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Dec 10, 2004, 02:56 PM
 



I was originaly excited about this! But after seeing the preview on Yahoo..
i cant help but feel a little let down. What happend to Tim Burton and
Danny Elfmen? They used to be the best at creapy movies with carnival
like freeks. Especialy Dark and mysterious movies (IE the original Batman).

Go see the preview on yahoo.. and let me know what you think. /

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Dec 10, 2004, 03:13 PM
 
Charlie and the Chocolate factory was never supposed to be just plain creepy.

It was supposed to be fun and whimsical on the surface, but a little more serious underneath. It's about having fun, but also knowing what responsibility and respect means.

I'm still undecided on this movie. The Gene Wilder version was great. But I haven't seen enough in the trailer to judge - which is a good thing.
     
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Dec 10, 2004, 03:30 PM
 
Originally posted by hayesk:
Charlie and the Chocolate factory was never supposed to be just plain creepy.

It was supposed to be fun and whimsical on the surface, but a little more serious underneath. It's about having fun, but also knowing what responsibility and respect means.

I'm still undecided on this movie. The Gene Wilder version was great. But I haven't seen enough in the trailer to judge - which is a good thing.
Have you SEEN the old movie recently. I couldn't believe I didn't see its ****ed-upedness as a child. The movie scares me now!
     
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Dec 10, 2004, 03:38 PM
 
GREAT topic!

I love the original!

I LOVE Johnny Depp! Johnny Depp deserves an Oscar. He deserved one for his pirate movie.

Tim Burton is great and this movie is going to mean an Oscar for Johnny.

     
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Dec 10, 2004, 03:40 PM
 
Oh, and yes, the original has some dark moments.

The Oompa Loompas are creepy. The girl that turns into a blueberry. The part where Charlie almost rises into the turbine in the bubble tube or silo.

A LOT of dark moments, ESPECIALLY the scene with Wilder in the office where he has the conversation with Charlie and his grandfather and he tells them to get out and go home.

Interesting thread.

     
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Dec 10, 2004, 03:47 PM
 
Apparently when they were casting for Willy Wonka, Marilyn Manson was on the shortlist... could have been interesting.



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Dec 10, 2004, 03:49 PM
 
I hated the original but this on looks sorta neat, Johnny looks like a drag queen in it

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Dec 10, 2004, 03:50 PM
 
Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
Oh, and yes, the original has some dark moments.

The Oompa Loompas are creepy. The girl that turns into a blueberry. The part where Charlie almost rises into the turbine in the bubble tube or silo.

A LOT of dark moments, ESPECIALLY the scene with Wilder in the office where he has the conversation with Charlie and his grandfather and he tells them to get out and go home.

Interesting thread.
Serious and threatening for sure, but I wouldn't call it dark. To me dark describes the mood and the atmosphere, not just whether or not someone is in peril or how serious the scene is. But hey, that's just me.
     
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Dec 10, 2004, 03:53 PM
 
Didja catch the extra large pair of scissors in Depp's hand?

Depp's look in this doesn't fit the part.
He looks like the female beatnick from The Incredables.
     
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Dec 10, 2004, 03:54 PM
 
Looks like a cute folksy type of trailer.

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Dec 10, 2004, 04:58 PM
 
Originally posted by wdlove:
Looks like a cute folksy type of trailer.
WHAT!?

This looks like another bastardization of a great story by our dear hack director Burton. And as for Depp, the guy his high on his own success, and he's just acting like a neckless goober weirdo in some of his more recent successful movies. Maybe he's found his niche, and that's fine, but leave Willy Wonka out of it.
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Dec 10, 2004, 06:03 PM
 
I posted the trailer in a few other threads already, because it's honestly the most CREEPY thing I've ever seen in my whole entire life. Just for the record I've seen a lot of creepy stuff, but nothing tops the latest hack job by Burton.
Every single thing about Depp in that preview is plain terrifying. His look, his voice, his acting.
If I was a child, I sure the hell wouldn't want to see this movie it would give me nightmares for weeks!
     
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Dec 10, 2004, 09:51 PM
 
why is it "charlie" and not Willie Wonka and the Chocolate factory?
     
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Dec 10, 2004, 09:53 PM
 
I watched it and thought, "WTF?" The first movie was fairly sucky but this one looks creepy, dark and sad.
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Dec 10, 2004, 10:03 PM
 
Originally posted by Apple Pro Underwear:
why is it "charlie" and not Willie Wonka and the Chocolate factory?
Name of the book.
     
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Dec 10, 2004, 10:52 PM
 
Originally posted by MacGorilla:
I watched it and thought, "WTF?" The first movie was fairly sucky but this one looks creepy, dark and sad.
Well, Tim Burton tends to do creepy, dark, and sad movies. At least in the original movie, Willy Wonka LOOKED like a man. I have to agree with the other posters and say that this Johnny Depp Willy Wonka looks more like a woman.

Anyone want to call this movie "Wilma Wonka and the Chocolate Factory?" And does anyone else find the smile on Depp's face in the one scene in the trailer more than a little demented (and disturbing?) And what the fcuk is up with "Chewing gum I think is gross/Chewing gum I hate the most?" The way it's said is pretty creepy... (and not because I know what happens to the girl who chews the gum, either).

The story itself is meant to be a lesson of sorts to kids that Being Selfish And Greedy Has Consequences.™ The original movie seemed to achieve that fairly well (remember that it was aimed at kids). This remake seems to be aimed more at adults who remember seeing the original movie as children, than it is for children themselves.

EDIT: I just looked at the IMDB page for this movie... Christopher Lee as Willy Wonka's Father??? Nowhere in the book did Roald Dahl EVER mention Wonka's father (at least not as an active character anyway...) I could be wrong, of course as it's been at least 20 years since I read the book and it's sequel, "Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator" (which picks up right where the first book leaves off after the elevator leaves the factory and is just beyond bizarre, BTW).
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Dec 11, 2004, 12:46 AM
 
no.
     
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Dec 11, 2004, 02:33 AM
 
I can't wait.
     
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Dec 11, 2004, 06:56 AM
 
woah ... wtf?!

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Dec 11, 2004, 06:59 AM
 
I just watched both trailers.

From the trailer I get the opinion that Johnny Depp was merely doing his version of "Tim Burton Method Acting" and I was not impressed.

Tim Burton should NOT have remade this film. His take on it is not good.

I have to say that I think that Johnny Depp's considerable talent was wasted.

I also think that the reason Burton released these trailers is to feel out the public and see what people think.

Well, Tim, we're not impressed. An Edward Scissorhands version of Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory is NOT what we wanted or anticipated.

It looks like the movie sucks.

Too bad.

     
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Dec 11, 2004, 01:11 PM
 
the gene wilder version REALLY nailed it. solid. creepy, intense and charming. a moral (or more) thats handed over well.

its not even that old of a movie that it needed to be remade.

this. and im only going by the trailer. that bit of dialogue from depp sounds like freaking dr suess, which wonka never did IIRC.

stylistically, meh. whatever. the sets will probably look cool.

tim burton though. hes like a one trick pony. oh look, another tim burton movie. chiche'd goth crap to the gills. im not looking forward to this.
     
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Dec 11, 2004, 01:21 PM
 
Originally posted by ajprice:
Apparently when they were casting for Willy Wonka, Marilyn Manson was on the shortlist... could have been interesting.

He's got the hat already.
One of the original MM videos was a ripoff of one of the more creepy Willy Wonka scenes.
     
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Dec 11, 2004, 03:04 PM
 
Depp appears to be an absolutely horrible Willy Wonka.
     
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Dec 11, 2004, 03:20 PM
 


I think it's just plain creepy the ideas that people get from these movies....

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Dec 11, 2004, 03:53 PM
 
Downloading the trailer right now. Thanks, gautch.

I'm really torn on this. I love Depp and Burton, and I think it will be good. I'll go see this even if the trailer sucks. Trailers don't tell the whole story.

But I don't see how anyone can ever do better than the original. I can see someone coming close, but that would take a miracle. Gene Wilder was absolutely brilliant in that movie. Bitter, sarcastic, mad scientist insane, whimsical, and so much more all at the same time. It's still one of the most dynamic performances I've ever seen. The rest of the actors were great too. The sets were awesome. It was the whole feel of the movie. It captured the book perfectly. They just nailed it.
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Dec 11, 2004, 04:43 PM
 
I'll wait to see it all in context.

It will be hard to fill Wilder's shoes in this one.
     
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Dec 11, 2004, 04:52 PM
 
I wonder if the way they put that preview together is what makes it looks like it is going to be horible. It was very disapointing to me. I will probably wait for it to come out on base so I don't have to pay for it at all.
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Dec 11, 2004, 11:39 PM
 
I saw the trailer yesterday... and I can't wait to see it.

Looks awesome to me.
     
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Dec 11, 2004, 11:46 PM
 
Christopher Lee
Johnny Depp (in drag looking like that old saggy teacher from Elementary school)

That was…uh…yeah…
Depp even sounds like a woman.
     
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Dec 12, 2004, 09:18 AM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
I am surprised the Hood is absent from this thread.


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Dec 12, 2004, 09:22 AM
 
Wow, so many people can glean an entire movie from a simple trailer. Thought I went to AICN for a second.

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Dec 12, 2004, 11:58 AM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
One of the original MM videos was a ripoff of one of the more creepy Willy Wonka scenes.
Found it, it was Dope Hat

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Dec 12, 2004, 01:17 PM
 
Disturbing.

Disappointing.

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Dec 12, 2004, 11:40 PM
 
Hmmm, not sure if it'll be as bad as everyone's making out.

Sure, no-one'll ever be able to 'do' a Wilder and pull off one of the most enigmatic and charismatic portrayals ever, but that's not to say the original was perfect.

I agree that Depp looks strangely gaunt, and the bowl cut looks like it's been stolen off some German S&M mistress (think Cabaret?) and the overall look of the film seems like it was actually designed for Marilyn Manson circa '94-'95 with Depp doing his best to make the screenplay look like he's not doing a Manson impression. (and found wanting)

But, it should be a laugh and a shock.

6 months or so away, so you never know what the edit'll do to it.

As it appears, I'm more keen to spend a fiver to see this than most other new films due out. I'm just hoping that Burton stops being such a wimp, and doesn't keep going all Oliver Stone (aka Mister style over content) - i.e. Making films that promise darkness and gothique, but turn out as just trite 50's kiddy stories with slightly psychedelic sets. It's like The Rasmus and HIM, you wanna be a goth, be a bloody goth - if you wanna sing Enrique Englesias songs - don't dress it up like The Mission!
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Dec 13, 2004, 01:59 AM
 
i'm so excited for this movie.
Burton has never let me down before, and DAnny Elfman? a GENIUS.

I saw this teaser, and it's just that folks a TEASER.
I've read various things stating how dark this film actually is.
If you watch the original, it is VERY dark in spots...almost to the point where it is scary and hardly concidered a children's movie.

THe screen writer for this flick, did so w/ Burton, and apparently he never saw the original, and wrote it all from the book.
     
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Dec 13, 2004, 02:06 AM
 
I like Burton, I like Depp, and I think Elfman is great. But what to think of this? Wilder's performance in the original was brilliant, can Depp even come close? I think the only reason I am resistant to this movie is because of the original. To be honest, it looks kinda creepy and cool in a 60/70's pyschedelic androgynous sorta way.

Think I'll wait 'til dvd.
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I don't know how anyone can make any comments or conclusions based on a 2 minutes trailer. Hollywood trailers are infamous for showing everything and nothing all at the same time.

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With his recent switch to serious roles, Robin Williams coulda been the perfect Willy Wonka. Another problem with Depp is that for those who know how the end of the story goes, Wonka should be a slightly older character, not so young looking like Depp.
     
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Johnny Depp? I'd do him.
     
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Dec 13, 2004, 02:00 PM
 
Originally posted by SOLIDAge:
i'm so excited for this movie.
Burton has never let me down before, and DAnny Elfman? a GENIUS.

I saw this teaser, and it's just that folks a TEASER.
The thing about teasers is that they should try not to tease you into thinking the film is going to be crappy.

FYI, Depp looks like Anna Wintour and the pedigree of the filmmakers and the best intentions in the world can't stop anyone from making a narrow-minded adaptation.
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Dec 13, 2004, 08:50 PM
 
Originally posted by hayesk:
Charlie and the Chocolate factory was never supposed to be just plain creepy.
Yea it was - well, at least darker than the original movie anyway.

The only problem I see with the teaser is I don't see Depp as Willy Wonka.
     
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Dec 14, 2004, 08:43 AM
 
Originally posted by the_glassman:
Johnny Depp is going to be amazing in this role I think.

I can't wait.

I think the only thing that I will notice is in the original, the strange behavior was pretty subtle (Except for the tunnel) but I think it will be much more obvious with Johnny Depps version.
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Dec 14, 2004, 08:53 AM
 
He looks like Tom Cruise right there. Freaky.

I'm still excited for the movie. I think it'll be good, but we shall see. I trust Depp and Burton can pull it off.
     
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Dec 14, 2004, 09:46 AM
 
Originally posted by the_glassman:
I hate to say it, but in this picture, Depp looks more like my old high school choir director than a male Willy Wonka... except she had long, curly hair.

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Dec 19, 2004, 07:56 AM
 
Originally posted by SamuraiDL:
Johnny Depp? I'd do him.
That's what I thought until I saw this trailer.

Originally posted by RGB:
With his recent switch to serious roles, Robin Williams coulda been the perfect Willy Wonka. Another problem with Depp is that for those who know how the end of the story goes, Wonka should be a slightly older character, not so young looking like Depp.
That's weird... I kept thinking how old he looked throughout the trailer. How old was he in the book? How old was Wilder in that first movie? (How can anyone possibly say the first movie was good by the way?)

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I either see it being VERY good or VERY bad. It's going to be hard to live up to the original. Wilder played Wanka perfectly in my opinion. It felt like he wasn't even acting...
     
 
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