[Ji Eun]

idiots....

[budster101]

Well, that was one word to describe teh people you get your information from.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Hey, everyone loves budster, including me.

He'll never leave.

Hey, budster, want a Darvocet? Hydrocodone? Percoset? I'm starting to feel better and have no real use for about 90 extra pain pills.



Hope you have a good one!

hehe for me its a love and hate relationship, half the time hes ok the other half I leave to your imaginations.


Ji, Bud, enough your going to get this thread locked just ignore each other

[budster101]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Hey, everyone loves budster, including me.

He'll never leave.

Hey, budster, want a Darvocet? Hydrocodone? Percoset? I'm starting to feel better and have no real use for about 90 extra pain pills.



Hope you have a good one!

Ha-ha. Jus saw this in someone's reply. Don't know how I missed it.
I'll have to be escorted out by some very large people for that to happen, or maybe just a mod.


I can't even pronounce some of those, let alone want any. Gosh thanks though... I think.
I don't even like taking aspirin... I'd rather deal with the pain... reminds me I'm alive.

Why did they give you so many? You'll have to dispose of those properly, though I'm not sure how you do that. Ask your doctor about that.

You have a good one too.......

[Athens]

Originally Posted by MacIntel

Interesting. the SR-71 seems to have wing notches to add lift surfaces to the leading edge of the engine pods. (Well, my guess anyway). But I can't guess their purpose on the 105's wings. I'd be curious if they solve some aerodynamic problem, or provide some tactical function.

That list makes me wonder if Avro sold all the innovations in the CF-105, used them in other designs, or just scrapped them.

Thing to remember is that Avro had to use the Wind Tunnel chambers in the US because there was nothing in Canada at the time that simulated Mach 2+. They used the Cornell Laboratories at Buffalo, the N.A.C.A. Langley Field and Cleveland tunnels and developed the notch because of the wind tunnel results. Overall the fastest the wind tunnel could simulate and I think it was the Langley one was mach 2.5 and with the redesigned wings it proved stable at the max, it was a theory that it could, the design of the wings anyways handle mach 3, and the SR71 which shares the same notch elements have proven that it prob could have. Now the CF105 could never get to mach 3 but it did unofficially reach mach 2 with out the engines that it was suppose to use.

[Cody Dawg]

Hi budster:

Oh, they're stashed in the cupboard. When I first had the pain and went in my blood pressure was 187/98. WDLove (who is in nursing) will tell you that pain makes blood pressure rise. The pain was excruciating - I felt like one spot in my abdomen was pulsating and each pulse was terrible. They gave me Darvocet.

However, Darvocet made me nauseous. So, then they gave me Percoset. That was a little better.

Then, after the surgery, they told me to take Hydrocodone (which I think is the same as Vicodin) which was better than Percoset. With the Hydrocodone I could sit up and actually barely feel the pain, whereas with Percoset the pain was only numbed.

Now I still feel an aching feeling in one spot, but it's a lot better.

Drugs have a place. I would NOT rather just suffer through pain. It was so bad it was making me vomit, making my blood pressure high (my blood pressure is normally about 110/70), and feel hopeless. With the drugs I could regroup and be comfortable.

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by Athens

Thing to remember is that Avro had to use the Wind Tunnel chambers in the US because there was nothing in Canada at the time that simulated Mach 2+. They used the Cornell Laboratories at Buffalo, the N.A.C.A. Langley Field and Cleveland tunnels and developed the notch because of the wind tunnel results. Overall the fastest the wind tunnel could simulate and I think it was the Langley one was mach 2.5 and with the redesigned wings it proved stable at the max, it was a theory that it could, the design of the wings anyways handle mach 3, and the SR71 which shares the same notch elements have proven that it prob could have. Now the CF105 could never get to mach 3 but it did unofficially reach mach 2 with out the engines that it was suppose to use.

Athens, you don't sound like yourself...hmmm...are you sharing this nic with someone?

[Athens]

no why?

[Macrobat]

Originally Posted by Athens

wouldn't talk about nock off, the SR71 Blackbird shares much of its design with the CF-105 and the very first fly by wire system ever was in the CF-105 which is in all US Jets now.

Except that the SR-71 first flew in 1964 as the YF-12, from a design laid down by the Lockheed Skunkworks in 1952.

The first viable fly-by-wire system was used in the X-15, which first flew in 1959. There were three other failed attempts made by, in order, the Germans, the Canadians, and the Americans before it. See, the Germans were experimenting with it in the closing period of WWII.

Hear that whislting sound? It's your "point" about to slam into the ground.

And Trollio, I stated that the Buran was only intended as a testbed aircraft, just like the Enterprise, and I was correct. The machine was never even completed, had less than 1/8th the computing power needed for successful manned missions and had no viable life support system installed - by any measure a failure, not a success, just because it proved to be a really cool radio-controlled toy - for one flight.

One retrieves, repairs, upgrades and returns a satellite to orbit for the same reason you don't go out and buy a new car when yours breaks down - it's cheaper.

The reusable orbiter is FAR cheaper than Ariane (or any other one-time-use launcher) because every component of it is reusable. The external fuel tanks are all recovered, refurbished and used again - which means it is a more cost-effective system over time.

Your little flippant remark about having landing strips on other planets simply displays your lack of knowledge about interplanetary flight and the preparations needed to make it happen. The shuttle is a first stage toward that ends because any interplanetary ship would, by necessity, have to built in orbit, outside the Earth's gravity well and the shuttle would be required for its construction. See, ya need a manned vehicle, capable of super-orbitary flight to reach the construction site, carry the materials to construct and the constructors needed to perform the work.

BTW, Athens, NASA uses Redstones, not Saturns for simple one-time lifts. Saturns were purpose-built, multi-stage vehicles designed for the Moon missions.

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by Athens

no why?

Let's just say your discussion of aerospace, planes and things military, is interesting and surprising. Have you always known about these things or are you just reading like a demon before you make your next post in order to keep up with the discussion?

[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

Originally Posted by hip(2)b⟡

The United States of America is the greatest country in the world, period. First in human rights, first in space exploration, first in computer science, first in medical research...the list goes on and on.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Geez, I mean Canada had the US beet when it came to Human rights with slavery and gay marriages.

The Soviets beat the US for most Space stuff.

And I would love to know your sources for the other stuff.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Macrobat

And Trollio, I stated that the Buran was only intended as a testbed aircraft, just like the Enterprise, and I was correct. The machine was never even completed, had less than 1/8th the computing power needed for successful manned missions and had no viable life support system installed - by any measure a failure, not a success, just because it proved to be a really cool radio-controlled toy - for one flight.

Well...

It's just as valid to claim that it was a resounding success, since its first test flight can be described as nothing less, that was unfortunately killed for lack of funds.

There's no resolving that argument, since the Buran never got beyond that very promising stage.

Originally Posted by Macrobat

One retrieves, repairs, upgrades and returns a satellite to orbit for the same reason you don't go out and buy a new car when yours breaks down - it's cheaper.

The reusable orbiter is FAR cheaper than Ariane (or any other one-time-use launcher) because every component of it is reusable. The external fuel tanks are all recovered, refurbished and used again - which means it is a more cost-effective system over time.

You are wrong.

a) the tank is NOT recovered. It disintegrates and is lost in the Indian Ocean. Only the boosters are re-used.

b) This document shows the Space Shuttle clearly leading the pack as the most expensive craft world-wide, in terms of cost-per-pound of payload.

Originally Posted by Macrobat

Your little flippant remark about having landing strips on other planets simply displays your lack of knowledge about interplanetary flight and the preparations needed to make it happen. The shuttle is a first stage toward that ends because any interplanetary ship would, by necessity, have to built in orbit, outside the Earth's gravity well and the shuttle would be required for its construction. See, ya need a manned vehicle, capable of super-orbitary flight to reach the construction site, carry the materials to construct and the constructors needed to perform the work.

BTW, Athens, NASA uses Redstones, not Saturns for simple one-time lifts. Saturns were purpose-built, multi-stage vehicles designed for the Moon missions.

NASA uses Athena, Pegasus, Taurus, Delta, and Atlas rockets for "simple one-time lifts".

The Redstone was retired from service in 1964. That is not a typo.
(edit: Actually, IIRC, the Delta booster was retired a few months ago, as well.)

Your condescending monologue about interplanetary flight simply puts into sharp relief your lack of knowledge about Earth-orbital flight, its history, and the money needed to make it happen.

BTW, building interplanetary craft in orbit does not in any way require returning payload to Earth; it requires getting a whole lot of payload and engineers into orbit as cheaply as possible.

And Russia's Proton and China's Long March have the Shuttle beat in that, by quite a margin, at lower risk.

[Macrobat]

Neither of which is capable of supra-orbital navigation to reach outside the Earth's gravitational well, which would be required in order to build a craft large enough to be capable of self-sustaining interplanetary flight, speaking of lack of knowledge.

Show me where I said anything on the subject of building an interplanetary craft that included anything resembling returning payload to Earth.

[analogika]

a) why would building spacecraft in space require supra-orbital navigation?

and

b) The Space Shuttle orbiter is capable of this?

[Macrobat]

Originally Posted by analogika

a) why would building spacecraft in space require supra-orbital navigation?

and

b) The Space Shuttle orbiter is capable of this?

a) For the third time. supra-orbital navigation would be required in order to reach the craft buildsite, which would necessarily have to located outside the Earth's gravitational well (as well as being outside any magnetic influence). Not to mention having the construction site out of the way of all the crap floating around in Earth orbit.

and

b) Duh, of course it is, it is equipped with onboard boosters and reaction thrusters foir maneuvering, it would, after all, be one of the theoretical missions the craft was designed for in the first place.

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by analogika

Well...

It's just as valid to claim that it was a resounding success, since its first test flight can be described as nothing less, that was unfortunately killed for lack of funds.

There's no resolving that argument, since the Buran never got beyond that very promising stage.

You are wrong.

a) the tank is NOT recovered. It disintegrates and is lost in the Indian Ocean. Only the boosters are re-used.

b) This document shows the Space Shuttle clearly leading the pack as the most expensive craft world-wide, in terms of cost-per-pound of payload.

NASA uses Athena, Pegasus, Taurus, Delta, and Atlas rockets for "simple one-time lifts".

The Redstone was retired from service in 1964. That is not a typo.
(edit: Actually, IIRC, the Delta booster was retired a few months ago, as well.)

Your condescending monologue about interplanetary flight simply puts into sharp relief your lack of knowledge about Earth-orbital flight, its history, and the money needed to make it happen.

BTW, building interplanetary craft in orbit does not in any way require returning payload to Earth; it requires getting a whole lot of payload and engineers into orbit as cheaply as possible.

And Russia's Proton and China's Long March have the Shuttle beat in that, by quite a margin, at lower risk.

Building (lifting the pieces and supplying) the International Space Station would have been much more difficult, much more dangerous, much more expensive, much more time intensive without the Space Shuttle. Who knows if it would have even been attempted. The Shuttle was designed from the beginning to haul big things into orbit and those big things they planned on hauling when the Shuttle was designed, were in part, the sections of the Space Station.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by mojo2

Building (lifting the pieces and supplying) the International Space Station would have been much more difficult, much more dangerous, much more expensive, much more time intensive without the Space Shuttle. Who knows if it would have even been attempted. The Shuttle was designed from the beginning to haul big things into orbit and those big things they planned on hauling when the Shuttle was designed, were in part, the sections of the Space Station.

Actually, about half the modules of the station itself, and the vast majority of supply flights, were sent up by the Russians.

They're far cheaper than the shuttle missions.

And as for "who knows" - George W. Bush has recently KILLED the ISS program.

[Cody Dawg]

This convo is way out of my orbit.

[SimpleLife]

Originally Posted by analogika

Actually, about half the modules of the station itself, and the vast majority of supply flights, were sent up by the Russians.

They're far cheaper than the shuttle missions.

And as for "who knows" - George W. Bush has recently KILLED the ISS program.

To go to Mars, IIRC, ironically...

Sounds like a wet dream from a semi-amnesiac that dried instantly...

<cough></cough>

[Athens]

Originally Posted by mojo2

Let's just say your discussion of aerospace, planes and things military, is interesting and surprising. Have you always known about these things or are you just reading like a demon before you make your next post in order to keep up with the discussion?

I've always been a fan of military, technology, history and world events. Most of the time when I argue about something im just to lazy or tired to get my thoughts out of my head correct. Most of the time what im thinking in my head and what I can articulate to others is way off. And some times im thinking the write thing but mixed up details and end up being completely wrong. Things such as the before listed stuff im a fan of though can usually get out of my head into a post correct.

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by Athens

I've always been a fan of military, technology, history and world events. Most of the time when I argue about something im just to lazy or tired to get my thoughts out of my head correct. Most of the time what im thinking in my head and what I can articulate to others is way off. And some times im thinking the write thing but mixed up details and end up being completely wrong. Things such as the before listed stuff im a fan of though can usually get out of my head into a post correct.

Yeah, I didn't really think you would/could fake an interest and that kind of knowledge.

[budster101]

Truth.

[mojo2]

Well, it looks like this one is destined for the archives.

[Athens]

Found a article by mistake that def shows that the Shuttle has a place even today

http://www.space.com/spacenews/busin...ay_050801.html

The European Module for the space station can only be put in orbit by the Shuttle.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by budster101

Truth.

You need to stop calling it that. It has no more "truth" to it than Bigfoot or Nessy.

[Troll]

Originally Posted by Athens

The European Module for the space station can only be put in orbit by the Shuttle.

... or another equivalent vehicle that has a bit more processing power than a modern digital watch!

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Troll

... or another equivalent vehicle that has a bit more processing power than a modern digital watch!

um no!

[DBursey]

DBursey here, briefly reporting from my month-long road trip thru New England to the eastern Provinces.

Maine's countryside is beautiful. The roads, however, are atrocious. Be prepared to replace your springs and shocks!

Tax-averse Americans: Who pays for your roads (beside your adequate interstate system)? It would seem that no-one does!

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by DBursey

Tax-averse Americans: Who pays for your roads (beside your adequate interstate system)? It would seem that no-one does!

I'm for reasonable taxes if it goes towards the things they're suppose to. If everything went privatized, we'd have Microsofts making our roads and schools. Pepsi would have concqured France and our biology books would be about how many Pokemon you can find.

[pooka]

Originally Posted by olePigeon

I'm for reasonable taxes if it goes towards the things they're suppose to. If everything went privatized, we'd have Microsofts making our roads and schools. Pepsi would have concqured France and our biology books would be about how many Pokemon you can find.

So our daily suckage would be about the same.

[SimpleLife]

Originally Posted by DBursey

DBursey here, briefly reporting from my month-long road trip thru New England to the eastern Provinces.

Maine's countryside is beautiful. The roads, however, are atrocious. Be prepared to replace your springs and shocks!

Tax-averse Americans: Who pays for your roads (beside your adequate interstate system)? It would seem that no-one does!

No one does; they buy SUVs.

[Myrkridia]

Originally Posted by hip(2)b⟡

I am watching the launch of the space shuttle right now and I am full of pride.

Yeah I feel so proud knowing my tax dollars are being spent so 3rd graders all across America can watch streaming video of astronauts catching M&M's and globs of Tang in zero G.
WOOHOO!

The United States of America is the greatest country in the world, period. First in human rights, first in space exploration, first in computer science, first in medical research...the list goes on and on.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Don't forget first in education!

We have liberated oppressed countries over and over again.

We always try to be the helping hand and friend FIRST to every country that needs help. It is only after countries have abused our good nature and friendship and take the extra step of abusing the privileges that we provide that we take action against them and/or their citizens.

We liberated Europe from the Nazis. We continue to try to broker peace between Israel and Palestine. The list is long and our record is true with respect to first offering a hand in friendship.

People can say what they want, but our history of helping is a fact and a part of history.

America is a great country and whether anyone wants to believe it or not, we are the greatest country in the world. Certain people are jealous of our brilliant history and heritage and they attack us, but it is because they are jealous and envious over what they do not have and may never have.

Never before have I responded to someone more deluded. Do you take batteries? Or is there a pull string on your back?

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by hip(2)b⟡

We have liberated oppressed countries over and over again.

If by liberated you mean toppling sovereign governments to establish one that's more sympathetic to U.S. trade policy... sure.

[budster101]

As long as we are in agreement...

So, was Germany during WWII a sovereign government? You do remember Hitler right?
When the world was virtually on fire because of the Japanese and the Germans, it was ok...

[freudling]

Modern America is an imperialist Nation teeming with murderers. The USA is anything but the best country in the world. It is a medium through which Politicians and international business men can effect their strategies.

[idjeff]

Wow!!! The most brilliant post I've ever seen here. <------SARCASM
As for your Signature....I don't think pessismism has anything to do with it...