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Originally Posted by Athens View Post
Great.... I just lost all faith my military...
Who f$cking cares ?

Given what I know from you, Canada should be glad they don't have to rely on YOU for protection.

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Apr 1, 2012, 06:12 PM
 
I have worked with Canada Forces personnel on a number of occasions. I spent almost a week with a captain from Ottawa, assisting him in building a documentation package that basically encapsulated the entire training protocol for my specialty, arguably the most broad and technically demanding in the entire suite of Air Force electronics maintenance specialties. I've worked with Canadian soldiers and airmen enough to know that Canada Forces share the same basic ideas behind character (the basic moral character lpkmckenna mentioned, as well as the ones I spoke of) as US military forces (and in general the same as UK forces).

And from reading his writings on this subject, I have no doubt that lpkmckenna is indeed a GI, and specifically a Soldier.

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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Your military idea sucks, to be blunt. I probably would have gone crazy in a bad way being in the military, it most likely would have accomplished nothing positive for me, and I'm certain there are countless others for which this would also apply.


You can't expect conscripts to get the same experience that volunteers do. The receptive state of mind that caused them to volunteer in the first place is an important part of the experience. It's another example of the general rule that you can't help someone without their cooperation.
     
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Originally Posted by lpkmckenna View Post
Not in the military I belong to. Everything and everyone is stretched thin.
All the more reason to find new revenue streams. You don't have an assault course and a couple of shouty drill sergeants?
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Apr 1, 2012, 08:00 PM
 
Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
Who f$cking cares ?

Given what I know from you, Canada should be glad they don't have to rely on YOU for protection.

-t

Dude, you need to learn to control your emotions.

It's unfair that so many conversations are hijacked by your uncontrolled emotions.
     
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Originally Posted by Athens View Post
I thought you where in the UK?
Your powers of perception are mind-blowing.

Originally Posted by ghporter View Post
Our digestive systems are "trained" by our experience as children, so a person who was poorly nourished or was always encouraged to "clean your plate" will have very different issues from someone who always had enought but was encouraged to only eat until full.
This is the difference between my wife and I. I was always told to clean my plate, and I still have the drive to do that today, it takes active thought to say, "Nope, I'm plenty full, I can leave that there." But I usually end up finishing it anyway.
     
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
Your powers of perception are mind-blowing.
Your ability to prove again and again that you are a clown is astonishing. Any thing else even more enlightening you want to share?
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Apr 1, 2012, 11:14 PM
 
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
     
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The force is strong in you
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If Laminar is a clown he's a crappy clown because he doesn't really have any clown tricks, unless he's good at giving kids cotton candy.
     
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Originally Posted by ghporter View Post
I have no doubt that lpkmckenna is indeed a GI
Actually, I'm an army Signaller.
     
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Apr 2, 2012, 06:17 AM
 
We in Comm/Com's/Signals are usually undervalued by everyone else...until they realize that you can't do anything if you can't communicate. But they forget 5 minutes later...

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Originally Posted by ghporter View Post
We in Comm/Com's/Signals are usually undervalued by everyone else...until they realize that you can't do anything if you can't communicate. But they forget 5 minutes later...
Ain't that the truth.
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I suspect that the veracity of Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies is about to be demonstrated.
     
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Originally Posted by lpkmckenna View Post
Actually, I'm an army Signaller.
Do they still use the term a Jimmy? My uncle was a Signaller in the 80's when he was enlisted.
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I suspect that the veracity of Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies is about to be demonstrated.
Damn, you are old !!!
     
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Originally Posted by Athens View Post
Do they still use the term a Jimmy? My uncle was a Signaller in the 80's when he was enlisted.
Oh yes. Nothing makes you feel tough like wearing a naked boy on your forehead.
     
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Originally Posted by mattyb View Post
Damn, you are old !!!
This comment reminds me of how the Nazis send elderly people to the gas chambers.
     
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Apr 3, 2012, 03:27 AM
 
While at Target some massive fatty I barely knew wanted to hold my baby, and all I could think about was the Fat Bastard scene from Austin Powers. I told her, "eh, she's not feeling too well, someone tried to mess with her mojo".
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Apr 3, 2012, 08:53 AM
 
If it had been a skinny semi-stranger, would you have allowed her to hold the baby?

Your answer would have worked to fend off any well-meaning stranger but I don't see how someone else's weight affects you here. Just sounds mean.
     
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Apr 3, 2012, 08:57 AM
 
If it were purely a chemical addiction, then Coca-Cola and Pepsi wouldn't need to spend so much money on advertising.
Market share, like money, is finite in quantity; in order to gain it someone else has to lose it.
     
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Apr 3, 2012, 11:10 AM
 
Asking to hold a baby is a no-no.

I remember I met some old lady who asked for directions. I was walking that way and agreed to show her. She took my daughter's hand and walked a meter behind me and my wife.

The part of the city we were in was swarming with people—imagine a street in the middle of Tokyo. And we lost them!

We spent several crazy, panicky minutes running round thinking, "Oh my God! A crazy lady has taken our daughter."

Then we saw them down a side street laughing together at something in a shop window.

Most horrible few minutes of my life.
     
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Apr 3, 2012, 11:30 AM
 
Originally Posted by Shaddim View Post
wanted to hold my baby
Congrats on the bun!
     
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Apr 3, 2012, 12:28 PM
 
All I think of is the Battlestar Galatica mini series when the 6 I think it was snapped that babies neck at the market.
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Apr 3, 2012, 01:04 PM
 
Right! So beware skinny b!tches in red dresses.
     
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Whole Health Source: U.S. Weight, Lifestyle and Diet Trends, 1970- 2007

Between 1970 and 1980, something changed in the U.S. that caused a massive increase in obesity and other health problems. Some combination of factors reached a critical mass that our metabolism could no longer tolerate. The three biggest changes in the American diet since 1970:
An increase in cereal grain consumption, particularly wheat.
An increase in sweetener consumption
The replacement of meat and milk fat with industrial vegetable oils, with total fat intake remaining the same.
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Apr 3, 2012, 09:57 PM
 
Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
If it had been a skinny semi-stranger, would you have allowed her to hold the baby?

Your answer would have worked to fend off any well-meaning stranger but I don't see how someone else's weight affects you here. Just sounds mean.
If they aren't family or a very close friend, they ain't handling my cub.
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Apr 3, 2012, 10:10 PM
 
That's my feeling also, but your earlier post made it sound like skinny strangers had a better chance than fat ones.
     
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Apr 3, 2012, 10:39 PM
 
Well, I probably wouldn't have had the flashback to Austin Powers if she were skinny.
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Apr 8, 2012, 02:41 AM
 
I hope your kid ends up super fat.
     
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Apr 8, 2012, 05:39 AM
 
Americans aren't fat. Obesity isn't bad for your health just as 2nd hand smoking isn't bad.

Obesity, 2nd hand smoke, and global warming is just a liberal conspiracy perpetuated by the liberal media, so that socialist Nazi Democrats can tell you what to eat, what to drive, and what to smoke.

It's all a freaking conspiracy!

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There ya go. I use both 'Nazi' and 'Liberal Media'.
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Originally Posted by Shaddim View Post
While at Target some massive fatty I barely knew wanted to hold my baby, and all I could think about was the Fat Bastard scene from Austin Powers. I told her, "eh, she's not feeling too well, someone tried to mess with her mojo".
Sounds like you're afraid she'll eat your baby.
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Needs more poutine cannon.
     
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Apr 8, 2012, 01:08 PM
 
Heh I was eating a piece of decadent chocolate cake when I clicked on this thread.

So... Really? 10 dozen? I didn't even think that'd be possible, at least for Krispy Kreme donuts. Yuck.

BTW, most studies have shown that those with higher BMI's in general have higher metabolic requirements than those with thinner builds with the same activity level. This "slow metabolism" story rarely is the real factor, unless you have a endocrine disorder or something, like hypothyroidism, or you're talking about reducing your activity when you're 30 because you are at a desk job all day long.
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Originally Posted by Salty View Post
I hope your kid ends up super fat.
Probably not, we're all fitness buffs. Well, two of us are, and one of us has the metabolism of a chipmunk on crack (Emma's bio-mom).
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Originally Posted by Eug View Post
Heh I was eating a piece of decadent chocolate cake when I clicked on this thread.

So... Really? 10 dozen? I didn't even think that'd be possible, at least for Krispy Kreme donuts. Yuck.

BTW, most studies have shown that those with higher BMI's in general have higher metabolic requirements than those with thinner builds with the same activity level. This "slow metabolism" story rarely is the real factor, unless you have a endocrine disorder or something, like hypothyroidism, or you're talking about reducing your activity when you're 30 because you are at a desk job all day long.
Back in college I could binge on two dozen by myself, ten dozen is a breeze for five professional grazers.
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I've found there's a positive correlation between quantity and hot donuts now.
     
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I remember back as a student I went on a day trip somewhere, and brought six donuts with me for snacks. These were sugary and fattening, but much less so than the Krispy Kreme ones. By the fourth one (eaten over two sittings), I wanted no more of them. I couldn't imagine eating all six, much less a single dozen.
     
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Can you put down a whole 16" pizza?
     
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Can you put down a whole 16" pizza?
This guy can eat 3.

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Then how many could this guy eat?

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Looks like a teenager at that..
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Originally Posted by Shaddim View Post
Probably not, we're all fitness buffs. Well, two of us are, and one of us has the metabolism of a chipmunk on crack (Emma's bio-mom).
Yeah and I used to be scrawny until I shattered my femur and was given way too much sympathy burger king.

Things happen, but either way you should dial back the contempt which you have for people you don't know. It's one thing to say that Americans are gluttonous etc ... which all of you are, even the skinny ones. It's another thing to label all people you call fat, as somehow less valuable. Frankly the fact that anyone even calls someone fat is unfortunate. We don't call women boobs or breats, we don't call athletic people muscles and tendons. When you call someone fat you dehumanize them, you discuss one aspect of them which overrides the rest of their personhood. You talk about them as if all that they are is the level of concentration of lipids in relation to the rest of their mass.

Regardless of how round and unappealing others are, they're still people and they don't deserve to be talked about as if they're exclusively defined by something that they themselves probably don't even like about themselves.

And while you may be quick to dismiss me and say that if they wanted to they could change, you're right and you're wrong. It's within the realm of possibility to change to some degree, there's a good chance that even if they slimmed down you'd find them unattractive. I can almost promise you that they've tried very hard to lose their weight, I can think of almost no person I've ever met who was humiliated for being "fat" who hasn't vowed that they're going to start running, or biking or working out. But you know, it's very easy to get discouraged especially if you don't know what you're doing.

You don't know what's going on in other people's lives. And an unwillingness to care doesn't reflect well on you.
     
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Apr 13, 2012, 02:51 AM
 
Again with the conclusion jumping? I was talking about the morbidly obese, not portly or chunky people.
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When you call someone gluttonous you dehumanize them, you discuss one aspect of them which overrides the rest of their personhood. You talk about them as if all that they are is the extent to which they indulge in something, such as an activity.
     
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Let's all just hold hands and each eat a dozen donuts, shall we ?

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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
When you call someone gluttonous you dehumanize them, you discuss one aspect of them which overrides the rest of their personhood. You talk about them as if all that they are is the extent to which they indulge in something, such as an activity.
They seem do a great job of dehumanizing themselves.
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Apr 14, 2012, 04:49 AM
 
That sounds like something a Nazi would say about Jews. Or a white supremace against Blacks. Prejudice is prejudice regardless of what is currently acceptable and what isn't. Being prejudice against fat people and making jokes about them might be "ok" today. But it was only 60 years ago it was ok to be prejudice and make jokes against Japanese. 100 years ago at disabled people. 150 years ago against blacks. Guess some one needs to start a fat person movement to remind the skinny that fat people are "people" too
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I still make jokes about everyone, regardless of race or ethnicity, it doesn't matter. Uptight PC marshmallows who are offended can kiss my ass.

What does matter is the burden that people who are over twice their recommended body weight place upon everyone else. This isn't about race, ethnicity, or people who are genuinely disabled. It's about people who completely lack self control and can't stop shoving food down their throats. Have a thyroid problem? That's understandable. Have some other type of glandular condition that makes their weight a bona fide medical issue? They have my sympathies. Can't stop ramming candy down your pie hole? I find that contemptible. Start exercising and fix it. I offered a close friend of mine $500 for each pound he could lose and keep off for a year, at the time he tipped the scales at over 350lbs. He actually ended up owing me money.

A person can't change their race, but they sure as hell can stop consuming 5k calories every day.
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