[finboy]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Like I said at the beginning of this thread, Bill Clinton FREAKS out.

Apparently after his "interview" with Chris Wallace he started reaming his own people that had accompanied him to the interview - screaming at them to be more accurate.

I think the guy needs meds. No, not Viagra, like downers - Valium. Or lithium.

It was all part of a staged event: Show "the peepul" how forceful Bill could be, and defend his legacy. Hillary is following up on it today. It was designed to allow for a national attack on the Fox News bunch, and to get media coverage. It worked.

Dick Morris has a good piece about it either today or yesterday. Slick Willie can get as indignant about it as he wants, and his wife can too, but it doesn't change the facts.

I thought it was funny that CNN pointed out earlier today the LAST time he "lost it" in front of the camera (also staged): "I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."

Predictable. Pathetic.

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by finboy

It was all part of a staged event: Show "the peepul" how forceful Bill could be, and defend his legacy. Hillary is following up on it today. It was designed to allow for a national attack on the Fox News bunch, and to get media coverage. It worked.

Dick Morris has a good piece about it either today or yesterday. Slick Willie can get as indignant about it as he wants, and his wife can too, but it doesn't change the facts.

I thought it was funny that CNN pointed out earlier today the LAST time he "lost it" in front of the camera (also staged): "I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."

Predictable. Pathetic.

Well between Clinton speaking out and Bush today having to defend his 'WOT', it looks like things are working out well for the Democrats.

[marden]

Dick Morris: Clinton Attack 'Outrageous'

Friday, Sept. 8, 2006

The attack by Bill Clinton and his allies on the upcoming ABC miniseries "The Path to 9/11" is "outrageous," charges former Clinton aide Dick Morris.

As NewsMax has reported, Clinton through his surrogates have demanded that ABC "correct all errors" in the docudrama or pull it from the air, charging that it is a "fictitious rewriting of history" regarding Clinton's handling of the terrorist threat.

But Morris claims that Clinton's national security adviser, Sandy Berger, and the president himself "were both responsible for failing to catch or kill Osama bin Laden on several different occasions."

Morris served Clinton as an adviser for 20 years and notably as Clinton's senior campaign strategist during his 1996 re-election.

Morris states that the evidence for this failure is documented in the 9/11 Commission's report and summarized in "Because He Could," the book about Clinton that Morris co-authored with his wife Eileen McGann.

The commission's report, released in the summer of 2004, "highlighted the weak, incompetent, hesitant, and inconsistent attempts of the Clinton administration to kill or capture Osama bin Laden," according to the book, which devotes an entire chapter to Clinton's mishandling of the threat.

"The report's account shows the president and his advisers at their worst."

The attack by Bill Clinton and his allies on the upcoming ABC miniseries "The Path to 9/11" is "outrageous," charges former Clinton aide Dick Morris.

As NewsMax has reported, Clinton through his surrogates have demanded that ABC "correct all errors" in the docudrama or pull it from the air, charging that it is a "fictitious rewriting of history" regarding Clinton's handling of the terrorist threat.

But Morris claims that Clinton's national security adviser, Sandy Berger, and the president himself "were both responsible for failing to catch or kill Osama bin Laden on several different occasions."

Morris served Clinton as an adviser for 20 years and notably as Clinton's senior campaign strategist during his 1996 re-election.

Morris states that the evidence for this failure is documented in the 9/11 Commission's report and summarized in "Because He Could," the book about Clinton that Morris co-authored with his wife Eileen McGann.

The commission's report, released in the summer of 2004, "highlighted the weak, incompetent, hesitant, and inconsistent attempts of the Clinton administration to kill or capture Osama bin Laden," according to the book, which devotes an entire chapter to Clinton's mishandling of the threat.

"The report's account shows the president and his advisers at their worst."
One time, the United States "canceled an attempt to kidnap bin Laden out of concern that we might injure or kill him and be accused of using assassination as a policy tool," Morris told NewsMax.

"The president had yet to make a finding that it was OK to kill bin Laden. The reason he had not is that he did not yet know bin Laden's connection to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. The reason he did not know that is that he did not fast-track the investigation.

"A second time, we did fire missiles but alerted the Pakistani military to our plans and they tipped off bin Laden, and he escaped."

According to the commission's report, the United States alerted Pakistan because the missiles targeting bin Laden, who was in Afghanistan, had to cross Pakistan, and U.S. officials did not want Pakistan to think the missiles came from India.

"A third time, our plans to attack by missile were canceled, partially out of chagrin over having missed him before and partially because we had just bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade by mistake and were worried about being called trigger happy," said Morris.

"The president was also concerned about civilian deaths in any such attack.

"The underlying theme of the ABC coverage, that he was distracted by impeachment, is of course true. But more so, he was gun-shy" because he was afraid conservatives would say he had launched a failed attack "in an effort to 'wag the dog' and distract people from the Monica Lewinsky affair."

Morris concluded: "His fear of such attacks on him inhibited him from acting."

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...153.shtml?s=lh

[saddino]

Originally Posted by Nicko

Well between Clinton speaking out and Bush today having to defend his 'WOT', it looks like things are working out well for the Democrats.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by besson3c

In case you are late joining us, here is your summary so far, just to save you from having to read the earlier pages:

Republicans think Bill Clinton was freaking out during this interview, Democrats think he carried himself well, Abe said some crazy things in either this thread or another, Cody Dawg says some emotionally charged stuff, some partisan mud slinging took place, some articles were quoted, some emoticons were shared, and here we are!

You forgot to add: "and besson3c acted all smug and twisted the truth".

[Cody Dawg]

Oh, and he hates America, too.

Join in the office pool to buy him a one-way ticket out. Maybe he'd rather live in Chavez-land.

[itai195]

Criticizing Bush == Hating America
Criticizing Clinton == Not Hating America

Am I following this right?

[Cody Dawg]

Criticizing Clinton == Not Approving of Lying

Now you're following it right.

[paul w]

Along those lines:

People who like Clinton love the way he handles this interview

WHILE

People who hate Clinton think he's acting like a complete lunatic

[Cody Dawg]

Personally, I think he committed battery on Chris Wallace. At the very least it was assault. Poking Chris Wallace forcefully with his finger the way he did.

What that man is capable of behind closed doors is certainly something to speculate about.



No wonder Hillary is tough - she has to be or she'd get the crap beaten out of her routinely.

[itai195]

I thought I saw President Bush doing something similar to Matt Lauer recently...

Criticizing Clinton == Not Approving of Lying

So you don't really care about the terrorism thing, just lying about sex?

[saddino]

CD only approves of lying when she's the one doing it.

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by itai195

I thought I saw President Bush doing something similar to Matt Lauer recently...

So you don't really care about the terrorism thing, just lying about sex?

I never get this argument either...

One hand you have a guy who got a blowjob from his secretary (a common enough occurance) -- not that harmful either.

On the other hand you have someone who instigated a war (based on a lie) that has cost upwards of 100,000 innocent lives and has made the world more dangerous. :shrug:

[Cody Dawg]

He is a LIAR.

Not only does he LIE, but he was supposedly running the country!

What else did he lie about?

How would you like a LIAR for a brain surgeon? Heart surgeon? The cop pulling you over? Your lawyer?

Liars are liars - they suck.

[itai195]

Well I would have a problem if they lied about something that has to do with their actual job. Outside of that I probably couldn't care less. I don't expect surgeons, cops, and lawyers to be perfect human beings.

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by itai195

Well I would have a problem if they lied about something that has to do with their actual job. Outside of that I probably couldn't care less. I don't expect surgeons, cops, and lawyers to be perfect human beings.

I could care less if my surgeon lied to me about his sex life. Really I could care less.

[saddino]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Do you think it's okay that he kept foreign heads of state waiting on the runway while Lewinsky was on her hands and knees under his Oral Office desk pleasuring him?

This, of course, obvious to anyone who has read the Starr Report, is a lie. A complete fabrication.

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Liars are liars - they suck.

I agree. How do you live with yourself?

[Cody Dawg]

When I have ever admitted that I've LIED?

What have I lied about?

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

He is a LIAR.

Not only does he LIE, but he was supposedly running the country!

What else did he lie about?

How would you like a LIAR for a brain surgeon? Heart surgeon? The cop pulling you over? Your lawyer?

Liars are liars - they suck.

Bush is a liar. Bush is a dangerous liar. Bush is a liar who claims he converses with God. Bush is a liar Cody.

Shall we pick on him together

V

[Cody Dawg]

Someone called me a liar.

I want to know what I've lied about.

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass as usual, saddino?

[saddino]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

When I have ever admitted that I've LIED?

You, like Bill Clinton, have never admitted that you've lied.

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

What have I lied about?

About "foreign heads of state waiting on the runway while Lewinsky was on her hands and knees under his Oral Office desk pleasuring him", of course.

Care to retract that?
Or admit you made an error?

Or...

Admit you LIED?

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Someone called me a liar.

I want to know what I've lied about.

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass as usual, saddino?

Oh dear saddino, you're about to be spanked. You're not a liar Cody? Everybody tells lies. Those who claim never to lie, are lying.

Simple really.

V

[saddino]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass as usual, saddino?

Cody Dawg Freaks Out

[besson3c]

I don't understand why people like Cody Dawg have convinced themselves that politicians don't lie in general...

[Chuckit]

This thread fails. At everything. Even musical chairs.

[Cody Dawg]

I'm not lying about it.

You're the ass for not researching what I said. I am RARELY wrong. It was my JOB to be right checking facts or who said what for media outlets.

Here you go you little perp:

Let's look at the record of what he did when he wasn't so pre-occupied with the investigations of the Special Prosecutor. Clinton was on the phone with Congressman H.L. "Sonny" Callahan. Clinton was seeking his vote to approve funds for a peacekeeping mission into Bosnia. While Clinton was on the phone with the Congressman, he was simultaneously being serviced by Monica Lewinsky. Clinton was notoriously famous for being late to his own appointments. One time he had an appointment to meet with Yassir Arafat. Arafat showed up for this diplomatic meeting on time. But Clinton kept him waiting an hour and a half. Why? Because he was too pre-occupied being serviced again by the same Monica Lewinsky.

Link

[Cody Dawg]

I don't lie.

I don't need to lie.

I might be incorrect about things, but I don't PURPOSELY misstate the truth to cover my own failings or to gain something. There is no need to. I don't have anything to hide. Anyone who knows me knows that I am very transparent about everything - to the point that I am blunt and sometimes rude.

I can be accused of rudeness, which I will cop to, but not lying.

As usual, this thread has turned into a situation where a lying Democrat liberal non-American wants to point fingers at someone who has it much better than him by virtue of living in a great country. Jealous?

[besson3c]

This thread has taken an interesting turn from Bill Clinton allegedly freaking out, to Cody Dawg not-so-allegedly freaking out

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

I don't lie.

I don't need to lie.

I might be incorrect about things, but I don't PURPOSELY misstate the truth to cover my own failings or to gain something. There is no need to. I don't have anything to hide. Anyone who knows me knows that I am very transparent about everything - to the point that I am blunt and sometimes rude.

I can be accused of rudeness, which I will cop to, but not lying.

As usual, this thread has turned into a situation where a lying Democrat liberal non-American wants to point fingers at someone who has it much better than him by virtue of living in a great country. Jealous?

I'm sorry, but you lie. Everyone does. So, now you are lying about not lying. It doesn't matter, just an observation. Nobody is perfect.

V

[King Bob On The Cob]

Now here's the rub, we can blame 9/11 on Bush (if your a democrat because he didn't force the intelligence departments to start acting cohesively in spite of budget cuts, he really didn't do too much to single out the legitimate plot and his apathy directly led to 9/11).

Or we could blame 9/11 on Clinton (if your a republican because he didn't do anything to break apart this plot to start with and failed several times to motivate people to try and track down the only foreign group to attack the homeland since WW2, even after they claimed responsibility)

Or we can blame every president from Eisenhower on, really does it make a difference?

Blame who you want, but everyone played their parts leading up to these attacks no part being any smaller than the last, and no matter who you want to play the blame game with, the attacks happened, and there is nothing we can do to bring back the people who died.

No one has managed to capture Bin Laden. Not Bush, not Clinton, so quit acting like one's better than the other. They were different, both did some good, both did some bad. Please quit looking at the issues so black and white, it's just leading us down a path that will tear this country in half again.

[saddino]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

I'm not lying about it.
You're the ass for not researching what I said. I am RARELY wrong. It was my JOB to be right checking facts or who said what for media outlets.

I hope that when you check your so-called "facts" you don't actually expect your employers to believe that a letter from a blogger ("They published but edited my letter!") constitutes a proper "source."

[Cody Dawg]

I'm really trying hard to think about the last thing I lied about.

Really.

I'm the kind of person that simply omits to mention certain facts. I don't have to lie to make statements that aren't true. I simply do not talk.

Something Bill Clinton should have done.



Now, one thing I will say? I met Bill Clinton at a fundraiser. He was very charming and charismatic. He has a way of leaning in towards women and talking to them/us within a foot of our faces, as if we're sharing some special secret together. Charming, right? Yes.

But, even so, it's hard to get past that image of him repeatedly lying, like a little boy, about something so ridiculous as an affair with a slutty nobody fat intern sleeping her way through the Oval Office. He should have just admittted it - with the added caveat of, "I slept with Monica - and I paid her for it also."

Honestly, he could have turned it into a funny issue by admitting it, saying he was sorry, and moving on. Instead he denied it over and over and over. Who the heck cares about what he did with Monica? He could have boffed Dick Morris. Just don't LIE about it, you know?

[Cody Dawg]

By the way, saddino, I didn't have to check the facts to see if they were TRUE. I only had to check to see WHO said WHAT and if they DID say such-and-such thing. THAT was my job in most capacities. It wasn't to determine truth or not - it was to make sure that the person quoted had, in fact, said such a thing.

Also, the Arafat story was in all of the major articles at the time.

Not that I care about Arafat being kept waiting - he's a criminal who deserved to be stood up by a president with a 2-bit slut like Lewinsky.



Clinton, Lewinsky, and Arafat. Water seeks it's own level.

[saddino]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Also, the Arafat story was in all of the major articles at the time.

Cody Dawg, since your memory is a bit fuzzy, I offer to help you in your research:

The LIE about Arafat waiting for Clinton because of Lewinsky was started by Drudge. Since it is common knowledge you read Drudge, I can only assume you heard it there and filed it in your head as "truth."

The Starr report details every sordid detail (and every encounter is described) and Drudge's LIE is nowhere to be found.

Of course, Drudge offerred no retraction.

And (unfortunately) you (and the letter writer you quoted) still think it's "truth."

So, you're right: you're not a liar, you're just a bit gullible.

[Cody Dawg]

Why don't you list your sources, saddino?

You demand that others do the same yet you don't.

Why?

Spin, spin, spin.

No, it's not just a fable invented by Drudge. Clinton was notoriously late for everything - and it's a fact.

Remember, this man is a serial adulterer.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

I'm not lying about it.

You're the ass for not researching what I said. I am RARELY wrong. It was my JOB to be right checking facts or who said what for media outlets.

Here you go you little perp:

Link

You're a professional fact-checker…and you use blogs to prove things? Are you yanking my chain?

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Remember, this man is a serial adulterer.

Remember, ad hominem is not a valid form of argument.

[dialo]

Originally Posted by saddino

Cody Dawg Freaks Out

no kidding

[King Bob On The Cob]

It's starting to smell a lot like Lockination, with every ho ho ho...

[saddino]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Why don't you list your sources, saddino?

Happy to:

Committee of Concerned Journalists
The Starr Report differed in some key areas from the Drudge Report. Lewinsky testified to using the cigar sexually and to Clinton then putting it in his mouth and commenting on it. But according to Lewinsky's testimony there was no mutual masturbation and the meeting was in general less sordid than the leaks. There is also no support in the Starr Report for Drudge's allegation that Yassir Arafat was waiting in the Rose Garden when an encounter took place (the Drudge Report is not clear about what encounter it is writing about).

You can also read the Starr report and see for yourself. Here's a link to the full text (including endnotes) so you can employ your advanced "Find" skills.

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

No, it's not just a fable invented by Drudge.

Yes, it is a fable. And insisting that it is a fact, is, well, a LIE, don't you think?

[itai195]

Originally Posted by King Bob On The Cob

It's starting to smell a lot like Lockination, with every ho ho ho...

This thread is just starting to get interesting...

[Chuckit]

"Interesting" here having the meaning of "locked."

[itai195]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Remember, this man is a serial adulterer.

Why do you hate Thomas Jefferson?

[BlueSky]

OK Cody, you've had your little conservative blo...er...hit job, now go to your happy place and await further instructions.

[Face Ache]

Ah, it's a full moon is it?

[Cody Dawg]

Blogs have validity, whether or not you like to admit it.

There are a lot of them.

I don't care whether or not whether a blogger espouses the truth or lies - it's whether or not the content of the blog was in fact stated by the author or not that matters.

Again, I'm not determining content. If an unknown and uneducated person wants to spout off via a blog, fine.

I have to laugh at some of you because if Bill Clinton was blogging you'd be spouting his crap left and right and claiming that it's the holy truth and legitimate and all that crap. All I'd want to know is whether or not you know for sure that Clinton used a blog to air his opinions - or if it was some loser pretending to be Clinton.



No, no full moon that I know of...unless Monica Lewinsky is bending over for Bill.

[besson3c]

I'm feeling pretty jealous. Not even my Patrick Swayze thread went for 7 pages....

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by BlackGriffen

Start another Clinton thread? It's been 6 years since the man has been Pres, Cody! Are you this obsessed because you never got the chance to smoke on his Johnson?

What the....

Talk about pent up sexual aggression...

BTW Clinton was in the news the other day shaking his finger and turning all red. That is why he is being talked about. Just in case you didn't know.

Or are you just remembering a simpler time when you could bash Clinton with the nation enjoying peace and prosperity? You know, before we had Republicans in control of all three branches of government with their endless war, rampant corruption, and singular ability to foul up anything they attempt?

Don't forget the hyperbole.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by itai195

Criticizing Bush == Hating America
Criticizing Clinton == Not Hating America

Am I following this right?

Naw just constantly making anti-American comments = hating America.

Originally Posted by itai195

So you don't really care about the terrorism thing, just lying about sex?

You mean Clinton had sex with terrorists?

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by besson3c

I don't understand why people like Cody Dawg have convinced themselves that politicians don't lie in general...

Even you lie.

You did it in this thread when you said you were leaving and never did.

Liar.