[Captain Obvious]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew..._35?hub=Canada

Yeah this was a totally necessary and reasonable step to take in the pursuit of thier national trend of runaway political correctness.
Good call there dumbasses

granted its 8 month old but its the first I hear of it.

[Railroader]

First I've heard of it too.

I'd like to see what would happen if a guy decided to join a cheer leading squad that was traditionally all female and demanded to use the girls locker room. Or a softball team. Or a girls volleyball team.

Interesting.

[shabbasuraj]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew..._35?hub=Canada

Yeah this was a totally necessary and reasonable step to take in the pursuit of thier national trend of runaway political correctness.
Good call there dumbasses

granted its 8 month old but its the first I hear of it.

Wrong forum.

[Warung]

"...teenage hockey dorks all over Canada rejoice!"

/Thread is worthless without pics...

//joking

[Sherwin]

That's the stupidest thing I've heard all week.

[DBursey]

You've misled on the obvious, Captain. The issue was a provincial matter:

News Brunswick's Human Rights Commission has ruled ...

There has (yet) been no appeal to a federal court. Canadian boys can put it away.

[OldManMac]

You're right; it is a good call. Just because some people can't keep their sexual desires under control, and can't separate sex from sports, doesn't mean she should suffer. You can always tell what's really on some peoples' minds, when they point stuff like this out.

[Sherwin]

Originally Posted by KarlG

You're right; it is a good call. Just because some people can't keep their sexual desires under control, and can't separate sex from sports, doesn't mean she should suffer. You can always tell what's really on some peoples' minds, when they point stuff like this out.

Get real dude. All that's happened is that folks can't now get changed properly in a changing room.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally Posted by KarlG

You're right; it is a good call. Just because some people can't keep their sexual desires under control, and can't separate sex from sports, doesn't mean she should suffer. You can always tell what's really on some peoples' minds, when they point stuff like this out.

Why even have "changing rooms" if both sexes can go in? Why not just change in front of the audience.

[SimpleLife]

Originally Posted by Sherwin

Get real dude. All that's happened is that folks can't now get changed properly in a changing room.

What is changing properly?

We have colleges in quebec with unisex bathrooms as decided by the students.

I am not sure how this decision is totally appropriate, but the fact that that girl is pointing at how she is left aside at times when the coach is giving play tips is essential.

If she is part of the team, she deserves the whole support that any other players can get.

This decision is not final; we are going to hear more about it in the next few years, I am prettu sure about it.

In regard of the Human Rights Commission, I really am looking for such a similar situation happening in the States and how it is dealt with...

[Sherwin]

Originally Posted by SimpleLife

What is changing properly?

Taking your undies off and showering.

You're from the French bit of Canada, right? I understand that changing underwear and showers may be alien to your area so I'll cut you some slack on this one.

[SimpleLife]

Originally Posted by Sherwin

Taking your undies off and showering.

You're from the French bit of Canada, right? I understand that changing underwear and showers may be alien to your area so I'll cut you some slack on this one.

Mange un char de marde.

Cheers!

[Sherwin]

Originally Posted by SimpleLife

Mange un char de marde.

Cheers!

Sorry, I don't like French cuisine.

[SimpleLife]

Originally Posted by Sherwin

Sorry, I don't like French cuisine.

You certainly care for French underwear!

Sherwin, I regret what I posted.

On the other hand, I think I have always been respectful to you.

Although I regret posting what I posted, I think you did something wrong right from the beginning. That does not excuse my behavior; afterall, you were the one who derailled the thread with your stupid prejudice/racism, but I will take the blame for my action. To tell you to eat s*** was not appropriate and brought me to your level. I apologize.

Not OK in my book. I am a better person that that, and I believe you can be better that that as well.

So I offer a permanent truce, with my apologies; what say you?

[Sherwin]

Originally Posted by SimpleLife

So I offer a permanent truce, with my apologies; what say you?

I agree, and also offer my apologies.

I still think it's a stupid decision by the human rights commission though.

[SimpleLife]

Originally Posted by Sherwin

I agree, and also offer my apologies.

I still think it's a stupid decision by the human rights commission though.

You are entitled to your own opinion. I appreciate that.

[OldManMac]

Originally Posted by Sherwin

Get real dude. All that's happened is that folks can't now get changed properly in a changing room.

This has nothing to do with changing, and everything to do with her missing out on coaching and team meetings. The article pointed out that most players shower at home. Besides, North America is one of the few places on the planet where people are so hung up on seeing naked people that they have to support an enormous porn industry, while clothing optional beaches are common in many other parts of the world, and nobody gets excited when they see a naked woman on the beach. Here we snicker like little children, and cast furtive glances when we see a woman who might be showing some cleavage.

[SimpleLife]

Originally Posted by KarlG

This has nothing to do with changing, and everything to do with her missing out on coaching and team meetings. The article pointed out that most players shower at home. Besides, North America is one of the few places on the planet where people are so hung up on seeing naked people that they have to support an enormous porn industry, while clothing optional beaches are common in many other parts of the world, and nobody gets excited when they see a naked woman on the beach. Here we snicker like little children, and cast furtive glances when we see a woman who might be showing some cleavage.

omgyes.

[pooka]

Originally Posted by KarlG

and cast furtive glances when we see a woman who might be showing some cleavage.

Anything with a dick does that pretty much everywhere in the world.

And I'm all for women showering in the same area as me. I've been praying for it most of my life.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

Why even have "changing rooms" if both sexes can go in? Why not just change in front of the audience.

Well said.

For you parents out there: Would you want your little girl changing clothes and showering in the same area as a bunch of pubescent boys? I know I wouldn't. What I would have done in this situation was simply ask the coach to save all coaching and instruction for a common room. When I wrestled in HS we had a girl on the team and our coach never talked to use in the shower room. Actually, I can't recall even ever seeing him there. He had his own shower in his office.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew..._35?hub=Canada

Yeah this was a totally necessary and reasonable step to take in the pursuit of thier national trend of runaway political correctness.
Good call there dumbasses

granted its 8 month old but its the first I hear of it.

I see nothing wrong with it and I think she had a point. Its a co-ed team, if she is the only girl that would suck being alone and excluded. just means no one runs around naked or in there undies thats all. Showers are taking at different times. So what is wrong with it?

[Athens]

Originally Posted by SimpleLife

What is changing properly?

We have colleges in quebec with unisex bathrooms as decided by the students.

I am not sure how this decision is totally appropriate, but the fact that that girl is pointing at how she is left aside at times when the coach is giving play tips is essential.

If she is part of the team, she deserves the whole support that any other players can get.

This decision is not final; we are going to hear more about it in the next few years, I am prettu sure about it.

In regard of the Human Rights Commission, I really am looking for such a similar situation happening in the States and how it is dealt with...

Some students at SFU are also trying to get the bathrooms unisex too. A co-ed changing room in my opinion works, section for lockers and then stalls for changing in, it keeps everything that’s suppose to be hidden, hidden and they stay together as a group as well so no one misses out. Americans need to get over there sexual inadequacies, this issue is such a mute issue

[Athens]

Originally Posted by SimpleLife

You certainly care for French underwear!

Sherwin, I regret what I posted.

On the other hand, I think I have always been respectful to you.

Although I regret posting what I posted, I think you did something wrong right from the beginning. That does not excuse my behavior; afterall, you were the one who derailled the thread with your stupid prejudice/racism, but I will take the blame for my action. To tell you to eat s*** was not appropriate and brought me to your level. I apologize.

Not OK in my book. I am a better person that that, and I believe you can be better that that as well.

So I offer a permanent truce, with my apologies; what say you?

Making fun of the french is NOT racism, French are not a Race

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Sherwin

I agree, and also offer my apologies.

I still think it's a stupid decision by the human rights commission though.

Why you havent given any good reasons why it is a stupid reason. Look at the facts. She is the only girl player on the team, which means she is always seperated during important times with her team mates. If perhaps 10 players are girls it wouldnt be such a issue for her. Maybe co-ed teams should just not be banned. The coach didnt have a problem with it, I doubt the players have a problem with it so why is it such a issue?

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Athens

Making fun of the french is NOT racism, French are not a Race

Yes they are:

race1 (rās)
n.
1 A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2 A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3 A genealogical line; a lineage.
Humans considered as a group.
4 Biology.
a An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
b A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.

[Sherwin]

Originally Posted by Athens

Why you havent given any good reasons why it is a stupid reason. Look at the facts.

OK... Let's look at the facts:

It's a changing room. Which, historically, means a place to change one's clothes via means of taking the old ones off and putting the new ones on. This requires nakedness.

I'm European. I frequent "clothes optional" beaches. I have no problem with nakedness. If the ruling was for her to use the same changing room and accept that people get naked in changing rooms (and all the guys were reasonably OK with her getting naked in their changing room), fair enough.

I have a problem with people no longer being able to use a room for what it's been designed for though - just because some stupid little brat can't get on the netball team.

[SimpleLife]

Originally Posted by Sherwin

OK... Let's look at the facts:

It's a changing room. Which, historically, means a place to change one's clothes via means of taking the old ones off and putting the new ones on. This requires nakedness.

You forgot the underwear, which is required to play hockey, otherwise you will damage your skin. Often, the equipment is borrowed and it stinks like you could not believe. You want underwear.

You also need to understand that "changing room" is a general term. We also call these rooms "players room".

Often, showers are in another area and there are stalls with a lockable door, and a changing area, so you can change in your underwear after/before the shower and never expose yourself.

I'm European. I frequent "clothes optional" beaches. I have no problem with nakedness. If the ruling was for her to use the same changing room and accept that people get naked in changing rooms (and all the guys were reasonably OK with her getting naked in their changing room), fair enough.

I have a problem with people no longer being able to use a room for what it's been designed for though - just because some stupid little brat can't get on the netball team.

That is not fair: the "brat" is trying to be part of the team. And as I mentionned, the room may not be what you pictured.

The "changing room" is the area where players put on their equipment and does not require nakedness.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by SimpleLife

You forgot the underwear, which is required to play hockey, otherwise you will damage your skin. Often, the equipment is borrowed and it stinks like you could not believe. You want underwear.

You also need to understand that "changing room" is a general term. We also call these rooms "players room".

Often, showers are in another area and there are stalls with a lockable door, and a changing area, so you can change in your underwear after/before the shower and never expose yourself.

That is not fair: the "brat" is trying to be part of the team. And as I mentionned, the room may not be what you pictured.

The "changing room" is the area where players put on their equipment and does not require nakedness.

You really think this is what is meant in the lawsuit? You think a youth hockey league has a separate room for showering with lockable stalls? Maybe in professional leagues, but certainly not cheaper facilities.

[SimpleLife]

Originally Posted by Railroader

You really think this is what is meant in the lawsuit? You think a youth hockey league has a separate room for showering with lockable stalls? Maybe in professional leagues, but certainly not cheaper facilities.

Did you see their facilities?

Neither did I, but most I have been to in the last 20 years are like I described, and they're cheap.

[Sherwin]

Originally Posted by SimpleLife

The "changing room" is the area where players put on their equipment and does not require nakedness.

OK. This makes the ruling a little less stupid then.

[Railroader]

If you really think this is the case then why do you think in the article it said this:

The ruling does come with a proviso: The boys must wear shorts at all time and girls must wear shorts and t-shirts. Showers must be taken at separate times, although many shower at home anyway.

Why would showers have to be taken at "separate times" if it is in another room altogether with different facilities like you said "showers are in another area and there are stalls with a lockable door"?

Maybe you should have read the article first before commenting?

EDIT: my post is aimed at SimpleLife's post, not Sherwin's

[SimpleLife]

Originally Posted by Railroader

If you really think this is the case then why do you think in the article it said this:


Why would showers have to be taken at "separate times" if it is in another room altogether with different facilities like you said "showers are in another area and there are stalls with a lockable door"?

Maybe you should have read the article first before commenting?

EDIT: my post is aimed at SimpleLife's post, not Sherwin's

So what?

If it's not an accomodation in space, they made one in time, so what's the matter?
It is the same principle, whether I read the article or not.

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally Posted by pooka

Anything with a dick does that pretty much everywhere in the world.

And I'm all for women showering in the same area as me. I've been praying for it most of my life.

Well said.

Sexual desires aren't something you can turn off and on.

To suggest otherwise is to be kinda stupid.

You can pretend that you're somehow superior - but you won't fool anybody.


Edited:

I've been to 'clothing-optional' beaches in Europe - and there ain't no topless women under the age of 45. So that ol' dog won't hunt.

Here in the USA, there are LOTS of young women who are attractive. Something you just don't find in Europe.

So I'm willing to concede that European men aren't interested in seeing nude European women. I can't blame them.

[Athens]

Well Vancouvers Nude beach has lots of hot Students and I felt out of place for having cloth on. Helps its on the UBC lands.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

I've been to 'clothing-optional' beaches in Europe - and there ain't no topless women under the age of 45. So that ol' dog won't hunt.

Here in the USA, there are LOTS of young women who are attractive. Something you just don't find in Europe.

So I'm willing to concede that European men aren't interested in seeing nude European women. I can't blame them.

You must have been going to the wrong beaches Spliffy.
There's plenty of young, good-looking topless women on them.

Looks isn't the problem with European women. The problem is when they open their mouths to speak and you slowly realise that they're socialists (and thus not worth talking to).

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

I've been to 'clothing-optional' beaches in Europe - and there ain't no topless women under the age of 45. So that ol' dog won't hunt.

Here in the USA, there are LOTS of young women who are attractive. Something you just don't find in Europe.

So I'm willing to concede that European men aren't interested in seeing nude European women. I can't blame them.

Next time you visit, if you wipe the drool off your chin and hide your hard-on, you will find that your assessment is *completely* wrong.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Doofy

Looks isn't the problem with European women. The problem is when they open their mouths to speak and you slowly realise that they're socialists (and thus not worth talking to).

Morons don't hit off well with European girls, do they.

You'll get over it.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by analogika

Morons don't hit off well with European girls, do they.

You'll get over it.

Brazilian chicks. Yum.

[Wiskedjak]

Personally, I don't see any reason why one team-mate shouldn't be able to change in the same room as the rest of the team. In fact, isolating one player from the rest of the team in the change room will also likely result in that player being isolated from the rest of the team on the ice.

[villalobos]

Originally Posted by KarlG

This has nothing to do with changing, and everything to do with her missing out on coaching and team meetings. The article pointed out that most players shower at home. Besides, North America is one of the few places on the planet where people are so hung up on seeing naked people that they have to support an enormous porn industry, while clothing optional beaches are common in many other parts of the world, and nobody gets excited when they see a naked woman on the beach. Here we snicker like little children, and cast furtive glances when we see a woman who might be showing some cleavage.

Thank. You.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by KarlG

North America is one of the few places on the planet where people are so hung up on seeing naked people

Actually, women in Ontario have the right to go topless in public, not just nude beaches.

To Captain Obvious: are you worried that some rights and freedoms enjoyed by Canadians but not Americans might spill over into the US?

[budster101]

Spill Spill Spill... The topless rights...