[sushiism]

ok had a big maya project for uni and maya managed to upset my powerbook 800 running 10.2.6, for some reason now :
+i can only have sound and date in my title bar, dragging on more things like battery/airport doesnt do anything or turning them on in options doesnt either
+safari/ichat crash on startup
+went in to sharing in prefs which now doesnt load the first time you try, but second time it does and it now tells you "ftp is not installed on this computer, to install ftp install the BSD packages using the mac os x installer" this worked last week and such but nope broken now

here is the crash log for safari
"Date/Time: 2004-01-19 15:43:45 +0000
OS Version: 10.2.6 (Build 6L60)
Host: nannou.local.

Command: Safari
PID: 4075

Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000006

Thread 0 Crashed:
#0 0x90136620 in CFRunLoopAddSource
#1 0x97ea1030 in -[NSNetworkSettings(Internal) _listenForProxySettingChanges]
#2 0x97ea0ee4 in -[NSNetworkSettings(Internal) _init]
#3 0x97ef8f80 in initSharedNetworkSettings
#4 0x9005eaa8 in pthread_once
#5 0x97e63b00 in +[NSNetworkSettings sharedNetworkSettings]
#6 0x97e6686c in +[NSSimpleHTTPURLProtocol canInitWithRequest:]
#7 0x97e6946c in +[NSURLProtocol(NSURLProtocolPrivate) _protocolClassForRequest:]
#8 0x97ecbbd8 in -[NSURL(NSURLExtras) _web_canonicalize]
#9 0x000145c4 in 0x145c4
#10 0x000143c4 in 0x143c4
#11 0x00014354 in 0x14354
#12 0x000142c4 in 0x142c4
#13 0x0000f0cc in 0xf0cc
#14 0x93174384 in -[NSWindowController _windowDidLoad]
#15 0x0000ebd0 in 0xebd0
#16 0x931c7020 in -[NSWindowController window]
#17 0x000183e0 in 0x183e0
#18 0x931ca164 in -[NSDocument showWindows]
#19 0x0003a454 in 0x3a454
#20 0x931f06c8 in -[NSDocumentController openUntitledDocumentOfType:display:]
#21 0x93284b54 in -[NSDocumentController newDocument:]
#22 0x00009f24 in 0x9f24
#23 0x00009dec in 0x9dec
#24 0x00009d54 in 0x9d54
#25 0x00009cf0 in 0x9cf0
#26 0x9318a3ac in -[NSApplication _doOpenUntitled]
#27 0x9316140c in _requiredAEEventHandler
#28 0x91b56570 in _Z20aeDispatchAppleEventPK6AEDescPS_mPh
#29 0x91b590cc in _Z25dispatchEventAndSendReplyPK6AEDescPS_
#30 0x91b56478 in aeProcessAppleEvent
#31 0x96a83778 in AEProcessAppleEvent
#32 0x9308e0a8 in _DPSNextEvent
#33 0x930a0158 in -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:]
#34 0x00009920 in 0x9920
#35 0x930b1d88 in -[NSApplication run]
#36 0x9315fc58 in NSApplicationMain
#37 0x000071b4 in 0x71b4
#38 0x00007034 in 0x7034

Thread 1:
#0 0x90073c28 in mach_msg_trap
#1 0x90005f70 in mach_msg
#2 0x901489f0 in __CFRunLoopRun
#3 0x90180f58 in CFRunLoopRunSpecific
#4 0x97e05680 in -[NSRunLoop runMode:beforeDate:]
#5 0x97e19188 in -[NSRunLoop run]
#6 0x7e363d90 in +[WebFileDatabase _syncLoop:]
#7 0x97e2cc50 in forkThreadForFunction
#8 0x90020d28 in _pthread_body

PPC Thread State:
srr0: 0x90136620 srr1: 0x0200d030 vrsave: 0x00000000
xer: 0x20000000 lr: 0x90136600 ctr: 0x901365e8 mq: 0x00000000
r0: 0x00001980 r1: 0xbfffe630 r2: 0x44004280 r3: 0x000fc110
r4: 0x00000000 r5: 0xa0131690 r6: 0x00000080 r7: 0x00000000
r8: 0x000fb010 r9: 0x00000000 r10: 0x000fb290 r11: 0xa7df1a10
r12: 0x901365e8 r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000000 r15: 0x00000000
r16: 0x00000000 r17: 0xbffff6c0 r18: 0x00000000 r19: 0xffffffff
r20: 0x0012d940 r21: 0xa309dd74 r22: 0xbffff520 r23: 0x001398f0
r24: 0x00000000 r25: 0xbffff580 r26: 0x00000000 r27: 0x01947de0
r28: 0x0194f7d0 r29: 0x000fc110 r30: 0xa0131690 r31: 0x90136600"

would it be safe to upgrade to panther on this system? if i do an archive install? and will panther cause any problems with my powerbooks battery becuase didnt 10.2.7/8 cause some?
thanks in advance

[sushiism]

oh and iphoto/image capture cant see my camera but it shows up in system profiller

[Macpilot]

I would not install Panther on a system that is giving you troubles. Why not just back up your stuff, format the hard drive, and do a clean install of Panther? It might take a few hours, but it is worth it in the long run, if you are going to keep that computer for a while.

[coolmacdude]

Originally posted by Macpilot:
I would not install Panther on a system that is giving you troubles. Why not just back up your stuff, format the hard drive, and do a clean install of Panther? It might take a few hours, but it is worth it in the long run, if you are going to keep that computer for a while.

I second that. It will run faster and give you far less problems.

And also, whether you end up doing a archive and install or a reformat, don't just dump all the prferences from your old user folder back into your new one.

[moonmonkey]

Don't do it.

Backup and install fresh.

Will save you time in the lond run.

[CharlesS]

If you don't want to go through the hassle of backing up and restore, do an Archive and Install. It will make sure the new system that is installed contains no trace of the old system (except for stuff in your user folder like preference files, etc. but those can be deleted easily enough). It's a clean enough install - you don't have to do a reformat, although sometimes it's nice to reformat because it does the best defragging job in town.

[sushiism]

well id rather not reformat because i have about 30 gig of data i'd have to backup, dont want t obuy another hard drive to back it up on and dont have a dvd burner so thats a heck of a lot of cd burning plus im not sure how much of it i want to keep etc, prolly be a week long job, i dont think its a problem with the preferences, just seems too serious to be that. Doesnt an archive/install replace everything in the system apart from your use dir which can only really cause problems with your prefs?
I mean its not a problem system seen as its ran flawlessly for a year and a half, its just maya certainly broke something the other day

[Macpilot]

Uh, you need some kind of backup system these days. You can get an external firewire hard drive for less than $100 that will do just fine.

I backup my entire system one a month, just in case.

Hard drives do fail. I have been lucky, but others have not.

[sushiism]

i do back up important stuff, just the not so important stuff i might like to keep which i dont back up which takes up most of the space

[sushiism]

ok check this out hehe tried to install panther after a backup (archive install) got an error in the log about it being unable to find NSalertbox or something in somewhere deep in the system folder within appkit or something. Oh and I/O error -5 i think when checking discks, so i restart and KAPOW osx seems to be working fine now amazing, think I'll try and install panther again in a bit.

[sushiism]

ok so tried it again and erm archive/install failed haha then i restarted POW "?" mark folder, so ran the installer again and it just had reformat and "install macosx for the first time" so i chose that and well its working now at last and luckily all my old user files are stored in previous systems folder. But when i was starting up and maknig my accounts i was paranoid about my old home dir being in the same as my new one so i didnt want it overwritten so i changed my short user name. Now i want my old short name back so i've made a new admin account is it safe to delete the admin account osx made itself? and then move all my old files to this new one?
(seems my old files in the previous system folder have stop signs on and are owned by the user osx made and i cant view them unless i type my password, would this cause issues if i deleted the user?)

thanks in advance

[Old Toad]

Have you tired any of the "fix" solutions. I.E. repair disk permissions, boot into single user mode and run fsck. Here's how:

FSCK - File System Check

To start up in single-user mode
1. Restart the computer.
2. Immediately after the startup sound, press and hold both the Command (Apple) and "s" keys on your keyboard. The computer will display a series of text messages, at which time you may release these keys.

When the computer has started up, it will display a command line prompt (#). The computer is now in single-user mode.

How to Use fsck -y From the Command Line

Once you have reached a command line, follow these steps to use fsck:
1. At the prompt, type: /sbin/fsck -y (NOTE, there is a space between the k and the -)
2. Press Return.

The fsck utility will go through five "phases" and then return information about the disk's utilization and fragmentation. Once the check is finished, if no issue is found, you should see "** The volume <name of volume> appears to be OK."

If fsck alters, repairs, or fixes anything, it will display the message:

***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *****

IMPORTANT: If this message appears, repeat the "fsck -y " command until this message no longer appears. It is normal for your computer to require several "passes" of fsck, because first-pass repairs may uncover additional errors.

3. When fsck reports that no problems were found, type: reboot
4. Press Return.

For Panther:

Type exactly what you see above your cursor "/sbin/fsck -y"
(If you have a Jounalized Volume - which is Panther's default - the command is "/sbin/fsck -y -f").

Always run it two consecutive times with an "OK" result. Type "reboot".

Do you have DiskWarrior? That fixed my system when it was pretty messed up one time. It's a good product.

An alternative to the permissions and fsck is to boot into your installation disk and under the File menu (I think) run disk utility and repair the disk and permissions from it and then reboot.

Hope this has been of some help. Good luck.

[sushiism]

doesnt that just fix messed up permissions in the default install files?
The main problem now is that i have 2 admin users, the one i made when i installed panther "jame2" and the one i want to use "jameshic" but all my files archived from my jag install are owned by "jame"2 and lots of the dir's have stop signs on them and i have to change the permissions and enter my password to use them and then do the same to files in thme like when i tried to reuse me itunes music folder.

Would deleting jame2 make all that users permissions become mine? or what?

I'll try fsck tomorrow too though

[sushiism]

ok think ive sorted it, im using chown to change the ownership of the deep folders/files