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Jul 17, 2002, 08:09 AM
 
Simple Yes or No!

<a href="http://sounds.wavcentral.com/movies/monty/bastards.wav" target="_blank">Personally this is what I think ...</a>
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 08:13 AM
 
I'll pay the $50 for this year and give them the benefit of the doubt. They better make it damn compelling over the next year or they won't be getting $100 next time around.

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Jul 17, 2002, 08:15 AM
 
move this to the lounge and add #3, trial for a year...
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Jul 17, 2002, 08:21 AM
 
I say yes because....

1. I move around a lot a permanent e-mail smpt server is a bonus.
2. My e-mail address has NO connection with my isp so I am never tied down to an isp.
3. 100MB Webspace can come in very handy.
4. Its $8 ish a months thats $2 a week... no much when you think of it that way.
5. All these features are integrated with the OS making then easy to use.
6. the extra money will make .Mac faster + more reliable.
7. For the first year it will only cost half that amount. thus $1 a week.
8. AOL for example is approx $35 a month and it's easy to use for newbee's (or at least has that image) An unlimited cheap isp is at least half that but does not have easy features like making websites etc. So when you look at it that way its not that bad. As you can have a cheap isp and have all your internet stuff run through .Mac....

Disclaimer Prices for ISP are UK conversions (approx).

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Jul 17, 2002, 08:25 AM
 
I'll pay the first time round (if they don't try and screw over the UK market) and see how it goes. Like kman42 said, they'll have to do something special to get the money out of me the second time around.
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 08:27 AM
 
No way at all. Why should we pay for the same stuff we used to have?
Hope Stevie is giving us great reasons in just half an hour!
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 08:32 AM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by dazzla:
<strong>I'll pay the first time round (if they don't try and screw over the UK market) and see how it goes. Like kman42 said, they'll have to do something special to get the money out of me the second time around.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">I agree this time yes...

After a year we will see....

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Jul 17, 2002, 08:40 AM
 
People have to realise that just because it's the internet, it doesn't have to be free. Unfortunately during the IT boom when everything was magical, everyone got used to getting things for free. They're in a position now where it's biting them in the ass.

I think $100 is excessive but some sort of fee was always going to be inevitable.
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 08:50 AM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by dazzla:
<strong>People have to realise that just because it's the internet, it doesn't have to be free. Unfortunately during the IT boom when everything was magical, everyone got used to getting things for free. They're in a position now where it's biting them in the ass.

I think $100 is excessive but some sort of fee was always going to be inevitable.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">I wouldn't expect something for free, but a lot of people already have an e-mail address (via their ISP at least) which is the most compelling thing of .Mac.

And many need and have their own domain (or could get one for less than $100) with e-mail and storage space.

So for the additional value of .Mac (calendar and screen saver) $100 is way too steep!
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Jul 17, 2002, 08:50 AM
 
I agree free stuff on the internet does not work you need to have a business model. You also cannot have Apple spending all that R+D money on .Mac accounts.

My tube (Subway to you Yanks) ticket costs �5:40 a day.. thats $27 a week. My email account will cost &lt;�1 a week for the first year &lt;�2 a week after that.

THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH.

Is &lt;�1 or &lt;$1 to much to handle a week for an email and 100MB of web space Sheesh.. You proberly loose more money down the back of the sofa!!!! Well not quite but...

Cheers Edwin

p.s. Student discount would be nice :-)
p.p.s Discount of $49 when buying a mac will also be nice.
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 09:05 AM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by edddeduck:
<strong>An unlimited cheap isp is at least half that but does not have easy features like making websites etc. So when you look at it that way its not that bad. As you can have a cheap isp and have all your internet stuff run through .Mac....</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">What is internet stuff? I see a point for e-mail, but I doubt that most internet users would have use for 100MB webspace. A full package would also include a reliable news server for example.
I really don't see people switching to "cheap" ISPs just to pay Apple $100 a year.

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Jul 17, 2002, 12:30 PM
 
Count me out.

Many people, myself included, have been using mac.com for their primary accress for almost three years now. And just as many haven't used any of the other services (iDisk still doesn't have a huge amount of storage space, and there's no server-side language support in HomePage). To yank these e-mail addresses out from under us isn't cool at all.

And that is what they're doing, essentially. Virex is barely worth $30, unless they've seriously amped it up since I last saw it (I seem to remember their GUI app being a really ugly front-end bolted onto a CLI app that didn't come close to comparing to its OS9 capability). And even then, it's only worth paying for once unless they actually make it worth the upgrade price each year, which I doubt they will.

Backups... well, I'd pay $50 a year for that, maybe, but that's it. And stuck behind a modem I can't use that anyway, so I'd very much prefer to be able to opt out of that part and not have to pay for something I can't use, thank you very much.

Webspace... Unless they offer some form of server-side scripting, Webspace -even a hundred megs of it- isn't worth anywhere near the $60/year they claim. And HomePage doesn't. Worth $10/year, max. And once again, many people get their Webspace elsewhere; this should be an optional service.

I can get a free e-mail address anywhere. Granted, I require POP access, but I can still get it far more cheaply than they claim.

In short, .Mac doesn't offer enough payment options, and comes out to be quite possible the most ridiculously overpriced thing ever to come out of Apple, except perhaps the Macintosh IIfx back in The Day. I hate to abandon my primary e-mail address of nearly three years, but it's not worth a hundred bucks a year, or even fifty.
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Jul 17, 2002, 12:46 PM
 
The frustrating thing about .Mac's price...

Is that I feel that they are worth paying for. For me, about $30 / year.

With the new features to come, I might even be willing to pay $50 / year.

But $100 / year? That's far too much.

I don't know. I may sign up for 1 one-year membership, and see how it goes. Or I may not. I find the current (normal) price just short of outrageous.
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 12:48 PM
 
[edit: so entertaining, I had to say it twice.]

<small>[ 07-17-2002, 12:50 PM: Message edited by: lookmark ]</small>
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 12:56 PM
 
No way for me. My ISP includes 5 e-mail addresses (or was it 7? I can't remember.), 10MB of space, and a web mail service. So basically there's no way I'm paying for the same thing. Only now I have to move my web page and e-mail .
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Jul 17, 2002, 12:58 PM
 
Il live in Argentina. A US$ here is equal to $4. Imagine you paying 400 bucks a year (and that being slightly less of half of what what you earn per month). Not the price seem s expensive to me. I cannot afford that.

Y no entienden nada... ¡y cómo se divierten!...
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 01:05 PM
 
.mac has very little that my wife and I want or need beyond the email account.

I'll probably try out .mac on one of our current iTools accounts for 1 year, just to see if it could possibly be worth $100/yr. Hopefully Apple will introduce .macLite (email only or similar to their current 'trial') at greatly reduced prices before MWNY next year.

We only really use the Email feature of iTools. So we really can't see spending $150/yr for our 6 @mac.com email addresses when our ISP includes 10 'additional' email accounts with our basic DSL subscription. FWIW I just locked in several of those extra account names at our ISP to mirror our existing @mac.com Email accounts. Now we have until Sept to send out the change of address messages with a note about how short sighted Apple has become with their .mac 'service'. BTW our original notifications when we opened these .mac.com addresses included a note about the perks of being a Mac user.

Steve and the boys have been smoking too much of their own dope. Even with a good broad band connection, I found the demo of the value of the new .mac features to be shockingly naive.
* iSync - I'm expected want to synchronize my Home and Work computer via my .mac account on an internet connection? I'd need a T3 just to get them sync'd before I went to bed each night.
* iCal - My wife and I are expected to want to keep our calendars sync'd via .mac, via the internet, when the two Macs are already networked here at home? The concept of storing this kind of personal info on any internet server is not appealing either.
* Backup - I'm expected to want to backup my Mac to an .mac account? I just backuped my Tibook yesterday to 5 DVDs and my wife's Mac to 2 DVDs. Even our dailies would measure in the 10s - 100s of MB.

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Jul 17, 2002, 01:05 PM
 
My ISP offers me five Email addys, web based mail, 50Mbs of webspace and DSL and dial-up. Apple doesn't offer shit apart from a way of synching calenders. If they offer me a DSL service with iTools/.Mac included then I'll pay for that.
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Jul 17, 2002, 01:23 PM
 
I use the IMAP feature of my mac.com mail everyday, from multiple places. My ISP doesn't do it and my web-server doesn't do it. And I can't find one that will do it for 8 bucks a month more than I pay now.

Worth it just for that alone, I say.

Most of you just don't seem to apply any value to .mac because you never had to pay for it. That does not negate any real value it may have.. you simply just never had to pay.

For current users... $1 dollar a week. Less than a 20oz Coke
For new users... $2 a week. Less than a Latte anywhere. (baring $1 Tuesday )

I think I'll go order mine now.


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Jul 17, 2002, 01:27 PM
 
For the first year....yes, but only for $50....after that...we will see....

I will probably wait unti right before the cut off date. They are going to have to add some really neat things in order to get me to pay $100.
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Jul 17, 2002, 01:33 PM
 
This service is definitely not worth it unless you have broadband. Broadband is the only way you can take advantage of this service. I will probably try it for the first year and then we shall see.
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 01:35 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by zazou:
<strong>I use the IMAP feature of my mac.com mail everyday, from multiple places. My ISP doesn't do it and my web-server doesn't do it. And I can't find one that will do it for 8 bucks a month more than I pay now.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"><a href="http://www.m6.net" target="_blank">http://www.m6.net</a>

Disk space 500mb
Network transfer rate 3gb
Mailboxes Unlimited (w/ Webmail and IMAP)
Web sites 1
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Monthly fee $8
Set-up fee $10

Also includes:

Auto responders
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ODBC System and File Connections
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Jul 17, 2002, 01:35 PM
 
Apple!!! Are you on crack?!?!?

And for those of you who think that "the web is not free", "there is no free lunch", etc, do you really think that Apple can charge anything it wants and be justified??? Please.

iTools has never, EVER, been free. The cost has always been paid out of other revenue streams.

Note to Apple: "Switching" goes both ways.

How the hell am I going to show off to my PC friends the advantages of a Mac when I can't really tell them that they get iDisk, etc??? PC's have all that available to them too if they want to pay. And its better on their side (yesterday I logged into my iDisk from a PC and it's soooooo fast).

So now what do I show them? Unix underpinnings (whoopee!!), Spring loaded folders (let me run and spend $4000 on a Mac).

Screw you Apple! I'm off .Mac. My girlfriend is off .Mac. My mom, dad, two brothers, cousin, uncle, 4 friends are all off .Mac. And I will no longer recommend Apple. Hey, maybe I'll even take a serious look at a PC before I make my decision on a new computer. Just maybe.....
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Jul 17, 2002, 01:39 PM
 
I already joined, i'll see what it's like the first year and if i don't use it then ditch it. I think it sucks that people who have been using the email account as their primary mail address now have to pay for the whole thing, personally I think they should at least offer the option of the mail account alone for say $10.

Email is useful for everyone, web services don't appeal to those with slow connections or those worried about security, and are only of limited appeal to those with high speed connections. I have a 20Gb portable hard drive and an iPod which are both far more useful for carrying data around. Failing that most people have CD writers and a CD is like 30 cents.

Anyway, we'll see how it goes, I'm probably wasting my money, I think the main point is Apple can't afford iTools anymore, it's pay for it or lose it, losing it looks really bad so they've done this.
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Jul 17, 2002, 01:49 PM
 
The question should be "Have you already joined", and my answer would be "yes". Worth a try for $49.
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 04:36 PM
 
Yes I will and here is why.

Backing up is a pain. Bandwidth is expensive. Software is not cheap.

Ok. So I get a backup solution (iBackup or whatever) disk space, email, etc. This is great for first time people. My mother, for example, would no more use or figure out Retrospect (or pay the $79 for it) but this she could use. Simple.

Again: All of this would be null and void if they had just left email for people and added this service.

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Jul 17, 2002, 05:03 PM
 
To the question, "No, I will not be buying a .mac account." I don't use .mac all that much, it was nice for a while. For the next 4 years I can use my on campus e-mail and web hosting. Why would I need .mac? I'm sure most college students and staff have the same access (while at school). Even out of school, getting a cable or DSL line put into my house will probably come with e-mail and web hosting. I mean, how else can one "sinc" his or her Mac from office to home without a high speed line in the first place.
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 06:11 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by ls -al:
<strong>Simple Yes or No!

<a href="http://sounds.wavcentral.com/movies/monty/bastards.wav" target="_blank">Personally this is what I think ...</a></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Let's see... $30 for QT6 Pro, $129 for Jagwire (sic) and $49 for .mac (if you signed up for .iTools before today) otherwise it's $99. So up to $280 if you bought a Mac on Monday and want to keep current/maintain features. Riiiiiight.

Jagwire should be $99 (I just want a Finder that's not as bad as Windows 1.0's MSDOS Executive, and maybe QE will mean no skipping in iTunes when I use the scroll button). I was leaning towards that $30 for QT6 Pro. I signed up for iTools before now but never really did anything with it. Yet. Been too busy. Now it's really pointless.
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Jul 17, 2002, 06:16 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Brazuca:
<strong>So now what do I show them? Unix underpinnings (whoopee!!), Spring loaded folders (let me run and spend $4000 on a Mac).</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Off topic but spring-loaded folders can be had on Windows if you get objectdesktop.net. It's been available for years and has more options.
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Jul 17, 2002, 07:11 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Appleman:
<strong>No way at all. Why should we pay for the same stuff we used to have?
Hope Stevie is giving us great reasons in just half an hour!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Uh, because it costs money to host, and that Apple found the opportunity to make money of all the great .mac services? Just look at the poll, about 50% will pay, that`ll sure bring in a lot of cash if it`s close to representative to the 2 million iTools users!
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Jul 17, 2002, 07:19 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by dru:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Brazuca:
<strong>So now what do I show them? Unix underpinnings (whoopee!!), Spring loaded folders (let me run and spend $4000 on a Mac).</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Off topic but spring-loaded folders can be had on Windows if you get objectdesktop.net. It's been available for years and has more options.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Dude that stuff is $50 which is close to half the price of OS X. However it looks nice, but people are complaining about .mac? Geez...
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Jul 17, 2002, 07:21 PM
 
I have already converted my trial account just to see the new features. They are cool, but the real reason I am willing to pay is to keep my email address.
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 07:27 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by karbon:
Just look at the poll, about 50% will pay, that`ll sure bring in a lot of cash if it`s close to representative to the 2 million iTools users!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">I don't think the math will work out that nicely for Apple. Even if there are 2 million iTools _accounts_ there are NOT 2 million iTools _users_. I have several iTools accounts (just for the unique email addresses) and I won't be converting them to .mac accounts. Although i might pay $10/yr for a few Email only accounts.

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Jul 17, 2002, 07:34 PM
 
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Jul 17, 2002, 07:47 PM
 
I have a hard time believing anyone is seriously considering switching from Apple over .Mac. If you are, think hard before you do. First off, using windows is a bear and secondly you have to deal with M$ and remember what their plan is for .NET and subscription based services for everything. Good luck if you leave, but I think you'll are over reacting.

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Jul 17, 2002, 07:49 PM
 
That poll is running fairly close.
I voted because yes a pop email address not linked to an ISP or a 'fly-by-night' internet startup is handy. Worth $100 (�65?) per year it is not. I will just use my ISP provided addresses thanks.
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 07:57 PM
 
On another forum a long-time member contacted a friend who is an Apple insider. He said that Apple will be offering OS X 10.2 to .mac customers for $20. This promotion should be out within a couple of weeks. Would that make a difference to anyone? $70 for Jaguar and one year of .mac.
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Jul 17, 2002, 08:01 PM
 
Well, I've just downloaded backup (full functionality only with full .Mac account) and had a play and it's exactly what I'm looking for. Very very nice app.

Virus checker is a bit redundant on OS X really isn't it?

Plus, the @mac email and the 100mb space is a godsend to me, $50 is a bargain.
     
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by g. olson:
<strong>On another forum a long-time member contacted a friend who is an Apple insider. He said that Apple will be offering OS X 10.2 to .mac customers for $20. This promotion should be out within a couple of weeks. Would that make a difference to anyone? $70 for Jaguar and one year of .mac.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">That would be a steal if you could get Jaguar and .Mac for $70.

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Jul 17, 2002, 08:14 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by g. olson:
<strong>On another forum a long-time member contacted a friend who is an Apple insider. He said that Apple will be offering OS X 10.2 to .mac customers for $20. This promotion should be out within a couple of weeks. Would that make a difference to anyone? $70 for Jaguar and one year of .mac.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Doesn`t seem very likely to me, and why on earth didn`t Steve Jobs say that today then? At least it would have made a lot of additional .mac subscriptions before august 24th!
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Jul 17, 2002, 08:40 PM
 
i did. 1/2 price and i was a sold sucka.

yet for some reason, smtp.mac.com is not responding.

shizz...

but i expect good things. backup is nice. soon with isync and my ipod, i be icovered, information-wise.
     
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by [email protected]:
<strong>backup is nice.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Indeed, backup sweetened the deal for me:

<a href="http://idisk.mac.com/jimbobjr/Public/backup1.jpg" target="_blank">http://idisk.mac.com/jimbobjr/Public/backup1.jpg</a>
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<a href="http://idisk.mac.com/jimbobjr/Public/backup5.jpg" target="_blank">http://idisk.mac.com/jimbobjr/Public/backup5.jpg</a>
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 08:47 PM
 
Yes I am. I'm, a sucker for things new. .Mac seems pretty cool
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Jul 17, 2002, 08:49 PM
 
I signed up and gave apple my $49. sucka!
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 08:55 PM
 
I believe this .Mac problem that some people on the boards are having really has to do with a free e-mail address, and a little hard drive space. Namely, they were free, and now they're not. And I have to agree, if they promised it to be free for life, well dagnabbit, they should keep it that way...

However, I think if these services generate money for Apple, all the more power to them. One e-mail address wouldn't be too much to ask I'd think, tho... especially if it was IMAP and they didn't have a bunch of users all checking their e-mail every 2 minutes.
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 08:58 PM
 
Am I correct that the only way iCal will work is through .mac? If so, we get 75 days from now to decide if we want to do the half price deal for .mac. iCal comes out in September just before or just missing this deadline? Will we be able to try all the features first before making a decision?

Also if there is a special deal for Jag and .mac combo this would be a no brainer for me. Why didn't Apple mention this today instead of getting everyones short hairs in a bunch? Guess they want to get as much as they can for a few weeks and then make the early adopters angry?
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 09:04 PM
 
Whatever money Apple spent on maintaining iTools was worth every cent in terms of the good will it created among mac users. For what I was using it for (I made a web page for my class, E mail for my daughter), it is not worth $100 per year. I hope they create a ".Mac lite." Most casual users don't want or need a whole bunch of extra services that with no practical uses. This will prove to be an enormous blunder and undermine any future success. I am sure some "bean counter" has suggested charging for iTools and this is the result. Looks like like Apple is adopting the Micro$oft business model. <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" />
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Jul 17, 2002, 09:23 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by catscout:
<strong>I see no advantage in .Mac</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Exactly. I started doing some searching around on web host providers. Most now provide webmail interfaces along with 50-100MB disk space, 50 email addresses, free domain registration for little more than the price of iTools^H^H^H^H^H.Mac.

The bigger problem I see down the road is that .Mac integrates with OS X. In the future, Apple will be integrating it even more so that it's totally possible that NOT having a .Mac account could mean reduced functionality on your own Mac!

Think about it: today, not having a .Mac account means the "Go-&gt;iDisk" menu command in Finder is useless (along with all the Open/Save dialog boxes). The "Home Page" option in iPhoto is useless.

In the near future, not having a .Mac account, in addition to the above, means using an AOL IM account in iChat (at least there's a workaround). The iCal sharing feature is unavailable (I think this is the case right?). The iSync feature to sync address books between multiple Macs is unavailable.

Apple may push ALOT of functionality to the .Mac side, making non-.Mac members almost orphans in the Mac realm. I didn't want to be held hostage by Microsoft and so I switched to Macs. Think of it like this: Apple's saying "You can do all this for the low cost of $1299...and $100 for the rest of your life."

Sure added functionality should mean added cost, but should it really be rented out like that?
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 09:31 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by funkboy:
<strong>I believe this .Mac problem that some people on the boards are having really has to do with a free e-mail address, and a little hard drive space. Namely, they were free, and now they're not. And I have to agree, if they promised it to be free for life, well dagnabbit, they should keep it that way...

However, I think if these services generate money for Apple, all the more power to them. One e-mail address wouldn't be too much to ask I'd think, tho... especially if it was IMAP and they didn't have a bunch of users all checking their e-mail every 2 minutes.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">You know, that could very well be the problem. But Apple could've anticipated it and grandfathered it, giving free email to all who have signed up already. Or they could offer free .mac accounts for one year for anyone who buys a new Mac. That just makes total sense. Not offering it is a huge blunder IMHO.

Think about it, you're in a store and a sales person at the register says "Oh, remember the one click publishing for iPhoto and the iCal calendar sharing? Yeah, that's an extra $100...a year, for the rest of the life of your Mac." Yeah, that'll go over real well. Much better to say it's free for one year. I guess the free 60 days is supposed to cover that, but that's pretty cheapy.

I'll be using my next 60 days to figure out the alternatives and getting ready to switch out of my mac.com address.
     
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Jul 17, 2002, 10:01 PM
 
i went for it, at $49, to see how it would work for the next year. I really like the Backup app, works well, even when in the background. Surprisingly fast, for something that uses the iDisk.
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