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eizzumdm · Aug 20, 2003, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by NYCFarmboy:
wow ...so much extra space in there.

could you like store stuff there?

It may not be good for storage, but perfect for cooking Hot Pockets!

Brazuca · Aug 20, 2003, 06:00 PM

LOL!!

How about keeping some dumplings nice and warm? Or at the very least, keeping your coffee while you work.

Seriously though, could this be the space needed for extra HDs?

AssassyN · Aug 20, 2003, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by villalobos:
The Apple store in Durham, NC will reportedly get the G5 tomorrow. Not sure whether they will be on display right away, but they should be for sure on friday.

villa

Seriously?! Now that I'm up here at NCSU I'm 30 minutes away from that store...I'll definitely hafta take my digicam in there sometime soon and hope for the best!

stevesnj · Aug 20, 2003, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by Hydra:
That is about the saddest picture I have ever seen. That G5 looks so lonely by itself.

That must be the first known single G5 picture? I don't recall ever seeing one before. Thanks for the picture.

-Jerry C.

It does look sad and lonely...it's like it was seperated at birth from its sibling processor twin.

so sad

idyll · Aug 20, 2003, 06:43 PM

Indeed. The dual 2GHz G5 looks so sexy on the inside. Good thing they look the same on the outside

.

breadiu · 07:37 PM

Originally posted by macnnhelpme:
That's cool, looks like I was wrong. Still can't figure out why Yale got them before anyone else but maybe it is a testing thing, I dunno.

One of my friends works for a big company, and they've had a dual G5 for a couple weeks... until yesterday when the art department left it on overnight and it melted the motherboard!

idyll · Aug 20, 2003, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by breadiu:
One of my friends works for Universal Music Group, and they've had a dual G5 for a couple weeks... until yesterday when the art department left it on overnight and it melted the motherboard!

You're kidding, right?

breadiu · 07:37 PM

Originally posted by idyll:
You're kidding, right?

No. I can assure it really happened.

Liquidity X · Aug 20, 2003, 07:20 PM

yes please, I was wondering what keyboard/mouse it came with. Pleas epost a pic.

jasong · Aug 20, 2003, 07:45 PM

it actually MELTED the motherboard.

2 things, One, I actually did have a server meltdown on me, but that was being left on all the time, and the temperature in the space it was left in went up to around 110 degrees (I wasn't in control of the operating environment - that's not a mistake I would have made).

Two - I don't believe this for a moment. Under normal operating temperatures this is just flat out impossible - melt the motherboard? maybe if the place caught on fire, and even then I have seen computers survive that (though the sprinkler systems tend to do them in). I have a Mac G3 that sits on 24/7. People are just getting caught up in the heat thing. The G5 isn't that damn hot!*

* of course I know nothing more then the rest of you yahoo's that are making s**t up, so take this with a grain of salt. I still don't believe it.

-- Jason

breadiu · Aug 20, 2003, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by jasong:
I don't believe this for a moment. Under normal operating temperatures this is just flat out impossible - melt the motherboard? maybe if the place caught on fire, and even then I have seen computers survive that (though the sprinkler systems tend to do them in). I have a Mac G3 that sits on 24/7. People are just getting caught up in the heat thing. The G5 isn't that damn hot!*

* of course I know nothing more then the rest of you yahoo's that are making s**t up, so take this with a grain of salt. I still don't believe it.

-- Jason

It is thought it was a preproduction problem and NOT related to the cpus. Could a short or malfunction not do this type of damage?

geekwagon · Aug 20, 2003, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by breadiu:
It is thought it was a preproduction problem and NOT related to the cpus. Could a short or malfunction not do this type of damage?

No. Any malfunction I can think of would cause burning, not melting. I think it would be pretty hard for a logic board to melt. The traces and metal bits like heatsinks could melt, though. It would require a LOT of heat (more than the CPU would be able to put out, anyway)

I think someone was being overly dramatic or engaging in a bit of hyperbole.

chris v · Aug 20, 2003, 08:14 PM

Don't Macs generally have some kind of thermocouple in them that'll shut the machine down if it rises above a certain temp? Or am I dreaming?

Still, that would suck to have a brand new G5 melt down on you-- sounds like a wiring prob though, and not just due to the CPU.

CV

olePigeon · Aug 20, 2003, 09:26 PM

Hah. You guys sound like you're on a live porn chat video thing. "Ooo! Ooo! Move the camera over there... aaahh! Show me your keyboard! Yeah baby!"

Eug Wanker · Aug 20, 2003, 10:50 PM

From the pictures in the latest Macworld, it looks like the G5 is mounted on a daughtercard above the motherboard.

However, it seems from this pic there is no place to mount the second daughtercard, without doing some soldering. Thus it would seem that a single to dual upgrade is not possible (as many have suspected).

Hydra · Aug 20, 2003, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
From the pictures in the latest Macworld, it looks like the G5 is mounted on a daughtercard above the motherboard.

However, it seems from this pic there is no place to mount the second daughtercard, without doing some soldering. Thus it would seem that a single to dual upgrade is not possible (as many have suspected).

Yes, that seems true of the 1.6. As a bottom of the line I think Apple has never had any intention of it seeing a second CPU. I think the 1.8 ( as it has identical specs as the dual 2.0) may still have a second CPU daughter-card socket. Remember the 1.6 has less RAM capacity and older PCI technology. It would have been silly for Apple to make two motherboards with premium dual CPU sockets. I still think it was a waste of development effort to have 2 different motherboards anyway but having an unused CPU socket on the base model never intending to have anything in it would be more of a waste.

-Jerry C.

Eug Wanker · Aug 21, 2003, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by Hydra:
Yes, that seems true of the 1.6. As a bottom of the line I think Apple has never had any intention of it seeing a second CPU. I think the 1.8 ( as it has identical specs as the dual 2.0) may still have a second CPU daughter-card socket. Remember the 1.6 has less RAM capacity and older PCI technology. It would have been silly for Apple to make two motherboards with premium dual CPU sockets. I still think it was a waste of development effort to have 2 different motherboards anyway but having an unused CPU socket on the base model never intending to have anything in it would be more of a waste.

-Jerry C.

Well, we'll see with the 1.8, but my guess it won't have an extra socket either. Indeed, it'd probably be cheaper to create two of the PCI-X lines. One with the second socket and one without. No need to pay for the soldering and parts of the second socket if it's gonna be a single CPU design. It may have all the connectors, but unless you're willing to solder a bazillion leads, then it's not upgradable.

stingerman · Aug 21, 2003, 01:36 AM

Keep in mind that the G5 runs most of the time at a lower speed than it is clocked at in order to keep the heat down. In a dual G5, for most of the normal operations the processors will actually run at 1.3GHz, using 1/6th the power and requiring no fan cooling at all. The Fans do not have to even run to cool it off, but Apple keeps them spinning very very slowly, you will not be able to hear them at all. In fact, each processor is being managed separately, so depending on the load and threading, one processor maybe hotter than the other and each fan spinning at different speeds.

To illustrate how little heat the G5 generates even at 2GHz, the Fan is actually off to the side and not right on the CPU. The Heat-Sink is Aluminum and not copper...

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Aug 21, 2003, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by Liquidity X:
yes please, I was wondering what keyboard/mouse it came with. Pleas epost a pic.

It comes with the same damn keyboard and mouse as the eMac's.

himself · Aug 21, 2003, 02:33 AM

Originally posted by Hydra:
Yes, that seems true of the 1.6. As a bottom of the line I think Apple has never had any intention of it seeing a second CPU. I think the 1.8 ( as it has identical specs as the dual 2.0) may still have a second CPU daughter-card socket. Remember the 1.6 has less RAM capacity and older PCI technology. It would have been silly for Apple to make two motherboards with premium dual CPU sockets. I still think it was a waste of development effort to have 2 different motherboards anyway but having an unused CPU socket on the base model never intending to have anything in it would be more of a waste.

-Jerry C.

That all depends on the type of connector Apple is using for the G5, whichever connector is required for the Hypertransport bus... they may not be using the standard ZIF sockets (then again, maybe they might), which means we really don't know what kind of connector to look for.

Eriamjh · Aug 21, 2003, 07:16 AM

It would appear that the 1.8 does use the same mobo as the 1.8 and/or dual 2G. Look at the pic above. See the silver circles below the CPU fan down and to the left? Those are PCB mounting vias for two more RAM sockets (per side, I'm sure. You just can't see the top two). Apple is leaving components off the mobo to cut costs. That explains the 4GB versus 8GB difference between 1.6 and 2G models.

It's very likely that all hardware to support dual CPUs is left off the 1.6 and 1.8 mobos, saving money. There are similar holes beneath the CPU where a socket and supporting chips would go. You'd be surprised how much a snap-in socket costs for a CPU. Probably in the $5 to $10 range or more at production quantities.

Apple even left off the second CPU fan.

Deal · Aug 21, 2003, 10:57 AM

One is the loneliest number that I've ever knownnnnnnn....

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Aug 21, 2003, 11:28 AM

Holy mother of God! This thing is HUGE!

Eug Wanker · Aug 21, 2003, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Holy mother of God! This thing is HUGE!

Where is the picture from? EDIT: Forget it I see it's from Mac Rumours.

Anyways, I was checking out the measurements, and it seems they really can't go much higher to fit in another optical drive, because that would mean it would no longer fit under many desks.

Hopefully in 2004 they can do a motherboard shrink, and add space for one or two more hard drives and another optical drive. I probably wouldn't use the extra drives, but I'm sure a lot of pro geek types would.

chris v · Aug 21, 2003, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Holy mother of God! This thing is HUGE!

That's what she said!

CV

MindFad · Aug 21, 2003, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by chris v:
That's what he said!

CV

There ya go.

The body itself doesn't look too much bigger -- it's those damn handles that are straight up and down that make it ever taller. It'll still fit my desk, I think.

It's about as big as an AlienWare system, right?

chris v · Aug 21, 2003, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by MindFad:
There ya go.

Right. Orientation.

Well, his only chance of ever hearing that may be if he buys a G5.

*badump, CRASH!*

Thanks, I'm here until thursday. Try the veal, folks, it's great. Any anniversaries in the house?

CV

zigzag · Aug 21, 2003, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by MindFad:
-- it's those damn handles that are straight up and down that make it ever taller.

I like to think of them as love handles.

Eug Wanker · Aug 21, 2003, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by zigzag:
I like to think of them as love handles.

Yeah, why do you need such long handles on the bottom? Perhaps if that was shortened, one could fit another drive bay in.

reactor · Aug 21, 2003, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Yeah, why do you need such long handles on the bottom? Perhaps if that was shortened, one could fit another drive bay in.

Yeah, that way one doesn't need to vacuum-clean their carpet, as the coolers at occasional topspeed would be doing just that....

NYK Ace · Aug 21, 2003, 05:16 PM

Buffalo, NY

Apple Store

1:00 PM

No G5s

zigzag · Aug 21, 2003, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Yeah, why do you need such long handles on the bottom? Perhaps if that was shortened, one could fit another drive bay in.

Probably a combination of visual symmetry and additional cooling from the bottom. I don't mind as long as the damn thing is quiet.

aapljack · Aug 21, 2003, 09:01 PM

I visited my local CompUSA today after work (I live in Santa Rosa, CA) and there were no G5s yet. The MDD tower was gone and a 23" Cinema Display was orphaned with a stack of G5 pamphlets next to it. I asked the Apple Rep when he expects them and he told me they were suppose to be there today, but will probably not get there till Friday. He said a demo model should be up and running by this weekend. So I guess I will be making a trip to CompUSA this weekend to gawk at it..

-brian

mamamia · Aug 21, 2003, 11:31 PM

Cambridge, MA

Apple Store

7:19 - 7:38pm

No G5s

they still had the g4s up.

boom.

eggman · Aug 22, 2003, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by aapljack:
I visited my local CompUSA today after work (I live in Santa Rosa, CA) and there were no G5s yet. The MDD tower was gone and a 23" Cinema Display was orphaned with a stack of G5 pamphlets next to it. I asked the Apple Rep when he expects them and he told me they were suppose to be there today, but will probably not get there till Friday. He said a demo model should be up and running by this weekend. So I guess I will be making a trip to CompUSA this weekend to gawk at it..

-brian

Wow... another MacNNite in Santa Rosa!

I hadn't even thought to check CompUSA.

Executron, on Guerneville Road, is usually Johnny-on-the-spot with Apple products and events. I still have my free OS X tee shirt from their launch event...

Link · Aug 22, 2003, 02:57 AM

eh... it's about 3" taller then the quicksilver.. 4" at most and it could still be 4" or 5" taller then THAT and fit under my desk

villalobos · Aug 22, 2003, 12:46 PM

Apple Store Durham NC, friday noon. Nothing.
Might get them today. If early enough would set one up tonight for display...

villa

GnomeKing · 02:26 PM

Apple Store in Mall of America (Bloomington, MN)
No G5s as of 10am-11am
Store employee said they might come in later today.

EDIT: No G5s as of 1:25PM CDT

I'm going insane...

awcopus · Aug 22, 2003, 01:24 PM

Apple SOHO store, 1:24PM, no G5s today. Maybe tomorrow.

NYK Ace · Aug 22, 2003, 09:28 PM

guess its back to check again tomm

daydreamer · Aug 24, 2003, 11:44 AM

Posted by someone on Spymac who spoke to an Apple Employ�, according to this person the delays are the cause of the following factors...

1. While all of the stores have at least 1 PowerMac G5, some have as few as 1 or 2, while some have as many as 30. Apple is waiting for the stores to all be brought up to an equal setting before uniformly introducing the G5 into stores.

2. Apple corporate headquarters sent out memos with various release dates the first being last wed., however on tues. a memo was sent to change the date to fri., and on thurs. a memo was sent out saying to put a hold on introduction till they get the go ahead from headquarters.

3. Some stores have recieved customers specialized orders (from developers) who have canceled, yet these machines were made and shipped to apple stores. However since they are customized, they are unsuitable for public sale, and remain for employees and such.

4. Production delays - think of the mass hysteria if they sold them to non educational customers before those who ordered months ago got theirs

5. Developers and larger corporations are recieveing their orders first, even for higher end machines such as Dual 2Ghz with NDAs asking them not to disclose this until the Dual 2GHz G5s begin to mass ship

Eug · Aug 24, 2003, 11:58 AM

1. While all of the stores have at least 1 PowerMac G5, some have as few as 1 or 2, while some have as many as 30. Apple is waiting for the stores to all be brought up to an equal setting before uniformly introducing the G5 into stores.

Sounds like bull to me.

4. Production delays - think of the mass hysteria if they sold them to non educational customers before those who ordered months ago got theirs

This has happened many times in the past.

villalobos · Aug 25, 2003, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Eug:
Sounds like bull to me.

This has happened many times in the past.

All right the Apple guy at the Apple Store in Durham told me he had ONE G5 on the shipment he is supposed to receive today (for display only, nothing for sale).
Will know more by 1 pm.

Villa

Arkham_c · Aug 25, 2003, 11:20 AM

I'm amazed by the hype surrounding these machines. It far surpasses that of the TiBook or the 17" AlBook.

I hope Apple sells a ton of them. It's sure looking that way.

NYK Ace · Aug 26, 2003, 01:34 PM

G5s are in at the buffalo apple store

it was like magic, there were none when i went to check so i was looking at the PB 12" for awhile then all of a sudden i hear yelling and screaming from one of the workers.... the G5s are here!! of course they didnt set it up for customers to look at, just so they could play with it

and they only have 2 in and none to buy

villalobos · Aug 26, 2003, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by NYK Ace:
G5s are in at the buffalo apple store

it was like magic, there were none when i went to check so i was looking at the PB 12" for awhile then all of a sudden i hear yelling and screaming from one of the workers.... the G5s are here!! of course they didnt set it up for customers to look at, just so they could play with it

and they only have 2 in and none to buy

The Durham store has ONE G5.

villa