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sniffer · May 27, 2002, 07:34 AM

Man, I am soo curious about how Jag is performing with the "older" rage 128 mob ibooks.. So I just wonder, for you wich actually have tried jag builts on ibooks w/rage 128 mob 600 mhz, what's your impression so far with it?

[ 05-27-2002, 08:18 AM: Message edited by: sniffer ]

CheesePuff · May 27, 2002, 10:27 AM

Feels like OS X 10.1.

pat++ · May 28, 2002, 05:07 PM

Jaguar is *MUCH* slower on my 500Mhz iBook. For those who did not try yet, turn magnification on in the Dock and compare 10.1 with Jaguar : 10.1 is 1000 times smoother/faster. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

Duo · May 28, 2002, 07:31 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by pat++:
Jaguar is *MUCH* slower on my 500Mhz iBook. For those who did not try yet, turn magnification on in the Dock and compare 10.1 with Jaguar : 10.1 is 1000 times smoother/faster.

<hr /></blockquote>Thats what I fear. My friend said 10.2 ran much better then 10.1 on his 500 pismo, but it has a faster bus. I hope that when 10.2 comes out it will run better then 10.1. IMHO 10.1 runs well on my 500.

Duo

Carl Norum · May 29, 2002, 12:01 AM

I haven't noticed much about speed differences when I've been using Jaguar. I'm not supposed to talk about specifics according to the NDA, but it is pretty crashy right now. I play with Jaguar for a couple of hours here and there, but then the "weird stuff" starts going on and I switch back to the 10.1 partition.

I have an iPod on order, so when it shows up I will put Jaguar on there and I'll be more inclined to seriously mess around.

Carl Norum · May 29, 2002, 12:01 AM

I haven't noticed much about speed differences when I've been using Jaguar. I'm not supposed to talk about specifics according to the NDA, but it is pretty crashy right now. I play with Jaguar for a couple of hours here and there, but then the "weird stuff" starts going on and I switch back to the 10.1 partition.

I have an iPod on order, so when it shows up I will put Jaguar on there and I'll be more inclined to seriously mess around.

sniffer · May 29, 2002, 02:17 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Carl Norum:
I have an iPod on order, so when it shows up I will put Jaguar on there and I'll be more inclined to seriously mess around.<hr /></blockquote>Wow! I wasn't aware that you could actually use ipod as a boot disk. Now that's something! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Carl Norum · May 29, 2002, 11:34 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by sniffer:
Wow! I wasn't aware that you could actually use ipod as a boot disk. Now that's something!<hr /></blockquote>Well, it really is just a FireWire disk with some fancy add-ons. A lot of guys at WWDC had jaguar on their iPods the day after we got it handed to us.

cmoney · May 30, 2002, 02:12 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Duo:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by pat++:
Jaguar is *MUCH* slower on my 500Mhz iBook. For those who did not try yet, turn magnification on in the Dock and compare 10.1 with Jaguar : 10.1 is 1000 times smoother/faster.

<hr /></blockquote>Thats what I fear. My friend said 10.2 ran much better then 10.1 on his 500 pismo, but it has a faster bus. I hope that when 10.2 comes out it will run better then 10.1. IMHO 10.1 runs well on my 500.

Duo<hr /></blockquote>Without revealing too much (under NDA) on my iBook 500, I'm very pleasantly surprised at the performance in Jaguar! I'm now able to run at millions of colors and it kicks my Cube 450's butt (though that system runs at 1600x1200 resolution)! Things are REALLY smooth!

I installed it on an external FW drive so I'll hook that baby up to a few computers tomorrow just to see how well 10.2 (or maybe 10.5?!) runs on various flavors of Macs.

With my ADC membership, I've got one Hardware Discount that expires in June. Before today, I was set to get the fastest Mac PowerBook I could, but now, even my current hardware may be good enough!

Last tidbits: Flash files are incredibly fast now. I can run Netscape 7PR1 very comfortably, whereas in 10.1 it got to be too much of a drag. Overall, I'd say Jaguar will bring us to 90% of the performance we had in OS 9 for some things, and 120% for many others! I'm so happy!

(whoops, there goes not revealing too much)

sniffer · May 30, 2002, 02:42 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />
I installed it on an external FW drive so I'll hook that baby up to a few computers tomorrow just to see how well 10.2 (or maybe 10.5?!) runs on various flavors of Macs.<hr /></blockquote>Hope you get the time to drop a few lines about the result here after you have tryed that.. (I am curious) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

<blockquote>quote:<hr />
Overall, I'd say Jaguar will bring us to 90% of the performance we had in OS 9 for some things, and 120% for many others! I'm so happy!<hr /></blockquote>If that's what you found after trying it on your 500, things might not look so bad after all. Cool!

Althought experiences with trying jag builts seems to vary a bit.. <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" /> But then again not all testers are ADC members either..

[ 05-30-2002, 02:49 AM: Message edited by: sniffer ]

cmoney · May 30, 2002, 12:30 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by sniffer:

<blockquote>quote:<hr />
Overall, I'd say Jaguar will bring us to 90% of the performance we had in OS 9 for some things, and 120% for many others! I'm so happy!<hr /></blockquote>If that's what you found after trying it on your 500, things might not look so bad after all. Cool!

Althought experiences with trying jag builts seems to vary a bit.. <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" /> But then again not all testers are ADC members either..

[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>I always say that perception of GUI performance is very subjective. Saying "fast enough" is really saying "fast enough for me" so take what I say with a grain of salt...YMMV.

For some things like scrolling through PDFs, it's pretty close to OS 9 performance. For other things, like Flash files in a web browser, wow, much faster than anything under OS 9. Photoshop 7 GUI performance is also improved (P7 on OS X was already pretty good, much better than Illustrator performance). And some OS X things like live resizing of Finder windows are still the same. Overall, people should be pleased with this update, Quartz Extreme or not.

[ 05-30-2002, 12:35 PM: Message edited by: cmoney ]

sniffer · May 31, 2002, 02:40 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by cmoney:
[QBFor some things like scrolling through PDFs, it's pretty close to OS 9 performance.[/QB]<hr /></blockquote><img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
That's improvment..