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The Godfather · Nov 15, 2005, 08:06 PM

I filled up the tank this afternoon, for an amazing $2.25/gal.

I am not sure what the reason is. Obsene/unfair earnings for the oil cartel? Overstock of fuel in private reservoirs? Low demand? A ploy to kill hybrid car sales?

When do you think gas (87 octane) will hit $1.99/gal?

gururafiki · Nov 15, 2005, 08:17 PM

It will never happen.

Kevin · Nov 15, 2005, 08:17 PM

I saw a $1.99 today, so I guess that answers that.

gururafiki · Nov 15, 2005, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

I saw a $1.99 today.

Where?? I'll move there...

Kevin · Nov 15, 2005, 08:18 PM

Ohio Valley. Cost of living is dirt cheap.

You can get a decent place to live for less than $600 a month. Plus low crime.

Kevin Moon · Nov 15, 2005, 08:30 PM

I have been paying 1.95 for 89 for a week or two now around Kansas City.

JoshuaZ · Nov 15, 2005, 08:33 PM

Maybe we could all just use fuel efficient cars?.... oh wait... that would mean the terrorists have won. (joke joke joke)

The Godfather · Nov 15, 2005, 08:37 PM

^ We definitely should. Compact cars for everyone!

Kevin · Nov 15, 2005, 08:43 PM

I have a small 4cyl 5spd coupe. I am doing my part.

I even have a cold air intake in it. More efficient

OldManMac · Nov 15, 2005, 08:48 PM

I filled up the other day @ $2.13, in metro Detroit, although that station is almost always $.10/gallon cheaper than anybody. Besides, this is just a temporary respite. It will go back up before summer travel season, and in the not too distant future it will start going up more, and will stay higher.

Kevin · Nov 15, 2005, 08:50 PM

Karl, but I was told that it would NEVER get below $2 AGAIN.. about a year ago.

What is this magic crystal ball you are using?

OldManMac · Nov 15, 2005, 08:55 PM

And it's still above $2.00/gallon here, so what's your point? We are running out of cheap oil. As I've said before, there's lot of oil left, but the cheap, easy to extract stuff is getting scarcer. The earth isn't some humungous bathtub that we can just dip our greedy little ladles in and drink what we want, indefinitely.

ort888 · Nov 15, 2005, 08:57 PM

I filled up for $1.99 yesterday here in St. Louis Missouri.

Sometimes it pays to live in the midwest. Sometimes.

Kevin · Nov 15, 2005, 08:59 PM

Karl what I am saying is, by that time we may not be dependant on it.

You need to learn to word things as a possibility or idea, and not a definite fact. Esp when the future is unknown.

Spliffdaddy · Nov 15, 2005, 08:59 PM

$2.14 here in Tampa

starman · Nov 15, 2005, 09:02 PM

$2.19 here yesterday

SirCastor · Nov 15, 2005, 09:12 PM

We're down to $2.05 in Salt Lake City. It's been falling almost daily around here. It's been great.

el chupacabra · Nov 15, 2005, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Karl, but I was told that it would NEVER get below $2 AGAIN.. about a year ago.

What is this magic crystal ball you are using?

the national average is still higher than 2. Besides this isn't really natural considering the government has released tons of fuel from reserves during a time of year when fuel costs always go down anyway. When summer comes people will drive more... and our reserves will need to be replenished for the next emergency.

Kevin · Nov 15, 2005, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by SirCastor

We're down to $2.05 in Salt Lake City. It's been falling almost daily around here. It's been great.

Same here... It's supposed to get lower too.

Kerrigan · Nov 15, 2005, 09:22 PM

America would be much more sophisticated if gas were $8/gallon

/sarcosmos

Kevin · Nov 15, 2005, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

America would be much more sophisticated if gas were $8/gallon

The Godfather · Nov 15, 2005, 09:27 PM

It is only a coinkydink that an unsophisticated nation has cheap fuel.

ambush · Nov 15, 2005, 09:27 PM

when the neocons become honest with their own values of democracy and freedom and decide to do something about the monarchy/theocracy in saudi arabia, .e.g never.

Kevin · Nov 15, 2005, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by The Godfather

It is only a coinkydink that an unsophisticated nation has cheap fuel.

Iraq?

Kevin · Nov 15, 2005, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by ambush

when the neocons become honest with their own values of democracy and freedom and decide to do something about the monarchy/theocracy in saudi arabia, .e.g never.

I love Freshmen.

ambush · Nov 15, 2005, 09:31 PM

how much are you willing to bet I know more about the neocons than you do.

besides, can you even refute the saudi arabia statement?

Kerrigan · Nov 15, 2005, 09:31 PM

Isn't it annoying how some students are always worrying about the world? As a uni student myself, there is nothing I hate worse than going to a pub and then listening to some tool talk about American hypocrisy and imperialism and Saudi Arabia. Got any more cliches in that bag?

ambush · Nov 15, 2005, 09:33 PM

ahah yeah it's better to ignore truth about neoconservatism.
notice how noone refuted me yet.

My question is simple: why do the US, who are committed to worldwide democracy and freedom, support a theocracy in Saudi Arabia and many dictatorships in ancient soviet countries?

Why did they support in the past hussein, pinochet, dictatorship in the philipines, the mujahideens from alquaeda, etc????

rozwado1 · Nov 15, 2005, 09:37 PM

Moved: Political Forum

Kerrigan · Nov 15, 2005, 09:38 PM

Ambush are you trying to make a specific point in this laundry list of grievances?

ambush · Nov 15, 2005, 09:39 PM

Are you trying to dodge my question? I'll quote it here

My question is simple: why do the US, who are committed to worldwide democracy and freedom, support a theocracy in Saudi Arabia and many dictatorships in ancient soviet countries?

Why did they support in the past hussein, pinochet, dictatorship in the philipines, the mujahideens from alquaeda, etc????

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 15, 2005, 09:44 PM

Considering the insane profits oil companies have been making, why would they ever lower them?

mojo2 · Nov 15, 2005, 09:55 PM

I try to look at the price of gasoline and the whole cheap gas (BAD!) thing as a whole series of interconnected industries, market factors, natural resource availabilities and political & economic imperatives being managed to affect the pump price.

The demand for BIG cars has gone to ZERO and so Detroit NEEDS to get rid of gas guzzlers in order to have the $$ and the time needed to gear up waaay up to produce more fuel efficient vehicles. The only way we can help detroit, and you must remember that what's good for GM is good for America, stay in business and NOT put thousands out of work is to restore confidence or the belief (false though it may be) that we'll be able to afford to keep those gas guzzlers fueled. A few weeks in a row of cheap gas will have most Americans forgetting ALL about the oil problem. Until an act of God or man forces us to look at the problem AGAIN. And AGAIN we'll lament the hassles. And then some rabbit will be pulled from a hat and we'll dodge the bullet AGAIN.

But we'll be in an even WORSE state than we were this past summer, because the oil reserves will have been depleted by however many billions of barrels and then, one day there will be no more rabbits.

And we'll understand how much we blew it along the way when we could have been doing more.

No. This is probably a necessary artificially low price to keep Americans warm this winter and to help Detroit and the economy.

Those of you who want to take a look at a Michael Moore film to get an idea of the future that could POSSIBLY spread across the country wherever vehicle mfg plants exist, try "Roger & Me."

mojo2 · Nov 15, 2005, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by ambush

Are you trying to dodge my question? I'll quote it here

You'll get all the action you want if you ask the question in the P/L.

Kevin · Nov 15, 2005, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by ambush

how much are you willing to bet I know more about the neocons than you do.

Again, I love Freshmen.

Kevin · Nov 15, 2005, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Ambush are you trying to make a specific point in this laundry list of grievances?

Ambush is just your atypical new college student, that thinks he has been opened to this new found truth...

When every year for decades freshmen have been doing the same thing.

When I was a freshman, I too was the same way.

OldManMac · Nov 15, 2005, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Karl what I am saying is, by that time we may not be dependant on it.

You need to learn to word things as a possibility or idea, and not a definite fact. Esp when the future is unknown.

The end of cheap oil is already here. We're spending billions per week in Iraq, which was supposed to insure us a future supply from the ME, but instead has created more enemies for us. When will people learn that they're financing the terrorism around the world by sending their oil dollars to the ME? It's all related, my friend.

ambush · Nov 15, 2005, 10:16 PM

Ok, well it's nice to see you cannot refute me :-)

Poor zimphire.. go back to school please, instead of wasting like 1 hour per day here.

Kevin · Nov 15, 2005, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by ambush

Ok, well it's nice to see you cannot refute me :-)

Poor zimphire.. go back to school please, instead of wasting like 1 hour per day here.

Ambush, no one is arguing with you because it's inane, and never goes anywhere.

No matter how badly you are proved wrong, you are oblivious to it.

I have been starting a trend to either stop short, and not even start discussing anything with people like this.

And stop being pretentious. You are still a kid.

Heck, so am I for that matter.

Kerrigan · Nov 15, 2005, 10:22 PM

Ambush ya don't have a point, just a rhetorical question which lumps together complaints about the US which we've all heard a million times.

ambush · Nov 15, 2005, 10:29 PM

Oh well, notify me when ya have a real answer, and not some "you're only 18 yr old so shut up" ad hominem ****.

Kevin · Nov 15, 2005, 10:32 PM

That isn't what I said Ambush. You being 18 has nothing to do with no one going to argue with you.

I said your know it all attitude was pretentious because you ARE just 18.

We aren't going to get into it with you for the reasons I posted in the post before this one.

And it's true. No matter what is said, you are going to believe what you believe regardless, and it will just turn into some lame-ass PL flame feast.

If you REALLY want to get into this argument. take it where it belongs.

For the 4th time.

Kerrigan · Nov 15, 2005, 10:45 PM

Edit: I don't want to derail this thread any further

Kevin · Nov 15, 2005, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Edit: I don't want to derail this thread any further

Thanks. Seriously.

gopikrishna · Nov 15, 2005, 11:06 PM

Answer: Just before the next Hurricane in the Gulf: After which it'll soar to $4

Can you spell "h y b r i d"?

Railroader · Nov 16, 2005, 12:32 AM

$2.02 in Saginaw, MI this evening.

It's been dropping about 12-15 cents a week for a while. I predict $1.75 sometime in January.

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 16, 2005, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by Railroader

$2.02 in Saginaw, MI this evening.

It's been dropping about 12-15 cents a week for a while. I predict $1.75 sometime in January.

So by that rational gas should soon be free. Thank god, then I can go get an H3.

gururafiki · Nov 16, 2005, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded

So by that rational gas should soon be free. Thank god, then I can go get an H3.

I saw this Amazing Race a few weeks ago, and the winners of that round won free gas for life! Lucky bastards!

Railroader · Nov 16, 2005, 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded

So by that rational gas should soon be free. Thank god, then I can go get an H3.

Huh?!?

Are you trying to bait me like you are going after Kevin right now?

If, on the rare case you aren't, here's my reply:
No. You infer too much. Gas prices rise and fall dramatically over long periods of time. You're pretty young and probably have no idea of this, but in the late 80's and early 90's prices rose quickly and then dropped quickly. And for a while, prices went to near 70's levels.

I predict prices will drop to about $1.55 around early Spring '06 and then rise again for the '06 Summer season to an average around $2.00

Kevin · Nov 16, 2005, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by gopikrishna

Answer: Just before the next Hurricane in the Gulf: After which it'll soar to $4

Can you spell "h y b r i d"?

There was an article not too long ago that shows the only really thing you save with those is, well gas. Not money.