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Why America is on the decline . . . .
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Jul 14, 2008, 10:30 PM
 
There is no way that kids growing up today will develop into normal people if they are listening to this crap:



And before you post the timeline, his followup single "Get Silly" is climbing up the charts fast. It is even worst than his first one, whatever it was called.

You think things are bad now, just wait until all the little degenerates that were raised on "Get Silly" come of age. They will be even more dysfunctional than their baby boomer grandparents who were weaned on garbage like the Beatles Anthology, which sadly sounds like Mozart in comparison to today.

Yes, back in the day they had real heros--Astronauts, and hard rockers like Ozzy. These hip hop clowns are nothing in comparison, and are endemic of the degeneration of Western culture. I, for one, will welcome our new Eastern overlords.
     
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Jul 14, 2008, 10:50 PM
 
What do the words in this guy's songs entail? I'm not up on my hip hop, so I honestly don't know... Or, does the overall quality of his music simply stand out as being particularly poor?
     
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Jul 14, 2008, 11:00 PM
 
You forgot to mention those evil liberals in this post, Kerrigan. You're slipping.
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Jul 14, 2008, 11:29 PM
 
Amazingly enough, it was only yesterday that I was hanging out with some friends in New Haven and, in an attempt to find some music to test the fun and various new iPhone apps that identify music we flipped to MTV. 'Get Silly' was on (besson: just imagine the worst and most inane possible song thta could be entitle 'Get Silly' and you'll basically have the right idea).

I wish I could remember the exact words we used, but the sentement was exactly that in the title of this post.
     
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This is what your parents said about Metallica, and what their parents said about Elvis, as their parents said about Louie Armstrong. When they're old enough to have teenagers, this guy's fans will be dercrying the fall of civilization as evidenced by that horrid noise their children are listening to. It's a timeless tradition.

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wait -- I thought we were on the decline because we are having a Mental Recession, and are a nation of whiners.

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Jul 15, 2008, 12:29 AM
 
I read recently about a Mesopotamian cuneiform tablet, one of the oldest surviving pieces of writing. Its author was bemoaning that the youth of "today" were not as diligent with their schoolwork or as polite as they used to be.

Confucius complained about the same thing.
     
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The bigger question is: Why is the OP listening to Soulja Boy? Lol@him.

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Jul 15, 2008, 01:01 AM
 
I blame those hypocritical, wacky, mentally retarded, communist libbies.

Oh and black/white holes.

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Originally Posted by Tiresias View Post
I read recently about a Mesopotamian cuneiform tablet, one of the oldest surviving pieces of writing. Its author was bemoaning that the youth of "today" were not as diligent with their schoolwork or as polite as they used to be.

Confucius complained about the same thing.
Hah, sad thing is they are all right. Each generation seems to be more worse off than the last. I've seen the movie Idiocracy. {Cringe}

Honestly though, after looking at some of my cousin's and his friends' Myspace pages, I'm very afraid for the future of the world.
     
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Originally Posted by Kerrigan View Post
I, for one, will welcome our new Eastern overlords.
Yeah, because this is going to produce world-class rocket scientists.
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Originally Posted by Lava Lamp Freak View Post
Hah, sad thing is they are all right. Each generation seems to be more worse off than the last. I've seen the movie Idiocracy. {Cringe}

Honestly though, after looking at some of my cousin's and his friends' Myspace pages, I'm very afraid for the future of the world.
Same could be said of YouTube comments. But most of these fellows are not the prize cretins they appear to be, they are just young. Isn't everyone a noob in high school? Youth are stupid insofar as they have no life experience. Go check out their MySpace pages after they've gotten a university education or had some more life experience. You may be pleasantly surprised? Let's hope so.
     
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Jul 15, 2008, 01:51 AM
 
Originally Posted by Tiresias View Post
Same could be said of YouTube comments. But most of these fellows are not the prize cretins they appear to be, they are just young. Isn't everyone a noob in high school? Youth are stupid insofar as they have no life experience. Go check out their MySpace pages after they've gotten a university education or had some more life experience. You may be pleasantly surprised? Let's hope so.
With the University education comes the eradication of your MySpace page for the most part.
     
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Originally Posted by King Bob On The Cob View Post
With the University education comes the eradication of your MySpace page for the most part.
You may be right. I don't really know much about MySpace. I may be the only person in the developed world who doesn't use social networking sites.
     
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Originally Posted by Tiresias View Post
I may be the only person in the developed world who doesn't use social networking sites.
MaccNN lounge counts, imo.

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Jul 15, 2008, 05:13 AM
 
Here's his cell number:

678-999-8212

You can phone him and tell him he's crap.
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Originally Posted by chris v View Post
This is what your parents said about Metallica, and what their parents said about Elvis, as their parents said about Louie Armstrong. When they're old enough to have teenagers, this guy's fans will be dercrying the fall of civilization as evidenced by that horrid noise their children are listening to. It's a timeless tradition.
I think you pretty much nailed it.

Things are also exaggerated today, because every Joe Blow Jr. has the ability to broadcast their indulgences to the entire world.

No doubt that given a medium like the Internet, youth culture of past generations spewing out all its unfettered, uncensored crap would have been equally inane. Probably more so.

The mythical time when people were ever anything other than people is just that- a mythical time.

Today, much of our culture admires wanksters and dippy wanna-be thugs.

In the past, people admired real gangsters, and real thugs.
     
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Jul 15, 2008, 07:07 AM
 
Originally Posted by Randman View Post

Judging by that picture I think we can safely say that teenagers were older back in the day.
     
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Let's face it - at any given time 98% of humanity has always been gibbering monkeys and we all swing from the framework the other 2% creates.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
Judging by that picture I think we can safely say that teenagers were older back in the day.
When I saw it, I thought maybe that was a milf teacher who was having sex with a 17-year-old student who was steering the cycle.

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Jul 15, 2008, 08:34 AM
 
The girl on the back of the motorcycle is Jan Smithers, who played Bailey Quarters on WKRP in Cincinnati. SHE used to hang around with Johnny Fever!
     
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Yup. I was originally going to write "gee, that looks like your mom".
     
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Holy ****! That is Bailey. I didn't recognize her without the glasses.

Edit: and she was only seventeen.
     
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Wtf.

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I'd pay to see how "SoulJa Boy" does if they actually put him in a war.
     
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Jul 15, 2008, 11:54 AM
 
Rap music is bad for your kids, now there's an original thought.
Considering that my grandparents were complaining about Jazz and the Beatles. Probably their parents have been bitching about Swing. Or whatever came before that
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Jul 15, 2008, 12:25 PM
 
Eh, mainstream music always sucks ass, no matter what the genre is.

The only solace you can get is from knowing clowns like Solja Boy won't even be popular as early as next year, and eventually those that listen to him will acquire a better taste in music.

Remember Beyonce? 50 Cent? X-tina and Spears? What the hell have they done lately?

They'll all be damned to a life of having one of their tracks appear on "Now That's What I Call Music" Volume 150.
     
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Get the hell off my lawn!
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Originally Posted by sek929 View Post
Eh, mainstream music always sucks ass, no matter what the genre is.

The only solace you can get is from knowing clowns like Solja Boy won't even be popular as early as next year, and eventually those that listen to him will acquire a better taste in music.

Remember Beyonce? 50 Cent? X-tina and Spears? What the hell have they done lately?

They'll all be damned to a life of having one of their tracks appear on "Now That's What I Call Music" Volume 150.
Xtina put out a pretty successful album and accompanying tour in 2006, took time off to have a baby, and is now recording again. Beyonce's been singing and acting and doing whatever she wants because she's completely rich and has an even richer boyfriend. Britney Spears went completely nuts.
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From A Demon-Haunted World by Carl Sagan:

Every generation worries that educational standards are decaying. One of the oldest short essays in human history, dating from Sumer some 4,000 years ago, laments that the young are disastrously more ignorant than the generation immediately preceding. Twenty-four hundred years ago, the aging and grumpy Plato, in Book VII of the Laws, gave his definition of scientific illiteracy:

Who is unable to count one, two, three, or to distinguish odd from even numbers, or is unable to count at all, or reckon night and day, and who is totally unacquainted with the revolution of the Sun and Moon, and the other stars... All freemen, I conceive, should learn as much of these branches of knowledge as every child in Egypt is taught when he learns the alphabet. In that country arithmetical games have been invented for the use of mere children, which they learn as pleasure and amusement... I... have late in life heard with amazement of our ignorance in these matters; to me we appear to be more like pigs than men, and I am quite ashamed, not only for myself, but of all Greeks.
     
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Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
Rap music is bad for your kids, now there's an original thought.
Considering that my grandparents were complaining about Jazz and the Beatles. Probably their parents have been bitching about Swing. Or whatever came before that
It may not be an original thought, but there is something about much of rap that's different, and that difference makes is not "bad" the way swing was, but "bad" as in "encouraging antisocial behavior." Swing music never encouraged people to "cap" each other over turf, rock 'n roll never encouraged sexism to the amazing extent much of rap does, and even the most psychedelic of psychedelic music never encouraged a drug culture the way rap often does. The lyrics DO matter; the ear may only notice the beat and rhythm, but the mind actually hears the words and processes them. And the words in much of rap are words encouraging a social system that is entirely antisocial.

Earlier generations complaints about kids' music were about what was "suggested" by the music or lyrics. Rap doesn't suggest anything; it's blatant.

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There's been a lot of fatal stabbings in London of late. The government, as usual, blames the rich (literally "the kids are stabbing each other because they're poor and without opportunity"). Just last week I said to someone "I'll bet those dudes doing the stabbing aren't listening to S Club 7".
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Originally Posted by ghporter View Post
rock 'n roll never encouraged sexism to the amazing extent much of rap does
Hmm, how do you explain that young people tend to be the most tolerant? It is generally old fogies who support discrimination against gay couples, for example. I expect the same is broadly true for sexism and racism. Rap may have a negative influence, but I think it is more than cancelled out by positive influences.
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Originally Posted by Randman View Post
The bigger question is: Why is the OP listening to Soulja Boy? Lol@him.
Yea, lol@me for partying a lot and dancing with the slu.. I mean, girls who like this kind of music. Clearly I'm the loser here

Some things --yes, even Souljah Boy-- must be endured for the sake of sociability.
     
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I guess I'm in the minority here. I for one could easily tolerate a song or ten about the slow roasting of babies AND the consumption of their tender flesh. Crap like this just makes me sad. Sad and hungry.

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Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
Rap music is bad for your kids, now there's an original thought.
Considering that my grandparents were complaining about Jazz and the Beatles. Probably their parents have been bitching about Swing. Or whatever came before that
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Originally Posted by tie View Post
Hmm, how do you explain that young people tend to be the most tolerant? It is generally old fogies who support discrimination against gay couples, for example. I expect the same is broadly true for sexism and racism.
Not really. It depends entirely on the group of 'young people' or 'old fogies' for any of the above brash generalizations to be true, or to be the complete opposite.
     
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I think the decline in the USA is mostly economical.
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Originally Posted by Kerrigan View Post
Yea, lol@me for partying a lot and dancing with the slu.. I mean, girls who like this kind of music. Clearly I'm the loser here

Some things --yes, even Souljah Boy-- must be endured for the sake of sociability.
Moral relativism, know thyself.

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I don't like hip hop or rap at all.

I do have to give the genre a ton of credit for destroying an old racial stereotype…

…the one that says "black people are musical".
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Turns out, computers have rhythm out the @ss.

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I listen to Eminem, Mobb Deep, The Wu every now and then. It's good story-telling, it's lyrically driven, it's energetic, and kinda cathartic. But yes, it's very limited in its range and point of view.
     
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Originally Posted by chris v View Post
Turns out, computers have rhythm out the @ss.
True. My computer simultaneously maintains two beats each at 2.4 billion bps.
     
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Actually this is the real reason:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsiADdmoh3E
     
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES View Post
Actually this is the real reason:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsiADdmoh3E
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Originally Posted by Uncle Doof View Post
Don't talk shite. Our esteemed leaders (including whichever prat you guys voted in up there in Canuckistan) only do what they're told by TPTB.
By the sounds of that you are proud to be a C student also.
     
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES View Post
By the sounds of that you are proud to be a C student also.
It'd be great if you could translate that into English so I could better ascertain what exactly you're babbling about and thus decide whether your incoherent drivel requires an intelligent response.
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES View Post
By the sounds of that you are proud to be a C student also.
I was a C student most my life, I also scored 10 points below genius twice on IQ tests.

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^ Admit it. The test was out of 10.
     
 
 
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