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itunes, why can�t you do that!!!
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i have 100gb mp3s hirachical organized in folders on my mac. so it should be logical that an mp3 app recognizes the folder/filenames, structure, and rebuild the same structure. but not itunes. ok, it�s an idealistic approach to do the organisation via id3 tags, but my collection is years old and apps like macamp weren�t that comfortable with id3. anybody has a workaround??? i don�t want to rename thousands of id3 tags!
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yeah, download ID3X and run your mp3s through it. If memory serves, there was an option to tag your mp3s according to their folder hierarchy
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I'm not quite sure what your question is. Are you wanting to rename all your Mp3's to match the ID3 tags? And then you want them organized in a certain folder structure? If so, then what I've been using to work on my collection is <a href="http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=9196&db=mac" target="_blank">ID3X</a>.
Features:
* easy, hassle-free editing
* reads ID3 versions 1.0, 1.1, 2.2 and 2.3
* writes ID3 versions 1.1 and 2.3
* add cover art to mp3 files and apply them as file and folder icons
* automatically lookup lyrics from the internet
* batch rename (supporting long filenames under OS X)
* batch tag by folder structure
* batch add and remove tags
* batch add and remove images (tag images, file and folder icons)
* batch fix track numbers
* batch sort to folder structure
* batch script
* displays information about music files
* supports Mpeg Layer II and Mpeg Layer III (mp3) music files
* update global information of many files at once
* includes the possibility to play your music files
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by hellmachine:
<strong>i have 100gb mp3s hirachical organized in folders on my mac.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Holy she-ought!!! 100GB?!? How many days is that?
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I've never used ID3X, but MP3 Rage seems to work good for me. Its seems to have moer options that I'll ever use.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Gankdawg:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by hellmachine:
<strong>i have 100gb mp3s hirachical organized in folders on my mac.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Holy she-ought!!! 100GB?!? How many days is that?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">About 65.5.
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sorry for the confusion. the last thing i want is to name every single file with id3 tags. it would be great to just drag the main music folder with all its subfolders onto itunes which then visualise the folder hierachy. but that doesn�t seem to work (soundjam exactly worked that way).
another missing thing are sub-playlists. with that it would be possible to imitate the folder structure of the finder.
anyway, some other tips to organize large mp3 collections with itunes out there?
btw. never tired id3x but sounds interesting...
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No solution on how to do it in iTunes, sorry, unless you set up a load of playlists and drag a folder into each one - but then you run into problems with subfolders. Alternatively, you can use a tagging program like Mp3Rage to mas-tag them all by hierarchy and then use iTunes 3's smart playlists to automatically subdivide them that way.
Or you could use Audion 3 <a href="http://www.panic.com/audion" target="_blank">(Link here)</a>, which can sort playlists using folders and subfolders... and is just a cool mp3 program anyway.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by hellmachine:
<strong>sorry for the confusion. the last thing i want is to name every single file with id3 tags. it would be great to just drag the main music folder with all its subfolders onto itunes which then visualise the folder hierachy. but that doesn�t seem to work (soundjam exactly worked that way).
another missing thing are sub-playlists. with that it would be possible to imitate the folder structure of the finder.
anyway, some other tips to organize large mp3 collections with itunes out there?
btw. never tired id3x but sounds interesting...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">What do you care once they are dropped onto iTunes?
I don't get it.
What is the difference between organising your files before you add them to iTunes to organising them once they are there.
It is far easier in iTunes, especially as iTunes gives you a search facility?
hmmff! some people are never satisfied.
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Apple apologist alert!
Good god.
Yes, they certainly SHOULD have this feature - and so should iPhoto!
WTF - I like to organize my mp3s in the finder - since the finder is what I need to do to organize all my downloaded files, etc.
Same with iPhoto - who's dumb a55 idea was it to make iPhoto 'copy' the photos in to bizarre subdirectories.
Yeah, that's nice
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Gankdawg:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by hellmachine:
<strong>i have 100gb mp3s hirachical organized in folders on my mac.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Holy she-ought!!! 100GB?!? How many days is that?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">That's about 3 iPod generations from now!! wow. What I wouldn't give to "take a look" at your collection.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by sambeau:
What do you care once they are dropped onto iTunes?
I don't get it.
What is the difference between organising your files before you add them to iTunes to organising them once they are there.
It is far easier in iTunes, especially as iTunes gives you a search facility?
hmmff! some people are never satisfied.]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">no id3, no glory. thats the principle of itunes. all the seach abilities ends soon without tags. i won�t even find an album, when there are tracknames only. that would be no problem when itunes recognizes the foldername which is named like "artist-album".
i use mp3 longer than i can remember. i have 120 gb actually. very specialised genre stuff. much is ripped from vinyl so there is no way but manually type the id3 info for every track. i think that apples approach to organize by id3 only is idealistic but in real life it seems unprofessional. to bad because itunes is all i need besides this major flaw...
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by phrenzy:
<strong>Apple apologist alert!
Good god.
Yes, they certainly SHOULD have this feature - and so should iPhoto!
WTF - I like to organize my mp3s in the finder - since the finder is what I need to do to organize all my downloaded files, etc.
Same with iPhoto - who's dumb a55 idea was it to make iPhoto 'copy' the photos in to bizarre subdirectories.
Yeah, that's nice</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">word!!! that�s how it should be! i started to feel misunderstanded
the idea of automatically creating an folder hierachy by the app is not bad, but the way it is created sucks. after importing mp3s to itunes you can�t even use the finder anymore because of the folder complexity. the finder should be the master, the app the slave. the coolest would be when itunes recognizes new additions in the finder and displays it inside itunes!
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by lebannen:
<strong>No solution on how to do it in iTunes, sorry, unless you set up a load of playlists and drag a folder into each one - but then you run into problems with subfolders. Alternatively, you can use a tagging program like Mp3Rage to mas-tag them all by hierarchy and then use iTunes 3's smart playlists to automatically subdivide them that way.
Or you could use Audion 3 <a href="http://www.panic.com/audion" target="_blank">(Link here)</a>, which can sort playlists using folders and subfolders... and is just a cool mp3 program anyway.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">yes, audion do it right. but buy a (btw. nice) mp3 software for a feature that was in soundjam already? to bad apple leaves that basic function behind... itunes mostly do all i need.
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ID3 is FAR better choice for the developers for many many reasons none of which I'll discuss. However, it seems there is some unclarity about our answers. What I said is that you can have ID3X automatically tag your mp3s for you according to the file hierarchy. Does that work for you or is there some principle about id3 tags for which you don't want to touch them period?
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I think this is a limitation of the finder rather than of iTunes. My 2000 odd tunes were a right mess in iTunes 2 - and now they are nicely organised. Though not that it mattered really as I could search and make playlists to copy or burn.
You have to bear in mind that iTunes has not been been built to expect an mp3 to turn up without and id3 info. The vast majority of music has at least some. We're supposed to burn our own cds for our own use. We're not supposed to be downlaoding random tracks anf sharing mp3's ;-)
I think that mp3'ing your vinyl (something I intend to do myself) is a pretty specialist kinda thing to do and as such another app is probably required to help you organise them. I will of course try to ensure I enter id3 tags as iTunes will be my usual method of delivery.
I'm not an Apple apologist - I just think that iTunes 3 is a gem of an app.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by lenz:
<strong>ID3 is FAR better choice for the developers for many many reasons none of which I'll discuss. However, it seems there is some unclarity about our answers. What I said is that you can have ID3X automatically tag your mp3s for you according to the file hierarchy. Does that work for you or is there some principle about id3 tags for which you don't want to touch them period?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">that sounds really interesting, but i will overwrite the existing id3s.
if not, that would be a cool workaround. but it misses apples straight forward mentality.
thanks for your tip nevertheless
in an ideal world id3 is the way to go. but every typo from someone posting his crap in some id3 webdatabase which then get applied by itunes destroys your mp3 organisation. at that happens to often. just think about foreign lyrics. they get f*cked up so much
apple should implement both ways. filesystem organisation and id3 like it is now.
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I'm not an Apple apologist - I just think that iTunes 3 is a gem of an app.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">thats what i think too
only thing missing is a filesystem like organisation
but that�s just me
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<strong>Apple apologist alert!
Good god.
Yes, they certainly SHOULD have this feature - and so should iPhoto!
WTF - I like to organize my mp3s in the finder - since the finder is what I need to do to organize all my downloaded files, etc.
Same with iPhoto - who's dumb a55 idea was it to make iPhoto 'copy' the photos in to bizarre subdirectories.
Yeah, that's nice</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">In fact, iPhoto organises the photos very logically.
I'll explain. In the iPhoto library folder:
1st folder is the year that the picture is created. Within folder is the month. Within that folder is the day.
~/Pictures/iPhoto Library/Year/Month/Day/
If someone could explain how this is "bizarre", i would happily listen.
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<strong>[QUOTE]Originally posted by phrenzy:
[qb]Apple apologist alert!
I'll explain. In the iPhoto library folder:
1st folder is the year that the picture is created. Within folder is the month. Within that folder is the day.
~/Pictures/iPhoto Library/Year/Month/Day/
If someone could explain how this is "bizarre", i would happily listen.
AJ</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">don�t want to kick of an iphoto flame thread because iphoto rules as does itunes. but for me they both have the same mistake. in iphoto its not so problematic for me.
but 4 folders for mostly one picture IS bizarre
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I also find this strange in iTunes, because I'm used to sorting things into folders myself. But what we are seeing here with both iTunes and iPhoto is a different abstraction of the data you're trying to play, which makes perfect sense for new users.
Unfortunately we're all regular users who have been using computers for so long that our mindset is that you create folders and put files into them to organise. We're used to the file system. The idea behind these two apps is to remove that barrier and just make it all about the photos and the music. Average users don't care what's going on in the background and just want to play their tunes and view their photos. And in many ways, from a UI standpoint, that's a very good way to write an application - abstract the underlying file system completely.
For more advanced users like us, we're expected to go and buy an application that does what we want, which may seem like a bummer, but Apple can't just go and wipe out the entire MP3 application and picture application in one swoop (iTunes etc are probably fine for 90% of people). Those markets need the other 10%. Just like the 10% who buy Final Cut Pro or Premier.
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Soon enough it will all just be metadata anyway, readable/writable by all apps. Folder hierarchies will just be two tags: parent and child. Then you could have iTunes dynamically arrange your folder hierarchy based on any combination you want and the Finder would display it that way immediately.
Pretty soon the Finder will be for FINDING files rather than slogging through the physical hierarchy of your drive. Folders will become Smart Folders analogous to Smart Playlists. You will be able to set rules for folders and have them be dynamically updated. That way you can have quick access to "This Week's Docs" and "Photoshop Files". In a simple way, this could be done now. They are bringing back folder actions in Jag. All they have to do is create a little Rules UI element accessible from the Finder window toolbar. All files already have information about their created/modified dates, creator, name associated with them. Simple rules could be created now even without a more flexible metadata filesystem. With a search window in the Finder toolbar, I don't think this can be far away.
I'm getting ahead of myself. I agree there should be more flexibility in the was iTunes and the Finder interact. I also think it is coming soon.
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<strong>I also find this strange in iTunes, because I'm used to sorting things into folders myself. But what we are seeing here with both iTunes and iPhoto is a different abstraction of the data you're trying to play, which makes perfect sense for new users.
Unfortunately we're all regular users who have been using computers for so long that our mindset is that you create folders and put files into them to organise. We're used to the file system. The idea behind these two apps is to remove that barrier and just make it all about the photos and the music. Average users don't care what's going on in the background and just want to play their tunes and view their photos. And in many ways, from a UI standpoint, that's a very good way to write an application - abstract the underlying file system completely.
For more advanced users like us, we're expected to go and buy an application that does what we want, which may seem like a bummer, but Apple can't just go and wipe out the entire MP3 application and picture application in one swoop (iTunes etc are probably fine for 90% of people). Those markets need the other 10%. Just like the 10% who buy Final Cut Pro or Premier.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">
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<strong>I also find this strange in iTunes, because I'm used to sorting things into folders myself. But what we are seeing here with both iTunes and iPhoto is a different abstraction of the data you're trying to play, which makes perfect sense for new users.
Unfortunately we're all regular users who have been using computers for so long that our mindset is that you create folders and put files into them to organise. We're used to the file system. The idea behind these two apps is to remove that barrier and just make it all about the photos and the music. Average users don't care what's going on in the background and just want to play their tunes and view their photos. And in many ways, from a UI standpoint, that's a very good way to write an application - abstract the underlying file system completely.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">well thought. i 100 % agree with you. as i said the intention of using id3 is idealistic and i have no problem with that way. the bad thing is:
id3 is a bad plattform and moving target to be the base of the one and only file organisation, because it depends on data from unknown users filling some databases in the web. the data often is faulty, like wrong artist/tracknames, typos, problems with special characters etc.
when the tracknumber is wrong the whole album is f*cked up. u have to maually work it out.
for iphoto it is okay this way. it relies on data created by the camera and which should be correct. so it is a small rethinking but its worth it. i�m interested in some workaround like the one i heard here. to write the folder hirachy via id3 in the mp3 track by id3x. i wonder in which id3 fields this info get written? i don�t want to override existent id3 info ?!
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Ummm people, iTunes does have such a feature its called consolidate Music library. Normally it does it the other way aroudn that it uses the tags to arrange them by folder, but it can do it the other way as well, all you have to do is set the directory with you music in it to be your music library then quit and launch iTunes it should start correcting the mp3 tags to match the artists on the folders and the song name to be the file name. if thats how you set your mp3s up. Otherwise it'll just make the folder the artist and the filename the song name. It works pretty well. Then it keeps your mp3s arragned properly when you edit the ID3 tags.
Its one of those little known iTunes features that nobody uses and justs assumes isn't there.
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<strong>Ummm people, iTunes does have such a feature its called consolidate Music library. Normally it does it the other way aroudn that it uses the tags to arrange them by folder, but it can do it the other way as well, all you have to do is set the directory with you music in it to be your music library then quit and launch iTunes it should start correcting the mp3 tags to match the artists on the folders and the song name to be the file name. if thats how you set your mp3s up. Otherwise it'll just make the folder the artist and the filename the song name. It works pretty well. Then it keeps your mp3s arragned properly when you edit the ID3 tags.
Its one of those little known iTunes features that nobody uses and justs assumes isn't there.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">man! that�s what i�m looking for! if it work
will fiddle aroud with that. great suggestion!
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<strong>Ummm people, iTunes does have such a feature its called consolidate Music library. Normally it does it the other way aroudn that it uses the tags to arrange them by folder, but it can do it the other way as well, all you have to do is set the directory with you music in it to be your music library then quit and launch iTunes it should start correcting the mp3 tags to match the artists on the folders and the song name to be the file name. if thats how you set your mp3s up. Otherwise it'll just make the folder the artist and the filename the song name. It works pretty well. Then it keeps your mp3s arragned properly when you edit the ID3 tags.
Its one of those little known iTunes features that nobody uses and justs assumes isn't there.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">tried it now, but don�t seem to work. another problem is that i have all files on two drives. will aliases work?
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