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Wall-E is apparently not the only Pixar movie some conservative parents won't let their kids see:
Big Oil is the Big Villain in ‘Cars 2′ | The Lonely Conservative
This is so retarded, especially this argument:
I’m just glad I found this out before I allowed my kids to persuade me to take them to see the movie “Cars 2.”
So you are going to combat leftwing propaganda and brainwashing by brainwashing your kids with conservative principles, and that they are being brainwashed by watching this movie?
I have a better idea. Why not just let your kids see this movie and be exposed to ideas that you may disagree with and let them decide things on their own? You can't shield them from evil leftwing ideas their entire life. What happens once your kid reaches a certain age and decides they are liberal, do you consider your parenting a failure? Ironically, chances are if you keep your kid away from ideas they'll find them all the more intriguing particularly once they hit their teens, so if you really want to indoctrinate your kids maybe the best tactic is not to keep them away from evil leftist ideas at all costs? Keeping them from alternative ideas is also a great way to turn them into a shallow moron who has never had to think, by the way... Of course all of this is assuming you buy into the premise that Cars 2 wishes to indoctrinate your kids in the first place.
Chances are your kids won't give a rat's ass about all of this political stuff, because, well, this movie is about an animated car and stuff, and because they are, you know... kids...
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Originally Posted by besson3c
Why not just let your kids see this movie and be exposed to ideas that you may disagree with and let them decide things on their own?
Because, that right there is a Liberal way of thinking.
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So trusting that you raised your kids well enough that you're not scared they'll "be brainwashed" by an animated movie is "liberal"? I thought that was "parenting". Hard to tell, nowadays, but to me, if you did your job as a parent even half way, this would not be a problem.
However, I do note a strong current of more conservative people expecting the rest of the world to back up their parenting skills by restricting their kids...
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Oil is a scarce resource. Big Oil isn't a free market. They are an oligopoly that manipulates supply and demand.
If you love free market, you should hate Big Oil. You have to love Big Oil if you are a conservative? If you hate Big Oil, you are a liberal? Huh?
Big Oil receives subsidizes from the US as well.
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So trusting that you raised your kids well enough that you're not scared they'll "be brainwashed" by an animated movie is "liberal"? I thought that was "parenting". Hard to tell, nowadays, but to me, if you did your job as a parent even half way, this would not be a problem.
Not put that way. It is certainly a parent's job to ensure that that their kids are properly brainwashed to be able to resist opposing brainwashes.
I'd say though, that conservatives generally don't raise their kids to be able to make decisions that their parents might disagree with at political levels. That's altogether different. That's teaching them to be able to look at your brainwashing, look at the opposing brainwash, evaluate the two, and be able to make a decision about which to accept. That's almost the *definition* of liberal.
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Considering Dinoco was a benevolent and kindly institution in Cars, wonder what happened... or maybe there is some new Evil Global Oil Company. If so, I think then that Pixar's animated depictions of the oil industry is Fair and Balanced.
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Will kids even be able to make connections between Big Oil and real life? I'm guessing most kids don't care at all about petrol. I certainly didn't.
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I wasn't brainwashed to distrust big manufacturing by the depiction of the obviously sub-standard quality of Acme products on the Roadrunner cartoons.
I think the kids will be ok.
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I've many heard arguments that most Pixar movies actually promote more right wing ideology.
I think the truth is that they promote various ideologies and the world is more complicated then that.
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Eh, boycott Cars 2 if you don't like the message, but don't pretend this movie will do anything more than get your kid to shut up for 90 minutes.
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Do ultra conservatives also hate Bambi and the Lame Street Media anti-hunting agenda?
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar
Eh, boycott Cars 2 if you don't like the message, but don't pretend this movie will do anything more than get your kid to shut up for 90 minutes.
Pretty much. /thread
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Why did the movie makers even go that route unless they were already damaged by liberal ideas. Seems that is exactly what they were going after.
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Because making the villains be Nazis or Commies might be a bit much for a kid's movie.
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I see leftists have found themselves another non-issue to get all self-righteous over, with an 'issue' no actual conservative gives a crap about, from some blog no actual conservative ever heard of that's read only by liberals.
Typical. Carry on with the circle-jerk.
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Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh
Do ultra conservatives also hate Bambi and the Lame Street Media anti-hunting agenda?
Not any more that Dr Dolittle 2(anti-foresting) or Happy Feet (anti-fishing)
Do ultra liberals hate "Red Dawn" because of it's pro gun agenda?
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Red Dawn is a kids movie?
Did conservatives hate The Iron Giant because of its anti-gun message?
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Don't get me started on E.T.'s anti-government agenda. Or A Christmas Story's anti-Christmas agenda (where's the Christ, Jean Shepherd?)
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E.T. was commentary on the Ma Bell monopoly and its effect on long distance rates.
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Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE
I see leftists have found themselves another non-issue to get all self-righteous over, with an 'issue' no actual conservative gives a fence about, from some blog no actual conservative ever heard of that's read only by liberals.
Typical. Carry on with the circle-jerk.
You are easily the most unpleasant person I've ever come across on the internet.
There are tons of threads where both liberals and conservatives do exactly what you are claiming, but you'll notice that the idea behind this thread is to attack the idea of shielding your kids from ideas you disagree with, and in this case they just happen to be supposedly leftist ideas. I have not made the claim that there aren't idiotic liberal parents that would do the same thing about conservative ideas. I'm calling for an openness to idea exposure, not a selective one.
However, if I wanted to make a "haha, look at conservatives being dumb AGAIN" troll sort of thread your getting upset and bent out of shape about being people bent out of shape over people being bent out of shape might make for good material.
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"Jaws" ruined outdoor water sports for an entire generation. Bastard commie pinkos.
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I'm looking forward to showing my kids Jaws, in order to teach them to avoid swimming and fishing.
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Originally Posted by Chongo
Not any more that Dr Dolittle 2(anti-foresting) or Happy Feet (anti-fishing)
Do ultra liberals hate "Red Dawn" because of it's pro gun agenda?
Actually, Red Dawn is the perfect movie for very liberal people to highlight. We were told that the Russians were ready to attack at any minute, when in reality... they weren't It highlights just how paranoid the US was during the cold war. There is a saying in Russia when you travel... "And this is what you were so worried about!"
That usually went along with something that was completely backwards.
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Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE
Typical. Carry on with the circle-jerk.
You know this was actually somewhat funny the first couple hundred times you said it. But now I'm beginning to think you just have this strange pre-occupation with large groups of men masturbating together. I'm just saying ....
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I want to see a BadK0sh-written kids movie.
Well, I'd endure the Rotten Tomatoes synopsis, at least.
I'm not that good of a writer, but.......I can do some of the 2nd Unit SPFX. Especially high speed photography and miniature effects.
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I'm sure there are lots of die-hard liberals who let their kids watch Fox News and "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed"
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Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton
I'm sure there are lots of die-hard liberals who let their kids watch Fox News and "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed"
Not exactly kids movies.
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The O'Reilly Factor is a kids movie.
Besides, some parents have teenagers
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Just let them watch Fern Gully III, I mean Avatar.
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Why not just let your kids see this movie and be exposed to ideas that you may disagree with and let them decide things on their own?
Because they're kids? They're impressionable, maybe even malleable. Watching one-sided propaganda (WALL-E counts) doesn't give them both sides of the story.
Joe Camel was wrong, perhaps propaganda using Cars is wrong too.
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Originally Posted by finboy
Because they're kids? They're impressionable, maybe even malleable. Watching one-sided propaganda (WALL-E counts) doesn't give them both sides of the story.
Joe Camel was wrong, perhaps propaganda using Cars is wrong too.
So, children can only be presented with material that offers both sides of the story?
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You are easily the most unpleasant person I've ever come across on the internet.
There are tons of threads where both liberals and conservatives do exactly what you are claiming, but you'll notice that the idea behind this thread is to attack the idea of shielding your kids from ideas you disagree with, and in this case they just happen to be supposedly leftist ideas. I have not made the claim that there aren't idiotic liberal parents that would do the same thing about conservative ideas. I'm calling for an openness to idea exposure, not a selective one.
However, if I wanted to make a "haha, look at conservatives being dumb AGAIN" troll sort of thread your getting upset and bent out of shape about being people bent out of shape over people being bent out of shape might make for good material.
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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak
I'd say though, that conservatives generally don't raise their kids to be able to make decisions that their parents might disagree with at political levels.
Right, like tree-huggers raise their kids to be Alex P. Keaton. Sure they do - no brainwashing going on there. There are freaky parents on both ends of the spectrum, and associated outcomes as well.
My point is that if your kids are young and impressionable you should protect them from things that they can't understand (or understand in context). Propaganda, of all kinds, is something we should recognize but they will not. Riding herd on undue influence is nothing new, it's called "parenting" as someone more articulate than me pointed out.
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"Jaws" ruined outdoor water sports for an entire generation. Bastard commie pinkos.
IT was worse. I still meet people in my generation that are deathly afraid of clowns.
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Originally Posted by finboy
Because they're kids? They're impressionable, maybe even malleable. Watching one-sided propaganda (WALL-E counts) doesn't give them both sides of the story.
Joe Camel was wrong, perhaps propaganda using Cars is wrong too.
What was the liberal agenda in Wall-E? What I gathered was rampant consumerism is a problem. That is something I think people on an place of the spectrum agree with. Was there something I missed?
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Originally Posted by finboy
Right, like tree-huggers raise their kids to be Alex P. Keaton. Sure they do - no brainwashing going on there. There are freaky parents on both ends of the spectrum, and associated outcomes as well.
My point is that if your kids are young and impressionable you should protect them from things that they can't understand (or understand in context). Propaganda, of all kinds, is something we should recognize but they will not. Riding herd on undue influence is nothing new, it's called "parenting" as someone more articulate than me pointed out.
Not disagreeing with you there. You're absolutely right that parents from all parts of the spectrum brainwash their kids. Myself, I'm trying to brainwash my kids to be open minded about new ideas and to evaluate those ideas based on their merits.
For what it's worth, though, I don't really consider tree-huggers to be "liberal". In fact, I'd consider them to be conservative; not Republican-Conservative but nature-conservative. They just happen to align with a few Democrat-Liberal policies, but if tree-huggers ever got any of their policies in place, there's no doubt that they'd be ultra-conservative about maintaining those policies.
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IT was worse. I still meet people in my generation that are deathly afraid of clowns.
Haven't seen it. Just looking at the movie poster makes we cringe, I must see this.
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What was the liberal agenda in Wall-E? What I gathered was rampant consumerism is a problem. That is something I think people on an place of the spectrum agree with. Was there something I missed?
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What was the "propaganda message" of the first Cars?
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What was the liberal agenda in Wall-E? What I gathered was rampant consumerism is a problem. That is something I think people on an place of the spectrum agree with. Was there something I missed?
Consumerism, environmentalism, etc.
There was actually a MacNN mod that announced that his kids wouldn't be seeing this movie for this reason, IIRC.
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So trusting that you raised your kids well enough that you're not scared they'll "be brainwashed" by an animated movie is "liberal"? I thought that was "parenting". Hard to tell, nowadays, but to me, if you did your job as a parent even half way, this would not be a problem.
However, I do note a strong current of more conservative people expecting the rest of the world to back up their parenting skills by restricting their kids...
Although I'd qualify that the strong current of liberal people expecting the public school system to raise their kids is much more apparent. There's also a difference between not wanting your child to hear a silly message sponsored by Pixar and not wanting to support the distribution of the silly message with your patronage.
What you do is let the kid watch the movie and then when they get home you tell them why the propaganda is fallacious. Starting with the joint ventures of Pixar and GE and the fact that it's much easier to get an academy award if you bash an industry with a smaller profit margin than your local municipal power company. The second part is what parents don't want to do so they deny the first part.
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What you do is let the kid watch the movie and then when they get home you tell them why the propaganda is fallacious. Starting with the joint ventures of Pixar and GE and the fact that it's much easier to get an academy award if you bash an industry with a smaller profit margin than your local municipal power company. The second part is what parents don't want to do so they deny the first part.
Yeah, and the kid says "but Daddy, I don't give a shit, politics is boring and this conversation sucks. I liked the part where the animated car talked and did stuff with the other animated cars"
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Almost every movie/show has a liberal agenda.
Comic Book heroes
Batman: anti-gun propaganda. Seriously Batman. Just get a gun and shoot the Joker already in self defense.
Superman: Pro illegal immigration. Not only is superman not born in the US, he isn't even born on this planet!
Disney - Very pro gay agenda
Little Mermaid: Pro gay agenda, alternative lifestyle. Mermaid-man love.
Beauty and the Beast: Pro gay agenda, alternative lifestyle. Beast-woman love.
Kid's shows
Barney: gay
Spongebob: gay
Teletubbies: gay
Pixar - Tree hugger environmentalist agenda
Wall-E: Anti-consumerism. Environmentalist.
Up: Anti-corporatism. Alternative energy. Environmentalist. Anti-hunting.
Cars: Anti big oil.
Bug's Life: Socialism. Pro-union. Ants are the workers who form a union in the end to fight the Grasshoppers who are the lazy big bosses.
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It's also not surprising. Your prototypical conservative archetype is very very boring and not terribly captivating as far as characters go in comparison to your quirky, save the world, sexually liberated, creative, urbanite, romantic liberal type.
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let me see if i can put myself in a conservative's shoes on this
i'm a nice guy who has a nice job.
i drive my ford to work every day and when the gas price goes up, it must be the government!
big oil companies who make billions a quarter and get tax breaks are just being capitalists even if i have to pay for their profits
because their profits will somehow make my life better...
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