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Dark Helmet · Nov 20, 2006, 06:58 PM

Yep and i agree with them. I am sure 90% of his problems will be fixed with software updates. Games will also come in great supply next year.

To be fair though many of the problems he mentions were also on the 360 and it took them like 8 months to add/change/fix them.

Eug Wanker · Nov 20, 2006, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Yep and i agree with them.

Have you tried it somewhere yet? I haven't seen the PS3 on display yet here.

To be fair though many of the problems he mentions were also on the 360 and it took them like 8 months to add/change/fix them.

True. However, is seems that MS went with easy first, and added features later. I haven't tried the PS3, but it seems from reports they went features first, but with a clunky implementation.

Dark Helmet · Nov 20, 2006, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Have you tried it somewhere yet? I haven't seen the PS3 on display yet here.

No, but I am not impressed with the launch titles or the constrained supply.

The price and software bugs don't bother me as the price will come down, I don't find it high for what you get and the software bugs can be fixed.

On the same note I wasn't impressed with the Wii and 360 launch titles either. Systems need a year before you can really judge, so far the 360 has been doing very well as my only complains are the huge power supply, the noise, shitty BC list and the HD-DVD drive should have been built in. None are worth skipping the system for though.

Gears of war has shown that it is way more powerful than the already impressive games from a year ago.

fhoubi · Nov 20, 2006, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

The New York Times hates the PS3.

Wauw...

Chuckit · Nov 20, 2006, 07:33 PM

There's a PS3 on display at my local Target. I don't know what the game was — some racing game — but it looked awesome and the analog stick is the nicest I've ever felt. So from trying it, that's my impression. I guess you can't tell all the niggling problems from that, though.

itai195 · Nov 20, 2006, 07:48 PM

I think that's the MotorStorm demo they have on the units at Target. Not out till next year. I was impressed with how sleek the system itself looks, but it's as big as I thought it would be. Not sure I have space for it.

ink · Nov 21, 2006, 02:35 PM

Game|Life

Looks like the PSP/PS3 integration is only marginally useful.

I think they copied the GCN/GBA concept a little _too_ closely.

TETENAL · 02:48 PM

Maybe the Cell is powerful enough to do PS2 emulation in software, but the software wasn't ready yet. If so, then future PS3s might be able to drop the hardware PS2 and therefore reduce cost once the software emulator is ready.

Dark Helmet · Nov 21, 2006, 03:19 PM

Ok now Slate hates the Wii:

Why you shouldn't buy the Nintendo Wii. - By Erik Sofge - Slate Magazine

goMac · Nov 21, 2006, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Ok now Slate hates the Wii:

Why you shouldn't buy the Nintendo Wii. - By Erik Sofge - Slate Magazine

I don't know why you insist on cross posting, but here is the link again:

http://www.slate.com/id/2154158/

Jolt21 · Nov 21, 2006, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

I don't know why you insist on cross posting

damn. you put him on blast

Dark Helmet · Nov 21, 2006, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

I don't know why you insist on cross posting, but here is the link again:

http://www.slate.com/id/2154158/

Ha ha nice try.

I had bets on your reply and I pegged it exactly

goMac · Nov 21, 2006, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Ha ha nice try.

I had bets on your reply and I pegged it exactly

Gee. You post with "Slate hates the Wii", and I post back with an article posted at the same time saying how much one of their writers loves the Wii. You see, you've confused an opinion piece with a review. An opinion piece is, often, when two writers are brought in to write about two opposing viewpoints. One writes for something, another writes against it. The articles are posted at the same time.

Somehow this is all way over your head and you believe this article is a review from Slate, even though it lacks any rating what so ever.

goMac · Nov 21, 2006, 04:59 PM

Gates comments on the PS3 sales:
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/bill-ga...cks-216214.php

PS3 vs. Wii:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/entertainment/ci_4695488

Software fix for Wii issues:
http://www.wiiregamers.com/rumors/4996

goMac · Nov 21, 2006, 05:29 PM

Ars gives the PS3 6/10:
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/ps3.ars/1

Eug · Nov 21, 2006, 06:26 PM

EB Games has gotten their second PS3 shipment in, in some states.

Microsoft has just released their HD DVD update, which addresses issues with certain HD DVD discs.

Eug Wanker · Nov 21, 2006, 10:47 PM

Gears of War sells 1 Million copies in 2 weeks

A million units sold in just two weeks. That makes Gears of War the fastest-selling original Xbox game of all time (non-sequel).

On top of that, there have been more than 10 million gameplay sessions, 7 million Achievements earned, and it's earned the distinction of being the best-reviewed next gen title of the year.

Gears of War just released in Europe, and in just two days, our friends in Australia and New Zealand join in the fun.

Nov 22, 2006, 10:24 AM

While GoW is darn purty, I totally suck at it. I'm about 20 minutes into the game and can't make it any further. Go ahead, laugh it up.

The lack of being able to use cheat codes on the 360 is starting to really irk me.

Nov 22, 2006, 10:25 AM

Anyone know when the 360 Media Store (or whatever it's called) is going to open? I heard it was today but nothing so far...

mdc · Nov 22, 2006, 10:33 AM

Everything I saw when I was on the Marketplace a few days ago said 11.22. It's around 6am on the West coast, so I assume in a few hours when people get to work at Microsoft, they'll flip the switch and everyone can download stuff. . . which I hope is faster than downloading demos.

Keep at Gears of War by the way. You get used to the controls. Just keep covering and diving around. Playing it like a regular Run and Gun FPS will get you killed quickly.

Nov 22, 2006, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by mdc

Everything I saw when I was on the Marketplace a few days ago said 11.22. It's around 6am on the West coast, so I assume in a few hours when people get to work at Microsoft, they'll flip the switch and everyone can download stuff. . . which I hope is faster than downloading demos.

Keep at Gears of War by the way. You get used to the controls. Just keep covering and diving around. Playing it like a regular Run and Gun FPS will get you killed quickly.

Guess I'm impatient - it's up now.

From Endgadet:
TV Shows:
$2.00 - SD Quality
$3.00 - HD Quality

Movies:
$3.00 - SD Quality
$6.00 - HD Quality

48 Movies, 50 TV Shows

'V For Vendetta' is up there, too. With that, it just pwned iTunes' selection.

11:54 AM

I hate this point system. Feels like getting shafted such as at festivals where you have to buy tickets for food and drink. It's not just MS, either.

Snipped for MacDaillyNews: Microsoft's "points" are designed to confuse consumers and generate interest income from "left over" amounts. Now you know exactly why "1 Microsoft Point" doesn't equal "1 U.S. Cent." Boy, if Microsoft can dupe enough people into this Microsoft Points scheme, those "left overs" will really add up.

Article here: http://www.macdailynews.com/index.ph...rosoft_points/

ort888 · Nov 22, 2006, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by screamingFit

Guess I'm impatient - it's up now.

From Endgadet:
TV Shows:
$2.00 - SD Quality
$3.00 - HD Quality

Movies:
$3.00 - SD Quality
$6.00 - HD Quality

48 Movies, 50 TV Shows

'V For Vendetta' is up there, too. With that, it just pwned iTunes' selection.

Any word on how much disk space the HD movies take up? I'm at work and can't check.

Jolt21 · Nov 22, 2006, 12:19 PM

i thought i saw a pic from before showing that the HD V for VEndetta was like 16 gb or something? correct me if i'm wrong.

Nov 22, 2006, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

Any word on how much disk space the HD movies take up? I'm at work and can't check.

Here's some screen grabs from Joystiq and has some disk space sizes:
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/22/xb...-6-hd-rentals/

Nov 22, 2006, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Jolt21

i thought i saw a pic from before showing that the HD V for VEndetta was like 16 gb or something? correct me if i'm wrong.

6.1GB

Still, I'm going to have to delete some demos and junk to get it to fit.

Jolt21 · Nov 22, 2006, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by screamingFit

6.1GB

Still, I'm going to have to delete some demos and junk to get it to fit.

oh. i thought i saw a 6 and a 1. guess i mixed up the order

starman · 02:58 PM

hai2u from my PS3

Dakar² · Nov 22, 2006, 12:55 PM

Interesting.

Mrjinglesusa · Nov 22, 2006, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by starman

Just scored a PS3.

Nice. Hope it wasn't from EBay.

I think it's hilarious that people thought they would be getting thousands for them there and are now barely getting $1200. Suckers.

Eug · Nov 22, 2006, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa

Nice. Hope it wasn't from EBay.

I think it's hilarious that people thought they would be getting thousands for them there and are now barely getting $1200. Suckers.

I was hoping they wouldn't even get $900. $1200 is still 100% profit.

Weezer · Nov 22, 2006, 02:26 PM

Chuckit · Nov 22, 2006, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Weezer

To be fair, that just means the Wii and PS3 have both sold out so far, and Wii has a bigger supply at the moment.

Weezer · Nov 22, 2006, 02:30 PM

yup, but those numbers are updated constantly, so they will be interesting in 6 months

Jolt21 · Nov 22, 2006, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Weezer

why do i see nothing here?

goMac · Nov 22, 2006, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Jolt21

why do i see nothing here?

I figured it was the websense filter here at work.

Eug · Nov 22, 2006, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Weezer

Personally, I think that 275000 PS3 number is too low. I'm guessing it's well over 300000, and possibly in the range of 400000 or higher. Remember, Japan got 88000, and Canada alone got 32000 (according to CBC.ca). Canada usually gets roughly about 10% of what the US gets.

Still, even with all of those PS3s out there, Blu-ray disc sales at Amazon haven't increased all that much it seems, despite the fact even just 275000 PS3 represents probably something like a 10-fold increase in overall Blu-ray players. It's still a bit early to tell, but my guess the Blu-ray-exclusive studios are getting a little nervous that the PS3 didn't lead to the hugely increased BD sales as quickly as some people had predicted.

Kenneth · Nov 22, 2006, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by screamingFit

I hate this point system. Feels like getting shafted such as at festivals where you have to buy tickets for food and drink. It's not just MS, either.

Snipped for MacDaillyNews: Microsoft's "points" are designed to confuse consumers and generate interest income from "left over" amounts. Now you know exactly why "1 Microsoft Point" doesn't equal "1 U.S. Cent." Boy, if Microsoft can dupe enough people into this Microsoft Points scheme, those "left overs" will really add up.

Article here: http://www.macdailynews.com/index.ph...rosoft_points/

Week ago, I was tempted to buy 2,000 MS Points, but I decided not to. I won the Xbox 360 Core system 7 months ago, so I don't have a 20GB HDD on top of it. Meanwhile, I heard that Mircosoft isn't planning to release a larger HDD for the Xbox 360.

Basically, I can't justify the MS Point system and the price of the 20GB HDD.

Jolt21 · Nov 22, 2006, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

Personally, I think that 275000 PS3 number is too low. I'm guessing it's well over 300000, and possibly in the range of 400000 or higher. Remember, Japan got 88000, and Canada alone got 32000 (according to CBC.ca). Canada usually gets roughly about 10% of what the US gets.

actually, i'm pretty sure the projected launch number was more towards 200,000 than 400,000. so 275,000 seems about right.

Sony press release a while ago stated a 400,000 launch in all of north america. and then later had to cut it down due to shortages

Dark Helmet · Nov 22, 2006, 03:02 PM

Brit kids want PS3 not Wii from Santa:
Boys And Girls Want PS3 For Christmas, Not Wii - Kotaku

starman · Nov 22, 2006, 03:04 PM

Wow.

What a f'n awesome machine.

So, now that I've come down to Earth...

It's a 20 GB machine. I didn't want to wait until friggin' EASTER to get a 60 GB.

It's heavy

It's black

It's BADASS.

First and foremost, I was able to use the same component cables from my PS2 with my PS3. The only thing I had to change was the power cord which is the standard computer type.

The unit auto-outputs via analog, so I had to switch to optical before I got audio. No biggie.

It works out of the box in 480i, and I switched it to 1080i /drool.

Standard PSP-type menus. Very easy to navigate.

The PS3 uses standard USB ports. I haven't hooked anything to it yet except the SIXAXIS.

Ridge Racer 7. Absolfrickinlutely AWESOME. There's a definite sense of speed playing this game. Controls are superb.

RR7 had the 1.02 update on the disc. I'm updating to 1.10 now.

The sound is AMAZING.

Blu-Ray worked in 1080i over the PS2's component cables. Watched a little bit of Telladega Nights and Speed.

That's all for now. As soon as the 1.10 update goes through I'll play with it more.

Eug · 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Jolt21

actually, i'm pretty sure the projected launch number was more towards 200,000 than 400,000. so 275,000 seems about right.

Sony press release a while ago stated a 400,000 launch in all of north america. and then later had to cut it down due to shortages

The press release was 400000 for North America, and 100000 for Japan.

Then it was cut down to 80000 in Japan, yet they shipped 88400 in Japan. They never updated the 400000 number for North America.

Let's say NA was cut down by a similar amount as Japan, ie. To 80% of the previous estimate. That would mean 320000 for NA.

320000+88000 = 408000

Even if you subtracted 100000 units from that, you're still left with 308000, which is way more than what nextgen is claiming.

Originally Posted by starman

It works out of the box in 480i, and I switched it to 1080i

Try playing Resistance: Fall of Man.

Dark Helmet · Nov 22, 2006, 03:08 PM

If you don't have a PS3 yet and want to pay retail for one you're gonna have to wait till after christmas. There simply aren't any coming from sony.

starman · Nov 22, 2006, 03:09 PM

I have Resistance, I haven't opened it yet.

Dark Helmet · Nov 22, 2006, 03:10 PM

Or maybe not:
More PS3s inbound! - PS3 Fanboy

Chuckit · Nov 22, 2006, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Brit kids want PS3 not Wii from Santa:
Boys And Girls Want PS3 For Christmas, Not Wii - Kotaku

Strangely enough, they want a PS3 but can't think of any games they want for it. It's almost as though this is pure name recognition…

Eug · Nov 22, 2006, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by starman

I have Resistance, I haven't opened it yet.

Do it, then report back.

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

If you don't have a PS3 yet and want to pay retail for one you're gonna have to wait till after christmas. There simply aren't any coming from sony.

Some EB Games stores in the US already got their second PS3 shipment in.

ort888 · Nov 22, 2006, 03:16 PM

The PS3 launch number is closer to 150,000. Most stores were getting less then half the amount of 360s they got last year, and the 360 shipped 330,000 on launch.

itai195 · Nov 22, 2006, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Strangely enough, they want a PS3 but can't think of any games they want for it. It's almost as though this is pure name recognition…

It was pretty much the same thing with the PS2 in its first year. It didn't have much in the way of great launch games -- a crappy Tekken, SSX, and Madden?

Jolt21 · Nov 22, 2006, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

The press release was 400000 for North America, and 100000 for Japan.

Then it was cut down to 80000 in Japan, yet they shipped 88400 in Japan. They never updated the 400000 number for North America.

Let's say NA was cut down by a similar amount as Japan, ie. To 80% of the previous estimate. That would mean 320000 for NA.

320000+88000 = 408000

Even if you subtracted 100000 units from that, you're still left with 308000, which is way more than what nextgen is claiming.

Try playing Resistance: Fall of Man.

is nextgen worldwide sales? i thought it was only USA, because then their numbers would make perfect sense with the post you just made. if you subtract canada from the 320000, you have around 290000.

if it is worldside, then yea, their numbers are totally wrong.

i cant see the website b/c i'm at work.