The zoom button is the better idea (full screen zoom is rarely what a user wants, especially on higher resolutions), but it's true that most of the X applications have a bad implementation of it. The Finder, which should set the example, seems to only zoom properly about half the time, and often requires a little resizing to "hint" how the resize should go. Not cool.

The biggest problem I have with the window buttons though, is the rollover. Usually a rollover indicates "it's OK to click now", but for the stoplight buttons it means "you're close, and maybe over the button, but maybe not." I'm always clicking and missing, since I think I've made it over the button I want when I see the rollover (roolnear?). Combined with the fact that the buttons are round, thus harder to hit than squares of the same width and height, I find that I'm often clicking near, but missing these buttons.

The zoom button is the better idea (full screen zoom is rarely what a user wants, especially on higher resolutions), but it's true that most of the X applications have a bad implementation of it. The Finder, which should set the example, seems to only zoom properly about half the time, and often requires a little resizing to "hint" how the resize should go. Not cool.

The biggest problem I have with the window buttons though, is the rollover. Usually a rollover indicates "it's OK to click now", but for the stoplight buttons it means "you're close, and maybe over the button, but maybe not." I'm always clicking and missing, since I think I've made it over the button I want when I see the rollover (roolnear?). Combined with the fact that the buttons are round, thus harder to hit than squares of the same width and height, I find that I'm often clicking near, but missing these buttons.

The zoom button is the better idea (full screen zoom is rarely what a user wants, especially on higher resolutions), but it's true that most of the X applications have a bad implementation of it. The Finder, which should set the example, seems to only zoom properly about half the time, and often requires a little resizing to "hint" how the resize should go. Not cool.

The biggest problem I have with the window buttons though, is the rollover. Usually a rollover indicates "it's OK to click now", but for the stoplight buttons it means "you're close, and maybe over the button, but maybe not." I'm always clicking and missing, since I think I've made it over the button I want when I see the rollover (roolnear?). Combined with the fact that the buttons are round, thus harder to hit than squares of the same width and height, I find that I'm often clicking near, but missing these buttons.

[Millennium]

Even though the buttons look round, they're still square. You can click on the corner of a square in which one of the buttons is inscribed, and it will count as hitting the button.

Or, in plain English, think of the button as a square just large enough for the circle to fit into. In the end, they're actually just about as big as the OS9 ones, though they do look a shade smaller because of the circle bit.