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Jul 20, 2002, 11:53 PM
 
I really think it is shabby treatment by Apple of it's user base not to offer some kind of a discount to existing purchasers of Mac OS X. In effect, Apple is saying "We don't care that you bought the incomplete, buggy version of our new operating system" to every person who went to the trouble and expense of locating and buying OS X in the first place. Personally, I had to drive to another city to obtain my copy, and from what I read at the time, so did many others. Not only for the original version, but also for the update. I'm kind of wondering why now. I could have waited and saved a couple of hundred bucks, and some of my time. Current Mac OS X users should get a 50% discount on this product, as a way of saying "thanks" from Apple.
     
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Jul 21, 2002, 12:13 AM
 
Okay it's your first post here....welcome....

First of all - yes, you could have waited and saved a hundred bucks, but then you would not have been using (at least legally) 10.0/10.1 for the last year and a bit.....but yes, there are many here that agree with your sentiment - there should be an upgrade path.

Second - please read the posting guidelines. There are already threads going (both here and in the lounge) about apple pricing...really no need for yet another.
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Jul 21, 2002, 12:14 AM
 
I bought the public beta for $30.

When I bought 10.0, I got a $30 discount as a way of saying "thanks for helping us test OS X"

The upgrade to 10.1 was free (or $20 s+h if you mail ordered) for all existing OS X users, as a way for apple to "thank" the early adopters.

Jag is here. The public testing and early adoption stages are over. Steve Jobs buried OS 9. You get an arse-load of new features. There's nothing left for Apple to feel obliged to "thank" its userbase for anymore.

Look, I think it's a tad overpriced, but no one is forcing you to upgrade. So you don't get iChat... whoop-de-do. iTunes and all the rest of your important apps will still work fine in 10.1.5. It's perfectly acceptable for Apple to charge full price for this upgrade.

FWIW - Apple could have called this 10.5 (as there was some speculation they would), and I doubt as many people would be complaining like they do in the other threads about this.
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Jul 21, 2002, 01:06 AM
 
Damn f-ing skippy.

It's not so much that I need it to be cheaper, but it would be nice to get a break since I bought the beta, bought 10 and paid $19.95 for 10.1. I got a $30 break on 10.0 because I bought the beta, so all in all I have only paid $149.95 for the beta, 10.0 and 10.1. Not bad, but I'd appreciate even a $30 break. Hell, at $99 I think there'd be less bitching. I'll still pay, as I will pay more for better things. Some things I won't pay a premium for; others verge on necessity. Having used 10.2 builds, my guess is that this is going to make a lot of people happy. Older computers will ahve some new life breathed into them, as I wasn't allowed to use the latest build except in my sources office. It was on a B&W G3 and while it wasn't a Dual, it was hell and gone faster than 10.1.5**. This is a great upgrade and worth the money, I just wish those that already bought it could get a break. Like the copy that came with my iBook I bought 5 weeks ago....

** Speed estimates are my own and are likely meaningless to the masses. Fast and slow have personal interpretations and mine are different than yours. So there.
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Jul 21, 2002, 01:18 AM
 
The only thing that I am absolutely sure about is that Apple should include 1 free year of .mac to anyone who buys a new machine. Every punk drug dealer knows that.

The rest gets iffier, and I vacillate about my true feelings. .mac and the idea of Apple "web-services" is extremely limited, and pales in comparison to .net (even if .net isn't all it's cracked up to be yet). I know that Apple has to start somewhere, but I'd like to see a little more value before I'm asked to pony up the green. That's another thread, my biggest beef was getting hit with QT6pro, MPEG2, Jaguar, & .mac all at once. They could at least throw a QT6 key in with an upgrade.

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Jul 21, 2002, 01:30 AM
 
Despite my feelings, I like the idea of Apple growing up and acting like a company. Cool products are great, but only as long as the company can function by making a profit. I'll take a page from your book:

It's nice to keep the people that make you happy afloat!

(Pardon my hijacking your line.)
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Jul 21, 2002, 01:33 AM
 
Personally, I don't give a fig about the loss of iTools, except perhaps the fact that it was advertised as a feature of OS X, and it's change/removal is sure to open up Apple to some sort of class action suit.
     
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Jul 21, 2002, 01:37 AM
 
It's still a feature; we just have to pay for it now.

As for a class action, I doubt there is grounds, but don't doubt that one would have no trouble finding a lawyer that would take the case.
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Jul 21, 2002, 05:04 AM
 
Apple doesn't need to give discounts on its OS, because the purpose of such discounts is customer loyalty. Since someone who buys a Mac is much more loyal than, say, someone who purchases a Windows box, Apple has no need for that.

Didn't say that I like it, but that's the way it is.

Maybe a subscription model would be cool, you pay x � (or $) in order to get regular updates for two years or so. (Of course -- unlike new versions of M$ Office -- you are entitled to use the software after your subscription ended.)
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Jul 21, 2002, 11:07 PM
 
Need isn't the question. Fairness is. There should be some sort of recognition of prior support for early adopters. It's not a NEW operating system, just an upgrade, and in my book, just too damn expensive. I won't pay it. I would have a reasonable amount. Instead, I'll find it on a hack site, or get a friend in school to split the educational price '$69.00' with me. Too bad, but Apple, you made me do it.
     
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Jul 22, 2002, 01:16 PM
 
Firstly, welcome new member!

As far as I'm concerned, there can't be too many threads criticisng Jaguar's uprade pricing.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by BTP:
<strong>... I like the idea of Apple growing up and acting like a company. Cool products are great, but only as long as the company can function by making a profit. I'll take a page from your book:...

(Pardon my hijacking your line.) </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Apple has a fairly huge advertising budget. How much do you think iTools cost in comparison to that?

How successful do you think iTools was a bringing a certain coolness to the Mac platform? How succesful do you think it could have been as a feature to lure new users to the Mac platform?
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Jul 22, 2002, 01:24 PM
 
I agree. Their should be an update price.
     
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Jul 22, 2002, 01:29 PM
 
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Earth Mk. II:
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Look, I think it's a tad overpriced, but no one is forcing you to upgrade. So you don't get iChat... whoop-de-do. iTunes and all the rest of your important apps will still work fine in 10.1.5. It's perfectly acceptable for Apple to charge full price for this upgrade.
.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">There are aspects of 10.1 that are unacceptable in a modern OS.

1. Window resizing can be horrendous.
2. spinning beachball pops up way too often.
3. Mail forgets its settings.
4. Internet System Preferences forgets that Mail is not my default email client due to 3
5. Core Audio issues which Steinberg and Emagic were waiting for resolution of.
6. Less UI refinement than 9.

Staying with 10.1 is not an option. Cubase SX and Apple Logic Audio won't be working in 10.1.

None of these will be fixed in 10.1. 10.2 is the fix and you have to pay full price.

If you spent $2000 on a G4 3 months ago, you'd still think it 'perfectly acceptable' to pay a full $129 for the upgrade?
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Jul 22, 2002, 01:43 PM
 
The vast majority of Mac's out there are running OS 9.

Why?

Well Quark XPress is one big reason.

Another reason is that 10.1 just wasn't quite ready.

I've said all this before, but not in this thread ;-)

Mac OS X is OK for us at home, but things move a little more slowly and conservatively in the soho environment. The OS has to be seen to work, there's no point taking a gamble.

Office had some upleasant bugs, FileMaker 5.5 X first release was a dog, AppleWorks stinks, Photoshop seems slow. Scanner drivers AWOL (not Apple's fault) Mail is flaky, the only drivers in the UK for BT's USB DSL are flaky, Retrospect was extremely flaky, UI unresposiveness is a ctually confusing for technophobes, etc, etc.

Jaguar seems to have fixed most of these. Hip, hip.

Is Jaguar a good advertisement for Apple and the Mac?

I think so.

Now is the time to switch all those iMac's and PowerBooks we bought late last year and early this year from 9 to 10.2 (We didn't even bother running 10.x)

Is this going to happen?

At �99 ($129) you can forget it.

When will it happen? In a year or two

Ultimately, Apple loses more than the upgrade fee from this equasion.

And I'm not just talking about goodwill.
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Jul 22, 2002, 01:44 PM
 
If you want 10.2, you pay $129. You may choose not to pay $129 and continue to use 10.1.5 for as long as you want. Apple isn't forcing you.

Truth is, the last full version of OS9 (9.0.0) was when? 1999? 2000? You have gone two years without paying for an OS upgrade. If you want 10.2, you pay $129. I paid $99 for 10.1 in september 2001 and I'll pay $129 (or less) for 10.2 just because of Quartz Extreme. Apple charges for an "upgrade" about once a year. No change there.

If you don't like it, you can switch to MS Winblows XP and see if you like paying M$ every year.

If you bought 10.1 in the last 30-90 days, then you should get 10.2 for $20 through the up-to-date program. Everyone else pays full price.

Apple doesn't say "thanks". They stay in business and keep producing product. When they go under, you can say whatever you want, but I doubt anyone will be "thanking" you for NOT spending money.

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Jul 22, 2002, 02:10 PM
 
doods.. $129 is CHEEP
winXP pro is $299!
i can't wait to be able to run OSX on my 2001 iBook (finally)

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Jul 22, 2002, 05:18 PM
 
I will say, they should have had an upgrade fee extending two months into the past, so that if you got OSX three months before the Jaguar release you'd get at least some kind of discount, or even better if you got it within a month of the release.

That's only fair, no?
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by SteveJobs:
<strong>I agree. Their should be an update price.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Sorry. Loads of Apple software engineers work very long and hard (I know some Apple employees) to bring you OS upgrades. They need to have full salaries, which costs money. What about the marketing, demoers, QA, documentation people? What about the people that burn CDs and package them to get to the stores and your mailbox?

When you go to work, do you get a full salary your first year and then an "upgrade salary" the next? I mean, you're doing the same old job, right? Why should you get paid full price every day you work there?

This is not a minor incremental bug-fix release. It's a full-blown major update with new applications, features, and huge chunks or redone code.

So, by everyone's model, Apple is supposed to put out a kicking OS, and then survive and grow on either free, or $19.95 upgrades every year for ever and ever? Riiiiight.

Get real. I bought Word 98 for iBook and iMac, I bought Retrospect Express, I bought an old Toast. Now I have to re-buy full versions of all these, and I'm not complaining.

Your OS is a key function you use every day, ever millisecond of computing you do, the OS is involved. You don't want to cough up $129 for that?
     
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Jul 22, 2002, 08:42 PM
 
Is anyone seriously complaining about the price of Jaguar? No-one has to upgrade. 10.1 is completely usable for most things. Anything you deperately need? cough up.

The only people I see as having a real gripe are those that paid �2000 for a new Mac in the last month or so,, they *really* shouldn't have to pay another $129. But then if the did - they can probably afford it..
     
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Jul 23, 2002, 07:15 AM
 
All these people who say "No one has to upgrade" might as well have "I am a dildo" stamped on their foreheads.

But then there presumably are people out their using the "Snappy? - it just flies on my 266 iMac Public Beta..."
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by booboo:
<strong>All these people who say "No one has to upgrade" might as well have "I am a dildo" stamped on their foreheads.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">- ouch!

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Jul 23, 2002, 09:16 AM
 
I think 10.2 is worth $129 but I think they should offer an upgrade price as well, kind of makes sense to reward people who keep up to date regularly. I maybe they see it as important for them to get people on to any version of OS X though so maybe this way they'll encourage OS 9 users who will see this as a bargain.

Does sort of send out the wrong message to the strongest advocates of X though but I guess a major OS shift like this is something they won't have to do again for a while and they assume people will forget.
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sambeau with that stamped on your head you might become a big hit with the ladies? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Maybe we should all give it a try
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First off I am an Apple Lover Through and Through. Now that thats said, there are all very good arguments here. I work at a school and just 3 weeks ago we bought 200 licences for 10.1, even amidst a budget crisis. Now it seems that we are to pay full price for all these licences again if we want to use 10.2. I see no reason why this should be after we just plunked down several grand to buy these licences. I'm not supporting Microsoft here but Microsoft doesn't charge everytime a service pack comes out. This priceing scheme is going to hurt apple in the long run. This new fiasco has just given our PC loving Administrator one more reason to tell us to go all PC's.....we don't want that to happen but if Apple continues to try and Milk every penny they can out of us we will be forced(willing or not) to switch to the dark side. That also said 10.2 is well worth $129 if bought new, but there should be a cheaper upgrade and people in the situation perhaps such as ours should get extreamly cheap if not free upgrades to 10.2. Apple does not make a good argument for us to keep Macs in this very broke school district.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by CarpetFluff:
<strong>sambeau with that stamped on your head you might become a big hit with the ladies? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Maybe we should all give it a try </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Aah. But my head isn't reaaly that shape..

     
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Jul 23, 2002, 10:16 AM
 
I agree. There should be an upgrade price of $20 or so. Charge the full price to new OS X users.

And I think that the people pissing about Apple employees having families to feed should have "I am a dildo" stamped on their foreheads!
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Jul 23, 2002, 10:26 AM
 
Exactly, I'm not questioning that 10.2 isn't worth $129, I'm questioning how Apple is running the upgrade to 10.2. Even at 20 bucks a pop, 200 licences is a friggin lot at $4,000 for something we just bought and resonably expected to be good for at least 6 months. But thats much more reasonable then the close to 13 thousand for new 10.2 licences right now.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by macdude22:
<strong>Exactly, I'm not questioning that 10.2 isn't worth $129, I'm questioning how Apple is running the upgrade to 10.2. Even at 20 bucks a pop, 200 licences is a friggin lot at $4,000 for something we just bought and resonably expected to be good for at least 6 months. But thats much more reasonable then the close to 13 thousand for new 10.2 licences right now.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Ever heard of Apple Maintenance Program?

Your 200 licenses would cost $39 a piece including three years of updates.

Edit: Did I hear a loud D'oh!

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We here are not familiar with The Apple Maintenance Program, our apple rep has never mentioned anything about it and I was unable to locate it on apple site. Could you elaborate more on it please, thanks.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by macdude22:
<strong>We here are not familiar with The Apple Maintenance Program, our apple rep has never mentioned anything about it and I was unable to locate it on apple site. Could you elaborate more on it please, thanks.

-alex-</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Here:

<a href="http://www.macminute.com/lib/020601osxma.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.macminute.com/lib/020601osxma.shtml</a>

I made a mistake - it's $39 pr. seat pr. year for three years. ($117)
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Apple should really offer a cheaper upgrade price. I have never heard of ANY software where upgrading from one version to the next cost the same as purchasing the full version. Apple's desperately trying to meet next quarter's revenue with outlandish business practices.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by adamtki:
<strong>I have never heard of ANY software where upgrading from one version to the next cost the same as purchasing the full version. Apple's desperately trying to meet next quarter's revenue with outlandish business practices.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">They've been doing it for about five years.
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Please drop this freakin topic!!!! Talk about troll-bait. I paid for mine already, you should too.
     
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Ok.

It's late so I would not be saying very much.

I use OS X 10.1.5. Then comes Jaguar. That's when the trouble starts. I am absolutely silent and stunned, absolutely terrified and fed up by the flawless, clunky, horrid and unwildy way and the intuitive simplicity of upgrading floating around that gets out of your way. I said: "Wow!" (To say it in the "simple" language everyone can understand, Apple lets us believe).

I mean, I bought 10.1 FULLY for � 158,37 ($ 156,79) by travelling the whole city of Amsterdam, and I finally found ONE store that had it. They were unfriendly, however, if I wanted OS X I should buy it there, cause it was raining so I felt bad. Now not even ONE YEAR further, having been an OS X user that was satisfied (however, after my necessary buy of 512MB of RAM, and a lot, I repeat, a lot, do you hear me, a LOT of moments with spinning beachballs etc. etc), Apple is telling me that I should pay the full price AGAIN?

3 words: This is ridiculous.

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif"> I use OS X 10.1.5. Then comes Jaguar. That's when the trouble starts. I am absolutely silent and stunned, absolutely terrified and fed up by the flawless, clunky, horrid and unwildy way and the intuitive simplicity of upgrading floating around that gets out of your way. I said: "Wow!" (To say it in the "simple" language everyone can understand, Apple lets us believe).
I mean, I bought 10.1 FULLY for � 158,37 ($ 156,79) by travelling the whole city of Amsterdam, and I finally found ONE store that had it. They were unfreindly, however, if I wanted OS X I should buy it there, cause it was raning so I felt bad. Now not even ONE YEAR further, having been an OS X user that was satisfied (however, after my necessary buy of 512MB of RAM, and a lot, I repeat, a lot, do you hear me, a LOT of moments with spinning beachballs etc. etc), Apple is telling me that I should pay the full price AGAIN?
3 words: This is ridiculous </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Yes I agree! and your English is a whole lot better than my Dutch!

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thanks, I hope my english is a bit well?

where in the UK are you? I was in London 1 day ago
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Everyone has the right to complain! I have invested alot of money in my Mac and if I feel that Apple is making a bad business decision than I have every right to complain. The OS Upgrades in general are overpriced, Mac OS and Windows upgrades cost way to much. Apple should keep improving its operating to sell more computers and applications. .Mac is overpriced, I don't want to pay on the promises that more great services will be added when I buy 1 and I want to pay monthly. I don't want to pay on the promises that more great services will be added if I buy 10.2, I still feel like I have been screwed with the promises Apple made on 10.0 and 10.1.
     
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by fmalloy:
<strong>Sorry. Loads of Apple software engineers work very long and hard (I know some Apple employees) to bring you OS upgrades. They need to have full salaries, which costs money. What about the marketing, demoers, QA, documentation people? What about the people that burn CDs and package them to get to the stores and your mailbox?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">I get very tired of the "the software engineers worked hard" excuse. Of course they work hard and they get paid for it. This isn't about if we feel we should pay the engineers for their work. It's if we should pay Apple for the work they did. They are getting their paychecks one way or the other. Don't feel sorry for them if Apple wants to give it away for free.

That said, I do believe it's time to pay again. It would be nice for some kind of an upgrade break instead of forcing everyone to go full version. Most software-only companies do upgrade versions at a lowered cost. It would only make sense to have one for this as well.
     
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Windows 2000 = NT 5.0
Windows XP = NT 5.1

So, Microsoft went from 5.0 to 5.1, and added a few bells and whistles and charged full price for the beast. Well, there is an upgrade, but it's $99, so it's comparable to OSX 10.2's price (as has been mentioned, the full price for XP is $299, and that only allows you to have 10 incoming TCP/IP connections to boot!). Would everyone have been happer if Apple had called it 10.5 or (God forbid) MacOS XP?
     
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If the full price had been $169 and the upgrade was $129, I actually think that there would have been less complaints.

The people that have supported OS X by adopting early and paying early should be recognized by Apple with a cheaper price towards 10.2.
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I've had my iMac for nearly a year, i bought it because of OSX and i paid the P&P for 10.1. I still have 2 coupons gathering dust in a drawer Apple should be looking at 2.5 million of us who have adopted X and say thanks, have Jaguar for say �30. The other 22.5 million mac people should pay for the full upgrade.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by ink:
<strong>Windows 2000 = NT 5.0
Windows XP = NT 5.1

So, Microsoft went from 5.0 to 5.1, and added a few bells and whistles and charged full price for the beast. Well, there is an upgrade, but it's $99, so it's comparable to OSX 10.2's price (as has been mentioned, the full price for XP is $299, and that only allows you to have 10 incoming TCP/IP connections to boot!). Would everyone have been happer if Apple had called it 10.5 or (God forbid) MacOS XP?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">I don't think that Win2000 users upgrade to WinXP Home, so the upgrade price is actually $199.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jerommeke:
<strong>thanks, I hope my english is a bit well?

where in the UK are you? I was in London 1 day ago </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">I'm London, but I think this is off topic <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
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Thanks JLL we're gunna look into that....also going to look into why our apple rep has never mentioned anything about a 3 year program.
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When I paid the full retail price for 10.0, it came with 3 upgrade coupons in the box. So the way I figure, Apple still owes me one more freebie beyond Jaguar.
After all, the 9.1 to 9.2 upgrade was free.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by malvolio:
<strong>When I paid the full retail price for 10.0, it came with 3 upgrade coupons in the box. So the way I figure, Apple still owes me one more freebie beyond Jaguar.
After all, the 9.1 to 9.2 upgrade was free.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Did Mac OS 8 users get a free Mac OS 8.5 and a free Mac OS 9 if the mailed in the coupons? No!

Those coupons are used as a proof of purchase when you want a free update mailed to you (some examples are: Mac OS X 10.1, Mac OS X Server 10.1 and Mac OS 9.2).
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by malvolio:
<strong>When I paid the full retail price for 10.0, it came with 3 upgrade coupons in the box. So the way I figure, Apple still owes me one more freebie beyond Jaguar.
After all, the 9.1 to 9.2 upgrade was free.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Following Apple's Normal Upgrade Convention a point release has never been a pay upgrade, from say 9.1-9.2, 8.1-8.5, Pay upgrade, but you still got an upgrade discount even on that, I think that enough people are going to either not buy mac OS 10.2, or forget the platform all together and switch to the dark side, being in contact with 2 other school districts in the past week, they both are in the same boat we are. Just bought 10.1 be cause we had to, and then this gets popped on us. All districts are currently trying to negotiate with apple on this but it really is outragous and the 2 other districts and ours have been seriously contemplating switching to PC entirely. I for one really don't want to see this happen, I love the Mac, Many kids and teachers love the mac, but when it comes down to it, money and administration make the final decision.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by CarpetFluff:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jerommeke:
<strong>thanks, I hope my english is a bit well?

where in the UK are you? I was in London 1 day ago </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">I'm London, but I think this is off topic <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">kewl

London was great.

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