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sniffer · Oct 27, 2003, 06:01 AM

You can find them here:
http://www.winbeta.org/winbeta/forum...showtopic=1036

BTW: It's interesting to see how open minded the crowd at winbeta appears to be about pirating.

Xeo · Oct 27, 2003, 06:13 AM

Thanks for the link.

kovacs · Oct 27, 2003, 06:17 AM

The IE screenshot says it all, some buttons are huge while other more important functions get a tiny icon, however it's way too early say anything meaningful about longhorn or it's GUI...

philzilla · Oct 27, 2003, 06:23 AM

is it just me, or is that mess using the same colour scheme as Panther's welcome screen?

Xeo · Oct 27, 2003, 06:31 AM

Originally posted by philzilla:
is it just me, or is that mess using the same colour scheme as Panther's welcome screen?

I thought the exact same thing. Going black must be in now.

philzilla · Oct 27, 2003, 06:34 AM

Originally posted by Xeo:
Going black must be in now.

let's see how Michael Jackson deals with this new trend, eh?

icruise · Oct 27, 2003, 06:42 AM

Oh my god. It's hideous. Kind of makes my concerns about brushed metal or the slight change to the finder face icon seem unimportant.

Misanthrope · Oct 27, 2003, 06:47 AM

I like it.

- - e r i k - - · Oct 27, 2003, 06:48 AM

Good to see that they are going nowhere fast

My god that browser

My eyes! My eyes!

forkies · Oct 27, 2003, 06:53 AM

windows makes my head hurt

http://www.winbeta.org/winbeta/eleme...tup.Screen.jpg
"Perform additional tasks" implies I'll be doing the first as well...

http://www.winbeta.org/winbeta/eleme...roduct.Key.jpg
The numbering on the example could be seen as being comprised of 41 digits...

http://www.winbeta.org/winbeta/eleme...stallation.jpg
What is the relation between 1) the computer&monitor icon to "express upgrade" and 2) the windows logo&refresh arrow to "clean installation"?...

http://www.winbeta.org/winbeta/eleme...DC-Desktop.gif
interesting theme called "slate," more interestingly inspired by brushed metal (beautiful gradient btw)...

http://www.winbeta.org/winbeta/eleme...ktop.Clock.gif
the clock icon is nice, though i think that's because it has the whole new aqua-rounded button thing going on...

http://www.winbeta.org/winbeta/eleme...PDC-Winver.gif
omg who measures their computer's ram in KB???...

ugh...

Misanthrope · Oct 27, 2003, 06:58 AM

HEY GUYS THIS OS SUCKS IT'S A BETA I KNOW BUT IT SUCKS I MEAN REALLY IT'S GOING TO FAIL WHEN IT LAUNCHES IN TWO YEARS BECAUSE IT JUST SUCKS EVEN THOUGH IT'S A BETA I MEAN IT SUCKS YEA IT SUCKS

- - e r i k - - · Oct 27, 2003, 07:00 AM

It's two years until release. It's a beta. It's windows. Of course it sucks.

We can still laugh at their blind UI-designers fumbling through dark with dull crayons. Pfft.

Xeo · Oct 27, 2003, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by Misanthrope:
HEY GUYS THIS OS SUCKS IT'S A BETA I KNOW BUT IT SUCKS I MEAN REALLY IT'S GOING TO FAIL WHEN IT LAUNCHES IN TWO YEARS BECAUSE IT JUST SUCKS EVEN THOUGH IT'S A BETA I MEAN IT SUCKS YEA IT SUCKS

Hey! We agree on something!

Misanthrope · Oct 27, 2003, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by Xeo:
Hey! We agree on something!

letz be efriends?? plz??/

Link · Oct 27, 2003, 07:18 AM

At first I was impressed.

Then I sat and looked at it and started thinking, ya know.. they should mess with this..

first make that titlebar smaller, second fix IE because it looks like a mess the buttons the way they are, then, you change those widgets, they are ugly and don't fit with the new theme.

Perhaps in the theme itself make the window background a bit deeper and less pinkish, then make the dialog buttons smoother.

But then I thought, only after looking at it again..

of ALL the attempts MS has had at making a GUI, this is the tackiest and lousiest of them all. I mean, they had it with the windows 98 GUI, simple and to the point, the original xp one (think watermark or whatever) was AWESOME, and they REALLY should have stuck to that.

But did they? NO! They had to make it ugly.

This is bad, the orange/blue fade is awful, good god who taught these people how to make a GUI?

Oh and the default background.. is.. very depressing. Not to mention the taskbar is nothing new. KDE has been using a dock now for years, why doesn't microsoft admit they were stupid and join the club?

Jens Peter · Oct 27, 2003, 07:18 AM

Come on, to me it just look like someone spend a day using photoshop...
Why would they write "... Microsoft Windows Code Name "Longhorn". " instead of "M$ Windown Longhorn"? That just seems way too stupid.

But hey, it would not be the first time, that company have made somthing stupid...

Jens Peter

Moderator · Oct 27, 2003, 09:09 AM

I don't know..visually it didn't seem much worse than say...pinstribes, bubbly blue scroll bars, and brushed metal..since when is that combination refined?

Link · Oct 27, 2003, 09:50 AM

Moderator: I dunno about you, but panther is rather decently done. The grey surface is a nice textured metal, the usual is plain, but NOT TOO plain (lines are nice I think) <-- took time to get used to

While I think the colors on the widgets in OS X should be just a tad different shade, otherwise I have no complaints. It's simple, clean, and.. works. Sure grey or blue scrollbars might look noisy but it FITS, most of all it looks gracefuland clean, unlike those funky things in windows.

The word here is SLICK.OS X and graphite are VERY slick, OS X and blue is rather slick. Windows is the equivilent of a 1999 honda civic compared to a mclaren F1 in terms of design.

icruise · Oct 27, 2003, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Misanthrope:
HEY GUYS THIS OS SUCKS IT'S A BETA I KNOW BUT IT SUCKS I MEAN REALLY IT'S GOING TO FAIL WHEN IT LAUNCHES IN TWO YEARS BECAUSE IT JUST SUCKS EVEN THOUGH IT'S A BETA I MEAN IT SUCKS YEA IT SUCKS

If this wasn't the same company that came up with the terrible blue for the standard windows theme, I might be inclined to agree. But I don't have much confidence that this is just some midway point that will be completely reworked. Take a look at the explorer window.

http://www.winbeta.org/winbeta/eleme...t.Explorer.gif

No version of the Mac OS (beta or otherwise) ever looked like that. It's a mess of clashing icon sizes, placement and colors.

Agasthya · Oct 27, 2003, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by forkies:
http://www.winbeta.org/winbeta/eleme...PDC-Winver.gif
omg who measures their computer's ram in KB???...

Bigger numbers

- - e r i k - - · Oct 27, 2003, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by Agasthya:
Bigger numbers

I measure my RAM in GB. I must have a small penis.

mishap · Oct 27, 2003, 11:18 AM

who the hell exports screenshots as gif files. (ot, sorry)

bobette · Oct 27, 2003, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Misanthrope:
HEY GUYS THIS OS SUCKS

oh yes it does...

IT'S A BETA I KNOW

no excuse, it sucks butt, it does, yes...

BUT IT SUCKS I MEAN REALLY

oh no, I know you're not pulling my chain, it does, agreed...

IT'S GOING TO FAIL WHEN IT LAUNCHES IN TWO YEARS BECAUSE IT JUST SUCK

I have to disagree with you on that one, they're gonna make trillions of bucket'o'cash cuz people are gullible and they don't know better.

EVEN THOUGH IT'S A BETA

oh, that's no excuse... more tea?

I MEAN IT SUCKS

aah yes, sucks, ooh, yeahh...

IT SUCKS

does it? hmmm...*looks at screenshots* man, does it ever!!!

benb · Oct 27, 2003, 11:30 AM

I want that torrent.

bobette · Oct 27, 2003, 11:44 AM

Da Texas Longhorn. Nice interface.

sniffer · Oct 27, 2003, 12:05 PM

MS Longhorn eXPerience.

bobette · Oct 27, 2003, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by sniffer:

MS Longhorn eXPerience.

Yeeeeeehaaaawwwww... prepare to crash Dude!

Zimphire · Oct 27, 2003, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by Misanthrope:
letz be efriends?? plz??/

Two timer.

mitchell_pgh · Oct 27, 2003, 12:42 PM

Longhorn will launch, people will be lined up to buy it... they will install it, and fall in love with it...

The difference between Mac users and Windows users is that Mac users constantly question the OS, it's applications and GUI. Windows users don't.

CASE and POINT: I went to my friends house with my Cannon S400. I took some cool bar shots and wanted to download them to his computer. He has USB so I plugged my camera in. I got a driver window or something. After 10 or so minutes of f@#$ing around and downloading a drivers from Cannon, the thing still didn't work. He gave up, and blamed Cannon for not having good drivers.

I blamed M$ and his computer manufacturer.

Apple can't play the blame game because they make the whole widget.

nobitacu · Oct 27, 2003, 12:57 PM

Can someone repost the pictures? the link died... I want to see what the laughing is all about.

MIng

Millennium · Oct 27, 2003, 12:59 PM

The screenshots appear to be down now. Playtime is over, I'm afraid.

nobitacu · Oct 27, 2003, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
The screenshots appear to be down now. Playtime is over, I'm afraid.

Zimphire · Oct 27, 2003, 01:18 PM

I kept this one.

Mediaman_12 · Oct 27, 2003, 01:19 PM

Someone over at NeoWin has done a XP theme based on the leaked Longhorn 'slate' look. I put it on my PC here. What it really it reminds me of is the old 'Pro' theme that Apple came up with for Copland.

nobitacu · Oct 27, 2003, 01:57 PM

Thanks for the pic. But it looks almost just like the xp itself... which sucks ass.

Ming

sniffer · Oct 27, 2003, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
The screenshots appear to be down now. Playtime is over, I'm afraid.

Different pictures, but the same stuff basically.
Go to:
http://www.neowin.net/

Not a pretty sight..

bobette · Oct 27, 2003, 02:01 PM

man, that plastic bevel sh!tlook is so 1999...

Spliffdaddy · Oct 27, 2003, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Moderator:
I don't know..visually it didn't seem much worse than say...pinstribes, bubbly blue scroll bars, and brushed metal..since when is that combination refined?

*high-five*

Link · Oct 27, 2003, 02:42 PM

Ya know, windows longhorn's GUI reminds me of what happens to your voice when you go through puberty...

Really tho. I showed people screencaps of that and they -WANTED- it, scary thing was they WANTED it a LOT.

I don't get it. Glossy black with smooth black (plasticky start button), with slick white and black but yet colors everywhere (is it going to be monochrome or bright color?) And boy this just goes on and on and on. It's like they're trying to do what apple did with the graphite theme but they can't make up their mind whether they want graphite or aqua.

Beta? Yes. They'll probably read our forums and decide on some uglier theme before the OS ever hits the market.

The sad thing is when the whole thing lands on the table:

People accept MS, people like MS, and people think MS started, and will end, the computer world.

That said, this OS won't be released for another 2 years. Panther ALREADY gives it's 'advertised hype' a run for the money if you ask me. Unless apple pulls an 'apple' then the OS 2 years from now SHOULD blow the new longhorn out of the water.

Then again it IS microsoft marketing. Knowing them it will get people to love MS

sniffer · 03:07 PM

..never mind..

bobette · 03:31 PM

Originally posted by Link:
People accept MS, people like MS, and people think MS started, and will end, the computer world.

They love M$ cuz it makes money, and whatever makes $ must be trustworthy, no? In the eyes of the flock, you go with the flow.

They don't care about brushed metal and swish effects and wavey menu bars, and such finer details of life (or even a stable OS for that matter). They care about $$$ and success and if they felt Steve-O Ballmer (gaaah) is trustworthy, hell they could even elect him prez.

Isn't that what happened to Arny Schwartz-a-weeny? The guy's got the intellect of a frozen frog in mid-january Manitoba! But he's got $$$ and pays 100k a year a guy to spitshine his f*ckin' hubcaps. So he represents power and we won't worry cuz he got big muscles and he kicked the crap outta mean robots in movies... I present to you: the power of pop-culture.

Wait till the next IE for Winblows comes out and users'll need to confirm (via pop up windows) they actually do want to load embedded stuff (such as flash movies) from the sites they're visiting. They'll suffer.

Praise the Lord for Safari, that's for sure.

Actually, Apple should develop more "teaser" software for Winblows, just like iTunes... maybe Safari?

bobette · Oct 27, 2003, 03:26 PM

Aack! double-post.

RooneyX · Oct 27, 2003, 03:33 PM

Windows is dud. But most people are dud so most people will continue to use Windows even when Longyawn comes out.

That's it! LONGYAWN!

- - e r i k - - · Oct 27, 2003, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by RooneyX:
Windows is dud. But most people are dud so most people will continue to use Windows even when Longyawn comes out.

That's it! LONGYAWN!

Sorry. It's Longtooth.

nobitacu · Oct 27, 2003, 04:49 PM

Blah... I still would rather have 10.5 than. Longhorn will still be beind OS X when it comes to features.

Ming

xylon · Oct 27, 2003, 05:04 PM

I like the desktop picture... (runs for cover)

bobette · Oct 27, 2003, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by xylon:
I like the desktop picture... (runs for cover)

It's nice actually... Praise the photographer, whoever he is, lost in M$ anonyma...

kmkkid · Oct 27, 2003, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by Link:

of ALL the attempts MS has had at making a GUI, this is the tackiest and lousiest of them all. I mean, they had it with the windows 98 GUI, simple and to the point, the original xp one (think watermark or whatever) was AWESOME, and they REALLY should have stuck to that.

It's called "watercolor"

And that is the theme they should use with longhorn. Professional, Stylish, and not too flashy.

Chris

olePigeon · Oct 27, 2003, 06:21 PM

I wonder if Apple would have had a problem with the Mac OS 8 scroll bars and other widgets in XP/Longhorn if they were still supporting Classic?

Pretty soon we'll have Mac OS X 12.6 and Windows will look like Mac OS 8 and claiming to have conquered innovation.

Originally posted by kmkkid:
It's called "watercolor"

And that is the theme they should use with longhorn. Professional, Stylish, and not too flashy.

Chris

Brien · Oct 27, 2003, 06:37 PM

They keep changing the friggin GUI for Longhorn.