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ambush · Jun 1, 2006, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by CharlesS

I highly doubt it's "poor people" that pirate apps as much as it's spoiled 15-year-old rich kids who think their desire to have everything they want NOW overrides all else.

Riiiiiiiight...

Spoiled 15 yr-old can have my sw for free too. Been there, done that. I don't ****ing care.

Why do you think Photoshop has such a strong user base? 50% of its userbase is probably pirated. That's just a fact, man. And littles kids who pirate it, will one day be the people in charge of buying software in company and buy adobe a corp. license, which is much $$$.

ambush · Jun 1, 2006, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

Then why don't you give away free licenses to poor people. Isn't it pretty nasty that besides them being poor in addition to that you are criminalising them?

I gave so many free licenses. Basically ANYONE who asks me personally will get one free.
I lose nothing when I give a license. NOTHING. I don't ****ing CARE.

Poor people are free to email me, and if they say they love my app but truly can't afford it, they'll have a license for free.

I also accept if they do it via piracy.

Doofy · Jun 1, 2006, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by ambush

I gave so many free licenses. Basically ANYONE who asks me personally will get one free.

You're lying. I asked you for a free licence once. No reply, no licence.

Socially Awkward Solo · Jun 1, 2006, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by ambush

I lose nothing when I give a license. NOTHING. I don't ****ing CARE.

Well NOTHING but a potential sale.

At any rate I won my license from your app, if I had pirated it I might feel a bit guilty just because I know you are from these boards.

turtle777 · Jun 1, 2006, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

You're lying. I asked you for a free licence once. No reply, no licence.

Sure it wasn't personal ?

-t

ambush · Jun 1, 2006, 12:17 PM

By the way

thepiratebay.org
SITE DOWN - WILL BE UP AND FULLY FUNCTIONAL WITHIN A DAY OR TWO

YAY

Doofy · Jun 1, 2006, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

Sure it wasn't personal ?

This was in the early days, before you all had chance to grow to hate me.

turtle777 · Jun 1, 2006, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

This was in the early days, before you all had chance to grow to hate me.

Oh, I remember, back then you were sooo cute

-t

krillbee · Jun 1, 2006, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Socially Awkward Solo

Well NOTHING but a potential sale.

Actually its not likely that they'll lose a sale either. think about it, if someone who is poor or who wont spend money on the product, is pirating it, then either way the company isnt getting any money from that person.

Either the person wont buy it and wont use it or the person wont buy it but will use it via pirating.

So how could you say the company is losing a sale from them? Granted there are people who are willing and able to buy it, and may consider doing so if piracy is too much of a hassle for them, but I'm not talking about these types of people, I'm talking about those who dont think the product is worth its price and will pirate it instead.

starman · Jun 1, 2006, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by krillbee

Actually its not likely that they'll lose a sale either. think about it, if someone who is poor or who wont spend money on the product, is pirating it, then either way the company isnt getting any money from that person.

Either the person wont buy it and wont use it or the person wont buy it but will use it via pirating.

So how could you say the company is losing a sale from them? Granted there are people who are willing and able to buy it, and may consider doing so if piracy is too much of a hassle for them, but I'm not talking about these types of people, I'm talking about those who dont think the product is worth its price and will pirate it instead.

But they ARE USING IT. Therefore, they LOST MONEY.

Socially Awkward Solo · Jun 1, 2006, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by krillbee

Actually its not likely that they'll lose a sale either. think about it, if someone who is poor or who wont spend money on the product, is pirating it, then either way the company isnt getting any money from that person.

Only poor people pirate software? You've got to be kidding me.

Salty · Jun 1, 2006, 01:59 PM

I know tons of rich kids who pirate software. In high school we had a guy in my Advance Production class who had a high end computer at home... and go figure he didn't pay for any of the 3D software he used to one up me for the high mark award.... course... I did pay for my copy of Macromedia's tools so he only beat me by 1%

turtle777 · Jun 1, 2006, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Socially Awkward Solo

Only poor people pirate software? You've got to be kidding me.

I guess I must be poor then

-t

krillbee · Jun 2, 2006, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by starman

But they ARE USING IT. Therefore, they LOST MONEY.

using software isnt the same as using a table or something. The table can become weak over time, whereas using software doesnt impact the product or take away from its life, (unless you are using disks or something)
If I walked into a hardware store and used some glue in the store and put it back, of course they'd lose money, since they product has been opened, used, etc.

But software is a resource that can be used infinitely and doesnt have a lifecycle (other than when it gets old so ppl buy the newer version)

Originally Posted by Socially Awkward Solo

Only poor people pirate software? You've got to be kidding me.

the second part of my post with the poor people was just an example. Read what i wrote earlier in my post:

"if someone who is poor or who wont spend money on the product"

My point is, if someone doesnt want to buy the product and they dont think it will ever be worth their money to, then they wont buy it. whether they pirate it or not, either way, the business isn't going to be getting any profit from that person.

Doofy · Jun 2, 2006, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by krillbee

But software is a resource that can be used infinitely and doesnt have a lifecycle (other than when Apple changes the OS *again* so that the old software no longer works)

Fixed.

Big Mac · 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by CharlesS

I highly doubt it's "poor people" that pirate apps as much as it's spoiled 15-year-old rich kids who think their desire to have everything they want NOW overrides all else.

If 15 year olds had lots of disposable income on average, I imagine they'd be less inclined to pirate. The same can be said for any age cohort because age really does not have much to do with it. And if there's a strong statistical correlation between torrenting and youth, it would mostly be due to the fact that younger people are more comfortable with technology and more apt to take advantage of the opportunities it affords. I do not support copyright infringement, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

Eug Wanker · Jun 12, 2006, 08:39 PM

It seems that when TBP.org went back up, they got a new logo too:

krillbee · Jun 16, 2006, 08:29 AM

is it just me, or do they not have as much content as they did before?

Landos Mustache · Jun 22, 2006, 04:36 PM

"Swedish Television News reports that the police action followed pressure from the American government.
Swedish Television says it has documents that show the U.S. threatened to go to the World Trade Organization to impose economic sanctions against Sweden if the site was not stopped. The message reportedly came through the American Embassy in Stockholm. "

http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/Internation...Artikel=883696

olePigeon · Jun 22, 2006, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

"Swedish Television News reports that the police action followed pressure from the American government.
Swedish Television says it has documents that show the U.S. threatened to go to the World Trade Organization to impose economic sanctions against Sweden if the site was not stopped. The message reportedly came through the American Embassy in Stockholm. "

http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/Internation...Artikel=883696

Not surprising.

King Bob On The Cob · Jun 22, 2006, 05:50 PM

I used to pirate alot. As soon as I got a job and started making money, I started paying for software. It's as simple as a debit card made it easy to pay for software, and I couldn't really before. Plus getting updates without something breaking is great.

krillbee · Jun 22, 2006, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

"Swedish Television News reports that the police action followed pressure from the American government.
Swedish Television says it has documents that show the U.S. threatened to go to the World Trade Organization to impose economic sanctions against Sweden if the site was not stopped. The message reportedly came through the American Embassy in Stockholm. "

http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/Internation...Artikel=883696

go figure, the U.S. has the power to twist anyones arm. looks like the stupid RIAA and MPAA will get their damn wishes after all.

Chuckit · Jun 22, 2006, 07:43 PM

What do you mean? The Pirate Bay is already back.

krillbee · Jun 23, 2006, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

What do you mean? The Pirate Bay is already back.

yeah, but who knows for how long.

Sweden has to shut them down or their government may face economic sanctions.

ambush · Jun 23, 2006, 08:53 AM

Yes, but they're in Denmark AND Russia now.

Landos Mustache · Jun 23, 2006, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by ambush

Yes, but they're in Denmark AND Russia now.

Somehow I don't think that RIAA will care and they will use low blow tactics like threats to cut off trade to get their way.

I really can't decide what makes the US look worse, Bush or the RIAA.

Dakar · Jun 23, 2006, 09:01 AM

The RIAA. A lot of Americans support Bush.

Landos Mustache · Jun 23, 2006, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar

A lot of Americans support Bush.

Which kinda make it look worse than doesn't it.

The RIAA is horrible but the rest of the world can see Americans don't support them.

Bush is horrible, and many idiots support him. That makes it worse. Thanks for solving that one for me.

Dakar · Jun 23, 2006, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Which kinda make it look worse than doesn't it.

The RIAA is horrible but the rest of the world can see Americans don't support them.

Bush is horrible, and many idiots support him. That makes it worse.

Bush runs a democracy, so at least he's enforcing the 'will of the people.'

The RIAA isn't even a corporation. It's a big stack of money throwing its weight around, and in 2 years or 6 years or whatever, no one can change that.

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Thanks for solving that one for me.

Blow it out your ear.

Landos Mustache · Jun 23, 2006, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar

Blow it out your ear.

I guess you are more talented than me as I can't exhale vigorously out my ears.

Chuckit · Jun 23, 2006, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar

Bush runs a democracy, so at least he's enforcing the 'will of the people.'

Not the PL, people.

Though I would like to note on a purely factual basis that the kind of Democracy we have in America doesn't actually guarantee our leaders will always follow the "will of the people." Once in office, the president doesn't have to ask the people for their opinion.

Gossamer · Jun 23, 2006, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Not the PL, people.

Though I would like to note on a purely factual basis that the kind of Democracy we have in America doesn't actually guarantee our leaders will always follow the "will of the people." Once in office, the president doesn't have to ask the people for their opinion.

And representatives can vote along party lines no matter what their district actually thinks. We need politicians that will represent their people, not their party.

kcmac · Jun 23, 2006, 09:49 PM

The discussion started with pirates and is ending with politicians...

Jun 24, 2006, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by krillbee

Actually its not likely that they'll lose a sale either. think about it, if someone who is poor or who wont spend money on the product, is pirating it, then either way the company isnt getting any money from that person.

People who pirate keep making that pathetic rationalization. It doesn't work. How did a poor person purchase a computer? Whatever method you used to get money to the computer, use the same method to get software.

If pirating was impossible, people who were "too poor to pay for software" would give up something else to get the money, like eating out, beer, movies, whatever, get a higher paying job, etc.. When you don't have unlimited funds you make choices. Prioritize what you should spend your money on. If software doesn't rank high enough, then why would you think you deserve it for free? But today, since pirating is easy and people somehow think they deserve something simply by wanting it, will pirate software and then rationalize it with lame excuses like "I would never been able to pay for it anyway." These people could have paid for it, they just chose to spend their money elsewhere.

If you really can't afford it, do without it. At least if you don't have software, you'll have character and integrity.