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Petition to STOP METAL FINDER in 10.3
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arekkusu
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Sep 26, 2003, 03:29 PM
 
There is an online petition to STOP METAL IN THE FINDER.

If you care at all about the Mac OS, *GO SIGN THIS*
http://www.petitiononline.com/stopugly/petition.html
     
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Sep 26, 2003, 03:51 PM
 
Brushed metal is very ugly. I doubt that a petition would help though. Someone at Apple seems to like it since practically everything is brushed metal meanwhile.
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Sep 26, 2003, 04:50 PM
 
I LOVE brushed metal Aqua is for softies.

At least BM is a lot better than these d*mn horizontal stripes everywhere.
     
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Sep 26, 2003, 04:52 PM
 
I actually like the metal look...

But I also like Cheese Whiz & Spam, so my opinions don't go very far.
     
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Sep 26, 2003, 04:53 PM
 
When did that trend to start petitions for every little thing start?

     
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Sep 26, 2003, 05:17 PM
 
Originally posted by arekkusu:
If you care at all about the Mac OS, *GO SIGN THIS*...]
Trying to get Apple to drop brushed metal at this point would be like trying to get Roseanne Barr away from the all you can eat buffet line at the Sizzler

I care, but I'm not signing.
     
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Sep 26, 2003, 05:22 PM
 
Actually, when you click on the hide toolbar button on the right, the metal-theme disappears.

Well, only for that window.
     
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Sep 26, 2003, 05:51 PM
 
Originally posted by Jan Van Boghout:
When did that trend to start petitions for every little thing start?
When somebody decided that petitions were too effective and they should be reduced to the political equivalent of a guestbook.
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Sep 26, 2003, 06:00 PM
 
If Apple hasn't changed things by this late-beta stage, they're not about to suddenly revert just because some people signed an online petition.

Besides, how many of these people have used Panther yet? I haven't, and I'm sure most of them haven't either. They might end up liking the Finder (even if just for the features) once they get to know it.
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Sep 26, 2003, 06:07 PM
 
Petitions is so childish
     
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Sep 26, 2003, 06:29 PM
 
Petition???

I guess I'm not in touch with my artistic side. If you've got beef with brushed metal, then change it.

Skins exist for X. (search the forums, there was a recent post linking to some NICE ones).

Geesh.
     
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Sep 26, 2003, 07:22 PM
 
Please consider XP's default theme before you sign that.
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Sep 26, 2003, 07:27 PM
 
Have any of these petitions ever worked?
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Sep 26, 2003, 07:45 PM
 
Originally posted by arekkusu:
There is an online petition to STOP METAL IN THE FINDER.

If you care at all about the Mac OS, *GO SIGN THIS*
http://www.petitiononline.com/stopugly/petition.html
I do care about the Mac OS and I think the brushed metal is the best new feature of the Finder, I love it.

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Sep 26, 2003, 08:31 PM
 
Originally posted by Developer:
Brushed metal is very ugly. I doubt that a petition would help though. Someone at Apple seems to like it since practically everything is brushed metal meanwhile.
You know what? I would bet 'someone' is called Steve
     
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Sep 26, 2003, 08:34 PM
 
the interface is much better and yes I too think brushed metal sucks and have tried to convert all my apps to aqua then I thought, what's the point?

One thing that would be nice is a over haul of the brushed metal look. I know it has been covered many times but the old music player in PB.
     
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Sep 26, 2003, 09:33 PM
 
I hate brushed metal in everything but iCal and iTunes. I use Safari in Aqua mode. However I must say that I think that the Finder's browser though looks quite good in their metal. Further even Aqua is a tad bit more "metallic" in appearance in Panther.
     
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Sep 26, 2003, 09:48 PM
 
I love the brushed metal Finder, so no I won't sign it







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Sep 26, 2003, 10:30 PM
 
where's that picture of the huge crying smiley?
     
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Sep 27, 2003, 05:29 AM
 
1) Brushed metal MATCHES THE G5s and the Powerbooks.

2) It's just a theme, kids.

3) Yes I meant "kids". You guys choose to whine over the most trivial things. Here we have a beautiful Operating System, beautiful machines, and a company that we love; yet you dorks choose to whine about the freakin' theme?

Get a theme, dudes. Stop acting like such high maintenance PC losers.
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Sep 27, 2003, 05:43 AM
 
Originally posted by Commodus:
Besides, how many of these people have used Panther yet? I haven't, and I'm sure most of them haven't either. They might end up liking the Finder (even if just for the features) once they get to know it.

Exactly, these are the same people that moaned about the smiley face disappearing on startup.

They probably still eat Bread and dripping and ride around on Penny farthings.
     
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Sep 27, 2003, 05:56 AM
 
Whine whine whine. Try using the new finder before you complain. You'll never want the old one back.

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Sep 27, 2003, 06:17 AM
 
Originally posted by arekkusu:
There is an online petition to STOP METAL IN THE FINDER.

If you care at all about the Mac OS, *GO SIGN THIS*
http://www.petitiononline.com/stopugly/petition.html
Get over it...
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Sep 27, 2003, 06:22 AM
 
Not a fan of over-using metal in apps, but I really do like the new Panther Aqua; duller stripes, darker grey, and now text appears legible, and clear. It also makes the interface much more interesting without detracting from it. Still, I love Jaguar's stripes too, but Panther is much nicer.

If you fire up mail, or something like console, the toolbar and icons look really good together now, more sort of blended in. I wish they would flatten the pop-up, and pull-down buttons, cause they tend to stick out too much now.
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Sep 27, 2003, 10:26 AM
 
Can anyone attest to the performance of the Finder window resizing in later versions of Panther? In DP1 metal Finder windows reverted back to the performance of, say, resizing an iPhoto window.

Beyond the fact that Apple is violating its own UI guidelines going metal seems to have significantly DECREASED performance of the most basic element of Finder windows.
     
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Sep 27, 2003, 10:31 AM
 
Originally posted by cacarr1:
Get over it...
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Sep 27, 2003, 10:32 AM
 
Originally posted by SpeedRacer:
Can anyone attest to the performance of the Finder window resizing in later versions of Panther? In DP1 metal Finder windows reverted back to the performance of, say, resizing an iPhoto window.

Beyond the fact that Apple is violating its own UI guidelines going metal seems to have significantly DECREASED performance of the most basic element of Finder windows.
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Sep 27, 2003, 06:04 PM
 
Originally posted by arekkusu:
There is an online petition to STOP METAL IN THE FINDER.

If you care at all about the Mac OS, *GO SIGN THIS*
http://www.petitiononline.com/stopugly/petition.html
If you don't like it, don't buy it.

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Sep 27, 2003, 06:34 PM
 
Originally posted by Moonray:
If you don't like it, don't buy it.
I agree with you but that's as same as saying:

If you don't like Earth, don't live on it.

     
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Sep 27, 2003, 07:04 PM
 
Originally posted by Adam Betts:
I agree with you but that's as same as saying:

If you don't like Earth, don't live on it.

Yes, if little changes on Earth would cause that much stress to me like brushed metal seems to cause to some people here I would not have time to write this post

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Sep 27, 2003, 07:33 PM
 
Originally posted by arekkusu:
There is an online petition to STOP METAL IN THE FINDER.

If you care at all about the Mac OS, *GO SIGN THIS*
http://www.petitiononline.com/stopugly/petition.html
I care about the MacOS, and yet the metal finder doesn't bother me.

Tons better than a pinstriped finder.
     
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Sep 27, 2003, 10:21 PM
 
I don't like the brushed metal look myself but I'm not fanatical about it. If its in Panther, its there. Life goes on.
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Sep 28, 2003, 12:35 AM
 
When somebody decided that petitions were too effective and they should be reduced to the political equivalent of a guestbook.
Right on, online petitions hold as much water as a thimble... legally, there is no impetus for a company to even acknowledge the petition.

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Sep 28, 2003, 12:50 AM
 
I'll be sooooooooo glad once the pin-stripes are gone completely. Brushed metal rules.
     
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Sep 28, 2003, 01:14 AM
 
Originally posted by Mac Guru:
Right on, online petitions hold as much water as a thimble... legally, there is no impetus for a company to even acknowledge the petition.

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Or thimble sized sieve if they're used for whining only.

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Sep 28, 2003, 01:20 AM
 
Originally posted by Eug:
I'll be sooooooooo glad once the pin-stripes are gone completely. Brushed metal rules.
I've already gotten rid of the pinstripes.
     
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
I've already gotten rid of the pinstripes.
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Sep 28, 2003, 02:51 AM
 
I like more the panther aqua (jaguar aqua sucks) than metal! Apple should make two systemwide themes for panther one for aqua and one for metal....

So everybody would be happy :-)

I signed the petition....
     
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Sep 28, 2003, 02:57 AM
 
Originally posted by Developer:
Brushed metal is very ugly. I doubt that a petition would help though. Someone at Apple seems to like it since practically everything is brushed metal meanwhile.
They're on a 'boring' kick right now.....
     
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Sep 28, 2003, 02:58 AM
 
I know it won't do anything, but I signed the petition anyway just like I have sent several feedbacks to Apple about this which won't do anything either.
     
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Sep 28, 2003, 04:04 AM
 
Hey when does MacNN gets rid of the pinstripes here and goes brushed metal?
And how can I start a petition for it?

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Sep 28, 2003, 07:43 AM
 
Originally posted by Moonray:
Hey when does MacNN gets rid of the pinstripes here and goes brushed metal?
And how can I start a petition for it?
I hope they never go brushed metal. This is one of the problems of brushed metal it looks just too heavy. Have a look at the .Mac page for an example. It feels uncomfortable. Like staring at a big metal sheet at 20 cm distance. Wo does that? We feel more comfortable looking into the distance. That's more brighter and bluer colors with regard to color perspective.
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Sep 28, 2003, 07:47 AM
 
Originally posted by Developer:
I hope they never go brushed metal. This is one of the problems of brushed metal it looks just too heavy. Have a look at the .Mac page for an example. It feels uncomfortable. Like staring at a big metal sheet at 20 cm distance. Wo does that? We feel more comfortable looking into the distance. That's more brighter and bluer colors with regard to color perspective.


Aqua has always seemed so light to me instead of the heavy grays of previous operating systems (and now, sadly, 10.3), and, as you said, very comfortable to look at.
     
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Sep 28, 2003, 10:24 AM
 
Originally posted by Developer:
I hope they never go brushed metal. This is one of the problems of brushed metal it looks just too heavy. Have a look at the .Mac page for an example. It feels uncomfortable. Like staring at a big metal sheet at 20 cm distance. Wo does that? We feel more comfortable looking into the distance. That's more brighter and bluer colors with regard to color perspective.
I can't say that staring at an almost white, pinstriped screen makes me feel better. The problem I have with the current Aqua theme is that it is too bright and has too much contrast to normal contents. Platinum was nice for its light shade of grey.

The stripes or the brushed metal are just textures for me. I can't say that I find the brushed structure less obtrusive than the stripes, but I like that it's not that white.

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Sep 28, 2003, 10:44 AM
 
The pinstripes in the 10.3 Aqua are MUCH more subtle than in 10.2. To me, who doesn't like the pinstripes at all in 10.2, they're not an issue with 10.3, at least as far as what I've seen in screenies. The brushed-metal apps seem so much clunkier with all the space around windows, and no visible spearation of the title bar at the top.

The petition might be pointless, but I've submitted feedback to Apple that at the very least, they let people choose between Brushed and Aqua, as is their wont. All it takes is two measly radio buttons.

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Sep 28, 2003, 11:14 AM
 
Not having a copy of Panther handy to play with, can you guys with Panther answer a question regarding this:

In Panther, does the brushed metal go visibly translucent when the window is not selected?

The more I use Safari in Jaguar, especially with two screens, the more I really hate that I can't tell at a glance which window is selected like I can with the Aqua theme. The selected Aqua window turns opaque white versus the translucent gray of the other windows. But now that 1/3 of my windows are brushed metal, which has no visible difference when selected, I cannot just glance at a screen and tell where the focus is.

I absolutely HATE that... to me that's a major GUI deficiency... even Windoze pathetic GUI gets that important piece of functionality better than the Jaguar with brushed metal introduced!! Ack!
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Sep 28, 2003, 11:23 AM
 
Originally posted by kennedy:

I absolutely HATE that... to me that's a major GUI deficiency... even Windoze pathetic GUI gets that important piece of functionality better than the Jaguar with brushed metal introduced!! Ack!
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Sep 28, 2003, 12:18 PM
 
Originally posted by Moonray:
I can't say that staring at an almost white, pinstriped screen makes me feel better. The problem I have with the current Aqua theme is that it is too bright and has too much contrast to normal contents. Platinum was nice for its light shade of grey.

The stripes or the brushed metal are just textures for me. I can't say that I find the brushed structure less obtrusive than the stripes, but I like that it's not that white.

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Sep 28, 2003, 12:44 PM
 
Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
I think the brushed metal is the best new feature of the Finder, I love it.
worth $130?
     
 
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