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rickey939 · Jan 12, 2006, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by macintologist

Maybe my computer is too slow?

867mhz g4 powerbook.

Nope, works fine on my 667 DVI TiBook with 1GB RAM.

RevEvs · Jan 13, 2006, 03:11 AM

FYI: 2.0.1 is out. Hopefully it fixes the crashing!

alphasubzero949 · Jan 13, 2006, 04:09 AM

Micro$oft's decision to pull WMP should be VERY bad news for us in the Mac community.

First they pulled MSN, then IE, now this. I'm surprised they still let VPC exist. When they can't compete against something better than their shoddy offerings, they pick up their marbles and leave.

I know that some of us will roll our eyes to this, but think about it. More and more web sites now require WMP in order to listen to/view their media content. Not just the pimple-faced blogger sites but major TV station, commercial radio, and corporate sites as well. Hell, some even deploy ActiveX, thus locking out anyone without Windows and/or MSIE!

The vast majority of noobs in the Mac community want to be able to watch Windows Media files. Now that MS has all but killed development and with more and more of those content providers using WMP 10 and DRM, they're not going to know what to do. And telling them, "Don't bother with that crappy format" is not a viable solution.

Windows Media is proliferating like a cancer and ignoring it isn't going to make it go away...

Complain to the web developers? Futile. They just give the canned marketshare/statistics response.

Sad to say, Flip4Mac isn't the holy plugin to cure this. Even after going 2.0, it still has a long way to go toward 100% usability (couldn't say the same about 1.0.x, which was betaware).

The irony? MS has whimpered that consumers "want choice."

B Gallagher · Jan 13, 2006, 04:10 AM

Can anyone else not get this to work in Firefox 1.5? I just get a "what do you want to do with this file" dialoge, and when I choose open with wmv player.app, it opens it in quicktime. I'd much rather have it open within the browser window like Safari does.

Great app btw.

JLL · Jan 13, 2006, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by alphasubzero949

First they pulled MSN, then IE, now this. I'm surprised they still let VPC exist.

VPC (and Office) exists because MS makes money on them. WMP was free.

JKT · Jan 13, 2006, 07:28 AM

Given that bugger all has been done with WIMP for years, it surprised me to hear that they actually thought they still were developing WIMP for Mac!

StarCross · Jan 13, 2006, 08:11 AM

Version 2.0.1 prevents me from using any Microsoft Office X application. I would start up Word, for example, and it would suddenly quit after showing the splash screen. Thus, Flip4Mac was promptly uninstalled.

JKT · Jan 13, 2006, 08:18 AM

Word 2004 and Excel 2004 launch fine for me. Maybe its just an issue with Office v.X

TETENAL · Jan 13, 2006, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by alphasubzero949

Micro$oft's decision to pull WMP should be VERY bad news for us in the Mac community. I know that some of us will roll our eyes to this, but think about it. More and more web sites now require WMP in order to listen to/view their media content.

There might also be a chance in this development.

When ProSieben (a major German television station) changed their website to use WMV instead of MPEG I went into their forum to raise my voice. There were several Linux people already. The webmaster replied and said that Windows Media Player is available for Mac also, so it's cross-platform and that's why they went with it.

Today WMV isn't cross-platform any more. You can either use WMV and only deliver to Windows folks, or you could use MPEG-4 and be playable on Windows, Mac, Linux, iPod, PSP, ... everything. Why would anybody not choose an open standard? It's a mystery to me.

rickey939 · Jan 13, 2006, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

There might also be a chance in this development.

When ProSieben (a major German television station) changed their website to use WMV instead of MPEG I went into their forum to raise my voice. There were several Linux people already. The webmaster replied and said that Windows Media Player is available for Mac also, so it's cross-platform and that's why they went with it.

Today WMV isn't cross-platform any more. You can either use WMV and only deliver to Windows folks, or you could use MPEG-4 and be playable on Windows, Mac, Linux, iPod, PSP, ... everything. Why would anybody not choose an open standard? It's a mystery to me.

Excellent theory...never thought of it that way.

RevEvs · Jan 13, 2006, 09:16 AM

But cant they just argue then that Flip4Mac is free, and reccomended by microsoft - thus WMV is supported?

analogika · Jan 13, 2006, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by alphasubzero949

First they pulled MSN

Huh? MSN is still available for Mac AFAIK.

And Roz Ho, MacBU spokesperson, went on the record at the Macworld Keynote on Tuesday saying that Messenger is still supported.

rickey939 · Jan 13, 2006, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by analogika

Huh? MSN is still available for Mac AFAIK.

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product...d=msnformacosx

TETENAL · Jan 13, 2006, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by RevEvs

But cant they just argue then that Flip4Mac is free, and reccomended by microsoft - thus WMV is supported?

They could and I don't expect any change soon, but I hope that more decision makers will now more clearly see that Windows Media is just that: for Windows only.

LiquidGuy · Jan 13, 2006, 12:07 PM

Now if only QT could play .AVI, I would be a happy Mac user.

TETENAL · Jan 13, 2006, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by LiquidGuy

Now if only QT could play .AVI, I would be a happy Mac user.

You are a happy Mac user.

fisherKing · Jan 13, 2006, 12:26 PM

check out http://www.divx.com/

macintologist · Jan 13, 2006, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by fisherKing

check out http://www.divx.com/

and www.3ivx.com

Better to install both.

jrafter · Jan 13, 2006, 03:59 PM

Flip4Mac works perfectly as a "stand alone" app, but when I try to view a WMV in Safari, all I get is the "You must install Windows Media Player" screen (yes, the Flip4Mac plug-ins are installed). How can I get these to play? Thanks in advance!

tooki · Jan 13, 2006, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by LiquidGuy

Now if only QT could play .AVI, I would be a happy Mac user.

AVI, like QuickTime, is a container format that can contain any number of video formats inside. QuickTime can open AVI "containers", but it may or may not have the codec for the video contained within. Some codecs can be downloaded, some can't.

tooki

analogika · Jan 13, 2006, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by rickey939

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product...d=msnformacosx

Ah sorry - mixed up MSN and MSN Messenger (which IS supported).

JKT · Jan 13, 2006, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by analogika

<snip>... MSN Messenger (which IS supported).

Barely...

JKT · Jan 13, 2006, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by jrafter

Flip4Mac works perfectly as a "stand alone" app, but when I try to view a WMV in Safari, all I get is the "You must install Windows Media Player" screen (yes, the Flip4Mac plug-ins are installed). How can I get these to play? Thanks in advance!

Did you check System Preferences>Flip4Mac WMV>Plug-in:

jrafter · Jan 13, 2006, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by JKT

Did you check System Preferences>Flip4Mac WMV>Plug-in:

Yes. Actually, the "Use Flip4Mac WMV Internet plug-in" option is checked but greyed out.

chabig · Jan 13, 2006, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by jrafter

Yes. Actually, the "Use Flip4Mac WMV Internet plug-in" option is checked but greyed out.

It's grayed out because you are in a user account, and that checkbox can only be changed from an admin account.

Chris

jrafter · Jan 13, 2006, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by chabig

It's grayed out because you are in a user account, and that checkbox can only be changed from an admin account.

Chris

Thank you for the suggestion, but I am in my one and only account, with full administrative privileges.

Big Mac · Jan 13, 2006, 08:39 PM

You may have an unlicensed version then.

The major problem with the discontinuation of WiMP is that Flip4Mac does not support streaming.

jrafter · Jan 13, 2006, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by jrafter

Yes. Actually, the "Use Flip4Mac WMV Internet plug-in" option is checked but greyed out.

Mystery solved! I had disabled the WMP plug-ins; when I re-enabled them, the Flip4Mac option was accessible.

Thank you all for your help!

alphasubzero949 · Jan 14, 2006, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

You may have an unlicensed version then.

The major problem with the discontinuation of WiMP is that Flip4Mac does not support streaming.

They're working on it...according to CraigS (the mod over there).

kcmac · Jan 14, 2006, 11:58 AM

Won't Apple just add this ability to QT themselves now that MS has dropped it?

JKT · Jan 14, 2006, 01:21 PM

No. They would have to pay MS to licence WMV.

Appleman · Jan 14, 2006, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by JKT

No. They would have to pay MS to licence WMV.

And how much wouold that be? 1 dollar per license? more? less?

besson3c · Jan 25, 2006, 08:03 PM

Seeing how the WM codecs for Quicktime are available to download off of Microsoft's site, I think it is fair game for anybody to do stuff with the WM-QT plug, but I could be mistaken.

CharlesS · Jan 25, 2006, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Seeing how the WM codecs for Quicktime are available to download off of Microsoft's site, I think it is fair game for anybody to do stuff with the WM-QT plug, but I could be mistaken.

Nope, to import into iMovie you need to buy the shareware one. The free version gives an error when you try it.

JKT · Jan 25, 2006, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Appleman

And how much wouold that be? 1 dollar per license? more? less?

Given that the cost of the QT plug-in for MPEG2 playback is $20 each time there is a new version of QT and that Apple charges $30 for QT Pro, do you honestly think that they want to increase the burden of pricing even further just so people can play an arch-enemy's codec, even if it were only $1 per licence (which is very unlikely)? Maybe I'm wrong and they would build it into QT but what it most definitely will not be is free. FWIW, they wouldn't just face the cost of the licensing fee either, but also the costs of supporting end-users with problems playing wmv files (e.g. all those DRMed wmv files that will never be playable on anything but Windows). I just don't see Apple taking on that burden for something that offers nothing to them in return.

all2ofme · Jan 26, 2006, 07:17 PM

Flip4Mac crashes anything that tries to access wmv, asf or such files on my machine. The computer was working perfectly before I installed it. Harrumph. Is there a simple uninstall for this beastie?

Meritocracy · Jan 26, 2006, 07:29 PM

Flip4Mac WMV Uninstaller. It's in your Flip4Mac folder located in Applications. Not exactly difficult to detect.

TheoCryst · Jan 26, 2006, 08:07 PM

Oddly enough, I have no issues with watching videos through Safari, but QT bugs out when I try to launch a WMV file off my desktop. Is this a known issue with Flip4Mac 2.0.1 and QT 7.0.4? I know that there are some issues with this version of QT...

all2ofme · Jan 27, 2006, 02:58 PM

Thanks Meritocracy - hadn't noticed that that was the uninstaller (in column view). Like the tone, too

Mediaman_12 · Jan 27, 2006, 05:06 PM

I asked about the Intel version, here is the answer.
Thanks for your interest in Flip4Mac! Our developers are working hard to revise the code to support the Intel version of the Mac. We hope to have this release available soon but I don't have a ETA for you! Watch our website for an announcement.

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BFerrentino · Nov 15, 2006, 03:57 PM

Just letting everyone know that we're having a problem with Quicktime 7.1.3 and our version Flip4Mac WMV 2.1

Most of you have probably noticed AVI and ASF files do not play video in Quicktime anymore. We're working on it. Just spreading the word.

Also finding out Quicktime is impossible to uninstall now that they got rid of the 7.0.1 reinstaller. Does anyone have one of those packages saved Flip4Mac could use?

kmkkid · Nov 15, 2006, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by BFerrentino

Just letting everyone know that we're having a problem with Quicktime 7.1.3 and our version Flip4Mac WMV 2.1

Most of you have probably noticed AVI and ASF files do not play video in Quicktime anymore. We're working on it. Just spreading the word.

Also finding out Quicktime is impossible to uninstall now that they got rid of the 7.0.1 reinstaller. Does anyone have one of those packages saved Flip4Mac could use?

Let me be the first to say: Your support is appalling. You've been promising a fix for months now in your forums. People depend on your product now that WMP for the Mac platform is dead. Get with it and fix the damn bugs, instead of promising fixes and not producing.

analogika · Nov 15, 2006, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by BFerrentino

Just letting everyone know that we're having a problem with Quicktime 7.1.3 and our version Flip4Mac WMV 2.1

Most of you have probably noticed AVI and ASF files do not play video in Quicktime anymore. We're working on it. Just spreading the word.

Also finding out Quicktime is impossible to uninstall now that they got rid of the 7.0.1 reinstaller. Does anyone have one of those packages saved Flip4Mac could use?

I have a 7.1.2 installer package lying around.

Do you mean to say that you are a developer of QuickTime plug-ins, and you don't keep all version installers of QuickTime archived on your company server?

What are you, licensed to Microsoft or something?

BFerrentino · Nov 15, 2006, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by kmkkid

Let me be the first to say: Your support is appalling. You've been promising a fix for months now in your forums. People depend on your product now that WMP for the Mac platform is dead. Get with it and fix the damn bugs, instead of promising fixes and not producing.

I appreciate the anguish over the time delays in our product.

The fact is: Neither Apple nor Microsoft really wants to help us out. We only recently obtained the needed code from Microsoft to fix the two pass VBR issues, and are working day and night to implement the code. Apple never gave us the 7.1.3 build, as per agreements previously made, and when we asked about it, they basically ignored us. Being a small company between two giants of the industry leaves you to pick up the pieces when and where you can. All the input our customers have been giving us has been great, and we really appreciate everyone having patience while we work towards perfecting the player and encoding capabilities.

Our goal: Play everything Windows Media Player can, and with the stability and quality a Mac can assure you.

As for the installers, I have installers for builds 6.5.2, 7.0.1-7.1.3. The issue I'm having is not having a 7.0.1 reinstaller availble. I'm a recent hire here, and previously Flip4Mac has been run with very few people(We're a part of Telestream, Inc.) and have recent hires, a lot has been overlooked. I'm here to help run this engine more smoothly. Once again, thanks for all the support. Look forward to hearing from you all again.

-Ben, Flip4Mac QA & Support

CharlesS · Nov 15, 2006, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by BFerrentino

Our goal: Play everything Windows Media Player can

Does this mean you intend to eventually support the DRMed files, such as the ones purchased from PlaysForSure (ha) music stores?

Atheist · Nov 15, 2006, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by kmkkid

Let me be the first to say: Your support is appalling. You've been promising a fix for months now in your forums. People depend on your product now that WMP for the Mac platform is dead. Get with it and fix the damn bugs, instead of promising fixes and not producing.

How much did they charge you for their software? What type of support agreement does it include?

analogika · Nov 16, 2006, 05:55 AM

BFerrentino, thanks for the clarification.

Looking forward to your future products and wish you the best of luck dealing with the situation.