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besson3c
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Jan 6, 2010, 03:44 PM
 
I agree with stupendousman, actually. It is dangerous to discourage party switching, because this encourages political calculation over sincerity in beliefs. It is perfectly natural and human to have beliefs change over time. However, there are also politicians who would switch purely for perceived political gains and nothing more.

It's very hard to read and assess which applies for certain people, especially when there is confusing information such as Leiberman advocating for a medicare buy-in into the health care bill, and then just weeks later saying that he is firmly against this. His mind *could* have changed in a matter of weeks, but it also seems a little odd that this just happens to be the same time his name is plastered all over the news because of the power he represented. Power corrupts!
     
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Jan 6, 2010, 04:05 PM
 
I'm just glad we can get the hell out of Dodd.

*rimshot*

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Jan 6, 2010, 04:29 PM
 
I thought Mark Sanford was giving the rimshots?
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Originally Posted by olePigeon View Post
I thought Mark Sanford was giving the rimshots?
Thats a different kind of "***shot" and its $9.99 a month to view on the internet.
     
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besson3c
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Jan 8, 2010, 02:01 AM
 
What are you getting excited about, stupendousman? There are 6 senate Republican retiring after their current term as opposed to 2 Democrats, 14 house Republicans vs. 10 Democrats, and 5 Rep governors vs. 3 Democrats. As far as the 3 Democrats who just announced, there are chances that 2 of those 3 could re-elect a Democrat.
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Jan 8, 2010, 02:40 AM
 
The difference is, the Democrats can't afford losing a single Senator. Else, their idiocy might come to a stop.

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Jan 8, 2010, 03:16 AM
 
Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
The difference is, the Democrats can't afford losing a single Senator. Else, their idiocy might come to a stop.

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Remember that conversation we had about trolling? Is it really necessary to provoke people by accusing their party of choice of idiocy (true or not)? Are we talking party strategery or playing political football?

I don't mean to belabor this point, I just hope you start to see that there are definitions of trolling that differ wildly from yours.
     
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Jan 8, 2010, 12:32 PM
 
Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
The difference is, the Democrats can't afford losing a single Senator. Else, their idiocy might come to a stop.

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Because Republicans can afford to lose a half a dozen Senators?

Have you hear of the Whig party?
Bush Tax Cuts == Job Killer
June 2001: 132,047,000 employed
June 2003: 129,839,000 employed
2.21 million jobs were LOST after 2 years of Bush Tax Cuts.
     
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Jan 9, 2010, 01:16 AM
 
I told you so. He is going one of the worst president your country will ever have after Bush. But, no one will say so because the guy is black.
     
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I told you so. He is going one of the worst president your country will ever have after Bush. But, no one will say so because the guy is black.
Do you come here often? There are plenty of people here that are happy to pronounce him the worst president ever. I think you should apologize for referring to them as "no one".
     
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Jan 9, 2010, 01:32 AM
 
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Do you come here often? There are plenty of people here that are happy to pronounce him the worst president ever. I think you should apologize for referring to them as "no one".
I have been away for some time. I am glad that people consider him as any other human being with tons of faults. Strangely I agree with the conservatives with this one.
     
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Jan 9, 2010, 02:07 AM
 
I assure you, there are many non-conservatives in here that are aware of the fact that he is a regular human being too! I don't think the conservatives hold a monopoly over that view.
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
I assure you, there are many non-conservatives in here that are aware of the fact that he is a regular human being too! I don't think the conservatives hold a monopoly over that view.
As a regular human being where do I apply for some affirmative action? Quotas? Bussing? So much for were all just regular people.
     
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Jan 9, 2010, 09:24 PM
 
Originally Posted by Orion27 View Post
As a regular human being where do I apply for some affirmative action? Quotas? Bussing? So much for were all just regular people.
Although affirmative action was essential at some point, it is not today. Also, have you noticed that people who are speaking about racism are those that really never suffered any.
     
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Jan 25, 2010, 04:29 PM
 
Here's a local article about Griffith switching: The Parker Griffith switch: What led him to join the GOP, and how it affects District 5 | Breaking News from The Huntsville Times - al.com

However, according to the congressional newspaper Roll Call, there was a poll.
On Dec. 23, one day after the switch, Roll Call wrote:
"Griffith's office confirmed Wednesday afternoon that the Congressman's campaign had commissioned the poll and that the Congressman had seen the results of the survey before he made his announcement on Tuesday that he would leave the Democratic Party. Griffith's office declined to release the specific polling questions or the results of the survey."
Griffith said Friday that he left for ideological reasons, that the party of 2008 had left him behind. But that explanation appears to contradict elements of his earlier campaigns.
This is pretty much what I expected. Griffith saw the writing on the wall that he would not get re-elected as a democrat.

I don't think he'll get re-elected as a republican either. The Madison County Republicans have already passed a resolution saying to vote for anybody else but Griffith. Madison county is the largest in the district with about half the population in the district. It seems to me all he'll accomplish is screwing the 5th district of AL out of year on a couple of key committee spots.
     
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Feb 8, 2010, 05:00 PM
 
John Murtha saw the writing on the wall as well. Got out while he could.


(too soon?)
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Feb 8, 2010, 08:34 PM
 
Originally Posted by Monique View Post
Although affirmative action was essential at some point, it is not today. Also, have you noticed that people who are speaking about racism are those that really never suffered any.
I was denied college scholarships because of my race, sexual orientation, and gender.

I'm not sure how you can say I haven't suffered discrimination.
     
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Feb 8, 2010, 08:54 PM
 
Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
I was denied college scholarships because of my race, sexual orientation, and gender.

I'm not sure how you can say I haven't suffered discrimination.
Didn't qualify for a basketball scholarship either?
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Feb 15, 2010, 03:22 PM
 
And Bayh was one of the more reasonable Democrats.

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