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Originally Posted by analogika 
Their track record with this series so far has been quite excellent. As far as I can remember, they've rarely opted for the cheesy and predictable.
Yeah. Like I've said before, I watched the miniseries and actually didn't like it that much, but the actual series managed to become something really cool. So I'm willing to give Moore et al. the benefit of the doubt.
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Originally Posted by analogika
Their track record with this series so far has been quite excellent. As far as I can remember, they've rarely opted for the cheesy and predictable.
I think that's the problem. They are trying so hard to be unpredicable that they're just getting non-sensical at this point. HOW the heck could those 4 be cylons? It's silly?
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I hear extreme pessimism is productive and enjoyable. Is this true?
Of course! If you are a true pessimist every surprise is a pleasant one. For the optimist every surprise is a disappointment.
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Can somebody clue me in to the miniseries? How is it different from the first few shows of the regular series?
a quick google turned up inconclusive - even wikipedia had no details...
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Originally Posted by mrtew
I think that's the problem. They are trying so hard to be unpredicable that they're just getting non-sensical at this point. HOW the heck could those 4 be cylons? It's silly?
If you just assume that it's not - because nothing in the series has been, so far, in three seasons - then it's merely intriguing.
You're also forgetting that this thing was planned as a finite series, not as an endless soap, so the basic storyline has been set from day one. They're not "trying hard to be unpredictable", that implies that they're making important decisions on-the-spot.
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Of course! If you are a true pessimist every surprise is a pleasant one. For the optimist every surprise is a disappointment.
Even pessimists were surprised at the Matrix's devolution.
And the last sentence is just complete
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I think the writers are doing a fantastic job with BSG. Sure there might have been a few so so episodes in season 3 but even so they weren't bad.
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Originally Posted by analogika
You're also forgetting that this thing was planned as a finite series, not as an endless soap, so the basic storyline has been set from day one.
By Moore's own admission, that is not true at all. While it was planned as a finite series, much of the basic storyline has been made up as they go along.
They're not "trying hard to be unpredictable", that implies that they're making important decisions on-the-spot.
I agree with the contention that they at times are "trying [too] hard to be unpredictable".
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Contrary to comments by Edward James Olmos (Adm. Adama) at the Saturn Awards on May10, no end has been announced for the award-winning show. Battlestar Galactica is preparing to film its fourth season, one that will include 22 episodes, rather than the previously announced 13.
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Originally Posted by analogika
Can somebody clue me in to the miniseries? How is it different from the first few shows of the regular series?
a quick google turned up inconclusive - even wikipedia had no details...
The miniseries covers the hours prior to the Cylon attack on the Twelve Colonies, the attack, Roslin's assumption of the office of the President, and the immediate aftermath. Its pivotal importance is that it is when Adama (at least temporarily) acknowledges Roslin's civilian authority, and he agrees that the Galactica and the surviving civilian fleet should run, instead of stand and fight (and he pretends to know where Earth is).
It's the first disc of the U.S. Season 1 DVD release.
There's a plot summary of the two nights that starts here: Miniseries, Night 1 - Battlestar Wiki
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I liked the miniseries. It wasn't outstanding, but it was still quite good, and set the tone (and backdrop) for the entire series.
If you haven't seen the miniseries and you like the BSG TV show, then the miniseries is a must-see.
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Originally Posted by exca1ibur
Holy wow this is nice! I can't wait until this is finished. They could charge for this and I would most certainly pay for it.
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Well if we didn't know already the TV movie is called Razor.
"A two-hour Battlestar Galactica special that tells the story of the Battlestar Pegasus several months prior to it finding the Galactica."
Battlestar Galactica: Razor (2007) (TV)
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES
Well if we didn't know already the TV movie is called Razor.
"A two-hour Battlestar Galactica special that tells the story of the Battlestar Pegasus several months prior to it finding the Galactica."
Battlestar Galactica: Razor (2007) (TV)
Hmm. Starbuck is not listed in the cast. An accidental omission or intentional?
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Originally Posted by xi_hyperon
Hmm. Starbuck is not listed in the cast. An accidental omission or intentional?
Screw it, I'll take Michelle Forbes over her any-day!
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Originally Posted by xi_hyperon
Hmm. Starbuck is not listed in the cast. An accidental omission or intentional?
Well, if it's about the Pegasus prior to it finding the Galactica, then I'm not sure why any of the regular Galactica cast are in it, unless they are going to flashback to before the attack.
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All the other primary BSG cast members are listed. My guess is the omission was accidental.
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My guess is that this list is completely made up, and none of the BSG cast will be in Razor. Anyone can post information to IMDB, and I doubt this is anything official.
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Originally Posted by SirCastor
My guess is that this list is completely made up, and none of the BSG cast will be in Razor. Anyone can post information to IMDB, and I doubt this is anything official.
This could be, although I think Moore mentioned in one of his podcasts that the BSG cast would be in it.
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Originally Posted by xi_hyperon
This could be, although I think Moore mentioned in one of his podcasts that the BSG cast would be in it.
He did.
He also said it isn't just about before they met Pegasus but events that took place when the two battlestars were together.
My guess...
They show Pegasus shortly before the first attack to get a feel for normal life... then the attack which Caine described where she made a cold jump and where #6 completed her mission on Pegasus. Then other events we heard of where Pegasus had a civilian fleet, Caine strips them for people/supplies, a few Pegasus attacks on Basestars and they notice the cylons are jumping to natural resources so they follow only to find BSG. After that will be events we didn't see before between both crews after they first met but before Caine gets offed.
The thing that sucks is they have to rebuild the Pegasus sets.
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES
The thing that sucks is they have to rebuild the Pegasus sets.
Yeah, that's true. The bridge got smashed in the second part of the Pegasus chapter of BSG, didn't it?
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If they planned ahead far enough, maybe the just packed the set up rather than tore it all down. The original Star Trek had been picked up right after it was canceled, but the set had bulldozed, and so it didn't take off again.
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Originally Posted by SirCastor
If they planned ahead far enough, maybe the just packed the set up rather than tore it all down. The original Star Trek had been picked up right after it was canceled, but the set had bulldozed, and so it didn't take off again.
Really? I never heard that before! So they're could have been a 4th season if they weren't so hasty? Where did you hear that?
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Originally Posted by xi_hyperon
Yeah, that's true. The bridge got smashed in the second part of the Pegasus chapter of BSG, didn't it?
Well they probably just stored them but still it is a pain to rebuild it all again.
And yes for those who don't know they destroyed the Pegasus in the story because they needed the studio room for the interior sets of the cylon ships which started in ep. 5 in season 3.
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Originally Posted by SirCastor
The original Star Trek had been picked up right after it was canceled, but the set had bulldozed, and so it didn't take off again.
Where did you hear that?
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They almost always store the sets. After DS9 I saw the Defiant bridge modified into an alien ship and used in Voyager (the episode where there is a voyager and crew impostor). In TNG I saw the same alien shuttle interior used at least 3 times redressed.
Another interesting fact for those who missed it is the Pegasus sets were actually bought from the canceled before it aired Lost in Space TV show. Otherwise they would have never been able to afford it.
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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak
I've come to the conclusion that the average TV show only has about 3-4 effective seasons before the writers become absolutely useless.
This actually is an issue, because of burnout. Working on TV is a tough job: long hours (70 to 80 hour weeks are common), absolutely rigid deadlines and serious money pressures from the higher ups. It's not uncommon for people to move on after a few years just to take a break.
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Originally Posted by Don Pickett
This actually is an issue, because of burnout. Working on TV is a tough job: long hours (70 to 80 hour weeks are common), absolutely rigid deadlines and serious money pressures from the higher ups. It's not uncommon for people to move on after a few years just to take a break.
How on earth can it take 80 hours every week to write two or three hours of television a season like many TV writers do?
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I take it you've never written anything lengthy.
You assume that writers simply sit down and spout the Word of God, that there are no revisions, no drafts, no plot uncertainties that need to be resolved or fought out with producers, cast, directors, or set builders, no budget constraints or sudden management decisions that force complete episode rewrites that affect any preliminary outlining/writing already done for the next six to fifteen episode storylines/character development...all under constantly looming, daily-shifting production deadlines...
I'm sure there are people who thrive under such pressure (they certainly wouldn't be able to do the job if they weren't), but even the most stress-enhanced types need a break after a while, if only to get off the drugs necessary to keep them working at that pace.
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That's too bad that it'll be the last season. So little good sci fi on TV nowadays, it's a shame there will be even less of it in a year.
At least it sounds like we'll get a season of good, tight episodes and storytelling. None of the slow episodes which were kind of a damper for a lot of people during the second half of season two and most of season 3.
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Originally Posted by scottiB
Sad. But probably for the best. It's better to go out strong than to linger for years as a pale shadow of what used to be. *cough*MASH*cough*
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Well, at least they aren't pulling a Farscape and just dropping production.
Very sad to see it go, but give the quality thus far, I am guessing it will definitely go out with a bang.
Maybe next stop is a feature film like Serenity? Now I just remembered how I've missed Firefly as well... 
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Weird, in every interview over the years RDM has always said he had a 5 year plan for the show.
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Good call BSG. Season 3 was off, I'm sorry to say.
Seasons 1 and 2 were utterly amazing though. Loved every episode.
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Originally Posted by analogika
I take it you've never written anything lengthy.
You assume that writers simply sit down and spout the Word of God, that there are no revisions, no drafts, no plot uncertainties that need to be resolved or fought out with producers, cast, directors, or set builders, no budget constraints or sudden management decisions that force complete episode rewrites that affect any preliminary outlining/writing already done for the next six to fifteen episode storylines/character development...all under constantly looming, daily-shifting production deadlines...
I'll assume each script page takes an hour to write. That sounds pretty long, but let's go in with that assumption. That means one script takes you about 60 hours to write. Then, oh no! Complete rewrite! We're now up to 120 hours of writing. That is quite a lot. But fortunately, after that, your next script isn't due for another three months. So that works out to an average of, what, eight-and-a-half hours per week writing? I don't see how that's going to completely burn a person out after a couple of years.
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It seems that the series finale has been in the works since season 2 and really started rolling after the algae planet episode.
And you've got to love this quote by Ron Moore:
"We thought, if we don't start paying this off and really revealing those secrets, we'll be moving in the wrong direction and get to a place where it felt like we were jerking off the audience"
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Originally Posted by Chuckit
I'll assume each script page takes an hour to write. That sounds pretty long, but let's go in with that assumption.
Does that include or exclude meetings with directors, cast, set designers, studio managers and financiers, TV agents, storyboarders, FX specialists, as well as multiple drafts and writers' block alleviation time and brainstorming walks and delays for inspiration in resolving plot problems?
Because those things are the difference between a crap soap and BSG.
Writing a good script isn't like compiling sources for a term paper and putting them together into a text.
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Originally Posted by Peter
Good call BSG. Season 3 was off, I'm sorry to say.
Seasons 1 and 2 were utterly amazing though. Loved every episode.
Season 3 had a very different focus, but IMO, it absolutely held up to the first two.
Of course, that really is a matter of opinion.
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES
What, my link to the same article wasn't good enough? 
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Originally Posted by ThinkInsane
What, my link to the same article wasn't good enough?
Your's just said "Link", not ""Battlestar" finale in works for a while - Yahoo! News"
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Battlestar Cylons May Surprise
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"And I don't mind going down in history as one of the Cylon gods and one of the 12 Cylon human forms."
Cylon GodS? I thought they only had "One true god". The final 5 are Cylon Gods somehow?
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Saw an ad for the new season during Eureka last night - it was of the Pegasus crew during the attacks. Looked interesting.
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES
I'm really hoping this last season is good, but part of me thinks it's just going to be more season 3.
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Originally Posted by goMac
I'm really hoping this last season is good, but part of me thinks it's just going to be more season 3.
Except for a few stand alone episodes in the end I loved season 3 so if you are right that is a good thing.
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Yep, season 3 brought with it the single coolest moment in TV history - when Galactica jumped in and out of the atmosphere of New Caprica. 
Can't wait to see that when it comes out in HD.
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Originally Posted by jokell82
Yep, season 3 brought with it the single coolest moment in TV history - when Galactica jumped in and out of the atmosphere of New Caprica.
Can't wait to see that when it comes out in HD.
Oh, that was certainly a cool episode. Post-New Caprica concerned me though. And the 4 more Cylons felt like a cop out to me.
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