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Chongo · Aug 19, 2009, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Yeah, WTF is up with bringing guns to a town hall? Can anybody here defend the rationale behind this?

Two words: Publicity Stunt.

Obama protester's rifle part of 'publicity stunt'

The protester carrying an AR-15 rifle outside President Barack Obama's speech in Phoenix on Monday staged the "publicity stunt" with the help of two local Libertarian groups that have worked with the man on Ron Paul's presidential campaign.

Before attending a pro-Obama health-care reform rally outside the Phoenix Convention Center, the man who identified himself as "Chris" met with members of RP4409 and Freedom's Phoenix. That's according to Freedom's Phoenix Publisher Ernest Hancock, who is credited with coining and designing the logo for the "Ron Paul r3VOLution."

In a YouTube video, Chris displays his semi-automatic rifle which he says "aids me in my resistance efforts."

"We will forcefully resist people imposing their will on us through the strength of the majority with a vote," Chris later tells an Obama supporter in the video. "Just because you sic the government on people doesn't make it morally OK to steal money from people. Taxation is theft."

Chris declined to reveal information about himself. Hancock said he is a Valley resident, an independent conservative and a John Birch Society member.

Chris, who also had a 9mm pistol, was one of a dozen demonstrators openly carrying firearms to the rally, a display that drew national media attention. Under Arizona law, openly carrying firearms in public is legal.

Hancock told CNN's Rick Sanchez on Tuesday that the gun display was planned well in advance. Hancock met with a Phoenix police officer last week, informing him that he and others in his group planned to bring firearms.

When Sanchez suggested many people would see it as a "publicity stunt," Hancock responded: "Absolutely.

ironknee · 08:48 PM

yee haw i want my guns and bible! let's go to a nascar race!

edit: the publicity stunt only explains 2 people with guns... there were 10 others with guns

and what's the point at a health care town hall?

Chongo · Aug 19, 2009, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by ironknee

yee haw i want my guns and bible! let's go to a nascar race!

edit: the publicity stunt only explains 2 people with guns... there were 10 others with guns

and what's the point at a health care town hall?

Arizona is right to carry state. It is also a "shall issue" state. I'm sure there was more than the 10 "open carry" that were noted.

CRASH HARDDRIVE · Aug 19, 2009, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by ironknee

and what's the point at a health care town hall?

To make you wet yourself like an infant over it.

Looks like it worked.

ironknee · Aug 19, 2009, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE

To make you wet yourself like an infant over it.

Looks like it worked.

ah ok, so it's about intimidation?

stumblinmike · Aug 19, 2009, 10:36 PM

Cleetus, the slack-jawed yokel...

CRASH HARDDRIVE · Aug 20, 2009, 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by ironknee

ah ok, so it's about intimidation?

Yes, of tiny minds.

It worked on you.

stumblinmike · Aug 20, 2009, 06:46 AM

Cleetus, we whupped yer butt 100+ yrs ago, and we'll do it again! Don't make us yankees come down there to the swamplands. Now go fishing, chew a reed, cook some roadkill, whatever you folk do down there to stay out of trouble...

Chongo · Aug 20, 2009, 11:39 AM

. It turns out the white guy with AR15 was black.
YouTube - MSNBC: Gun-Toting Protesters are 'White' Racists... Black Guy with AR-15 Edited to Conceal his Race.
YouTube - AR-15, Open Carry - [INTERVIEW]

ironknee · Aug 20, 2009, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE

Yes, of tiny minds.

It worked on you.

so this excuse about having guns is a defensive act is... a lie?

olePigeon · Aug 20, 2009, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by ironknee

so this excuse about having guns is a defensive act is... a lie?

Defense of manhood. Works for me.

ort888 · Aug 20, 2009, 01:16 PM

Why he was there =

Chongo · Aug 20, 2009, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

Why he was there =

At least you can tell his ethnicity.

besson3c · Aug 20, 2009, 04:59 PM

Chongo: it's ironic that that guy in your quote at the top of this page wants people to be afraid of how our liberties are being taken away, but his methods literally make me far more afraid of him than any politician. "We will forcefully resist people imposing their will on us through the strength of the majority with a vote", or in other words anarchy is a more direct and obvious threat to democracy than anything we are debating, and this would be true no matter who was elected.

There are ways of resisting policy in a democracy that don't involve shooting people with firearms or encouraging the use of force, not to mention more effective. The minute that some anti-Obama guy shoots some pro-Obama guy is the same minute that people stop listening to these people, and we should not over-estimate the intellect of people.

olePigeon · Aug 20, 2009, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Chongo

At least you can tell his ethnicity.

Clearly he's Brazilian.

besson3c · Aug 20, 2009, 05:10 PM

ort888: I wouldn't call those guys attention whores, I would just call them not terribly bright based on their tactics. There is a thousand ways their tactics can backfire at a very huge cost.

besson3c · Aug 20, 2009, 05:18 PM

Here's a tip to you Republicans: if you want to use people like Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore as your punching bags, you should apply a safe distance from people like these town hallers, Limbaugh, etc. In other words, if you don't want your views associated and represented by these sorts of people (and I hope you don't), you should be very careful about associating our views with the far left with how you rant and direct your energies.

I extend my offer to Big Mac to all of you: tell us exactly and precisely what a typical and reasonable moderate lefter believes with an issue you care about, and without the editorial. I hate to put you on the defensive, but I honestly doubt you can. I doubt that many on the left really understand the moderate right well enough to do the same.

sek929 · Aug 20, 2009, 05:49 PM

Barney Frank's comment to that nutcase woman in South Dartmouth (town right near me) the other night was hilarious.

Shaddim · Aug 20, 2009, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

Why he was there =

So, you have an issue with his legal rights? Tell you what, maybe if Arizona sees that it's a problem they'll change the law. Otherwise, it's really none of our concern.

besson3c · Aug 20, 2009, 06:49 PM

Shaddim: we have every much of a legal right to go to those events without putting ourselves at risk as he does carrying this thing. All it takes is anybody in that large crowd to pull his weapon and open fire, or some other incident occurring from this sort of provocative action and demonstration. Why should his legal rights trump the rights of everybody around him? This is not a gun show, but an event that ought to be suitable for people of all ages. Would you want your kid anywhere near some deranged dude with a gun like that?

Chuckit · Aug 20, 2009, 07:38 PM

What evidence do you have of his derangement?

besson3c · Aug 20, 2009, 07:44 PM

Evidence? None. Probable cause? Plenty... it's not a terribly bright thing to do, and its also a very extreme thing to do with a lot of risk and a lot that can go horribly wrong.

Shaddim · Aug 20, 2009, 08:04 PM

It's legal, he was within his legal rights in Arizona. Also, no one was injured, unless you count the bitching, which likely irritated their throats. Suck it.

ironknee · Aug 20, 2009, 08:18 PM

just wondering, who owns a gun in here?

Big Mac · Aug 20, 2009, 08:45 PM

My family and I own several.

Shaddim · Aug 20, 2009, 08:50 PM

it's probably a better to ask, who doesn't?

ironknee · Aug 20, 2009, 09:09 PM

i don't have a gun

if you do, where do you bring them in public? if at all

restaurants? concerts? picnics? movies?

and why?

Shaddim · Aug 20, 2009, 09:44 PM

I have a CC permit, I carry a handgun just about anywhere that isn't restricted. Why? Because it makes me feel all manly and stuff.

ort888 · Aug 20, 2009, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Shaddim

It's legal, he was within his legal rights in Arizona. Also, no one was injured, unless you count the bitching, which likely irritated their throats. Suck it.

I also have a legal right to roll in around in poop, put on a clown wig and wear a shirt that says "I F___ little boys" to a park where lots of small children play. It doesn't mean it's a good idea or something a tasteful and reasonable member of society does.

CRASH HARDDRIVE · Aug 20, 2009, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Chongo

. It turns out the white guy with AR15 was black.
YouTube - MSNBC: Gun-Toting Protesters are 'White' Racists... Black Guy with AR-15 Edited to Conceal his Race.
YouTube - AR-15, Open Carry - [INTERVIEW]

Classic MSDNC trying to manufacture 'news' and stir up racial strife. You couldn't make this stuff up! Yellow 'journalism' is alive and well.

CRASH HARDDRIVE · Aug 20, 2009, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by ironknee

so this excuse about having guns is a defensive act is... a lie?

I dunno, try robbing the guy or breaking into his property and find out.

ironknee · Aug 20, 2009, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE

I dunno, try robbing the guy or breaking into his property and find out.

both examples you give says it's an offensive act to have a gun... what's your point?

CRASH HARDDRIVE · Aug 20, 2009, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by ironknee

both examples you give says it's an offensive act to have a gun... what's your point?

That doesn't make any sense, but then you rarely do.

You asked if people having guns was a defensive act. I don't know, is it? Go find out. Did you try to rob the guy? Assault him? Did you try breaking into his property? Harm any of his family? Go try to do so, and get back to us on how it goes.

ebuddy · Aug 20, 2009, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

I also have a legal right to roll in around in poop, put on a clown wig and wear a shirt that says "I F___ little boys" to a park where lots of small children play. It doesn't mean it's a good idea or something a tasteful and reasonable member of society does.

Seems we'd do well to arm little boys.

CRASH HARDDRIVE · Aug 21, 2009, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by ort888

I also have a legal right to roll in around in poop, put on a clown wig and wear a shirt that says "I F___ little boys" to a park where lots of small children play.

So at the next lefty moonbat rally, you'll fit right in.

Shaddim · Aug 21, 2009, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by ort888

I also have a legal right to roll in around in poop, put on a clown wig and wear a shirt that says "I F___ little boys" to a park where lots of small children play. It doesn't mean it's a good idea or something a tasteful and reasonable member of society does.

Go for it. It's your choice.

besson3c · Aug 21, 2009, 01:28 AM

Crash, can you make out what it says on the street sign behind him? I'm trying to figure out if this was in an English speaking country.

You have to admit though, Bush *did* do chicken dance.

ironknee · Aug 21, 2009, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE

That doesn't make any sense, but then you rarely do.

You asked if people having guns was a defensive act. I don't know, is it? Go find out. Did you try to rob the guy? Assault him? Did you try breaking into his property? Harm any of his family? Go try to do so, and get back to us on how it goes.

lol i misunderstood...

i guess one can say robbing someone and breaking into someone's property can be done with a gun as well... i mean why would you do that without a gun?

ort888 · Aug 21, 2009, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE

So at the next lefty moonbat rally, you'll fit right in.

I'll keep the clown wigs at my moonbat rallys and you can have the AR-15s at your moonbat rally. That sounds fine to me.

I prefer to have my loons unarmed.

CRASH HARDDRIVE · Aug 21, 2009, 11:21 AM

Your loons? Like:
Lee Harvey Oswald
Sirhan Sirhan
Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme
Sara Jane Moore
Samuel Byck
Robert Pickett

Lefty loons have a long and sordid history of aiming firearms at politicians they don't like, and in quite a few cases, pulling the trigger. So yeah, most of us prefer your loons unarmed too. In fact, you can start with the most Democratic sections of ANY major city in the US. (Here in LA, that would be Compton, with more Democrats per square inch than any other section of the state, and a murder rate to match.)

Lefty loons with guns indeed.

besson3c- I dunno about the chicken dance, but Bush definitely crow like a Rooter. (But then again, doesn't everyone crow like a Rooter now and then?)

olePigeon · 11:36 AM

I thought Lee Harvey Oswald was a conservative?
Sirhan Sirhan was a hardcore conservative.
I don't know anything about Samuel Byck other than he tried to kill Nixon. That doesn't make him a liberal.
Robert Pickett was mentally ill.

SpaceMonkey · Aug 21, 2009, 11:31 AM

I thought he was crazy?

Chongo · Aug 21, 2009, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by olePigeon

I thought Lee Harvey Oswald was a conservative?
Sirhan Sirhan was a hardcore conservative.
I don't know anything about Samuel Byck other than he tried to kill Nixon. That doesn't make him a liberal.
Robert Pickett was mentally ill.

Oswald "defected" to the USSR (where he met and married his wife Marina) and handed out pro Castro propaganda in New Orleans.

Sirhan Sirhan said he shot RFK because of his support for Israel in the Six Day War.

ort888 · Aug 21, 2009, 12:16 PM

So are trying to say that committing armed acts of violence is a liberal trait? I'm confused?

We could make a list twice as long as conservatives who did the same sort of thing. Seems to me that the only common trait is that they are loons.

andi*pandi · Aug 21, 2009, 12:59 PM

Jon Stewart made an interesting comparison last night.

Remember the folks who got kicked out of Bush speeches for wearing homemade anti-Bush shirts?

Yet it's ok to bring a gun to an Obama presidential speech.

Which is more threatening? You've got to be real cool to not let either bother you.

olePigeon · Aug 21, 2009, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Chongo

Oswald "defected" to the USSR (where he met and married his wife Marina) and handed out pro Castro propaganda in New Orleans.

Ah, OK.

Originally Posted by Chongo

Sirhan Sirhan said he shot RFK because of his support for Israel in the Six Day War.

Which would make him a conservative.

Chuckit · Aug 21, 2009, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by ironknee

both examples you give says it's an offensive act to have a gun... what's your point?

What? If you attack the guy and he uses a gun to fend you off, that's the definition of defense.

hyteckit · Aug 21, 2009, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

What? If you attack the guy and he uses a gun to fend you off, that's the definition of defense.

That's what I told the judge when I shot that pesky teenage kid who keeps coming to my yard and steal my peaches from my peach tree. Judge said I can't just shot a kid for throwing peaches at me. Damn you judge! That pesky kid had it coming for stealing my peaches. I was just defending my property, my precious peaches, and my pretty face from being disfigured by flying peaches.

Chuckit · Aug 21, 2009, 02:11 PM

Quit playing the fool.

hyteckit · Aug 21, 2009, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Quit playing the fool.

Stop calling gun owners who exercise their rights fools.

Can't have these kids stealing my peaches I work so hard to grow.