[KCrosbie]

Figured this game could spawn its own thread. So Treyarch revealed its new game trailer the other day and I gotta say it looks like a worthy installment of the franchise. November 9th is the schedule release date and I'm sure most people will agree that it better include some sort of Zombie multiplayer mode.

Will it compare to MW2? I guess we'll find out come November.

Let's just pray it doesn't include the RIDICULOUS infinite enemy re-spawn if you don't progress gameplay like in WaW. God damn, that was annoying!

[Peter]

it's made by Treyarch so it'll probably suck.

[sek929]

I really thought the WaW single player campaign was very tiring and fairly unimaginative.

That said, I find their multiplayer level design to be a few steps ahead of Infinity Ward, and of course Nazi Zombies was a magnificent mini-game that could easily warrant an entire title in its name.

[The Final Dakar]

Gawd.

[SpaceMonkey]

Meh. I've already got CoD fatigue and I've only played one of them (MW2).

[boy8cookie]

Mad Catz Call of Duty Controllers, Glasses + Headset Combo

Precision Aim mode, which slows down the thumbsticks so you can get a better sniping experience

Do want.

[mkerr64]

i dont think this vietnam theme is going to be all that fun...

[mattyb]

I like the look of this.

[The Final Dakar]

I'm so glad we don't already have this thread.

http://forums.macnn.com/77/gaming/41...ck-ops-thread/

[mattyb]

Blow me. This thread has a better title.

[The Final Dakar]

Its the same title, only lacking the word "thread."

[Stogieman]

Can't wait. I already pre-ordered my copy of Halo Reach.

[sek929]

If they leave out Nazi Zombies they can count me out.

[The Final Dakar]

But is nazi zombies all its gonna take to get you in?

[boy8cookie]

Isn't BO Vietnam era? Why would there be Nazi zombies? Maybe gook zombies.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by boy8cookie 

Isn't BO Vietnam era? Why would there be Nazi zombies? Maybe gook zombies.

Are you suggesting that Call of Duty has some sort of logic?

[The Final Dakar]

Napalming zombies does have some allure, particularly if they're asian.

[sek929]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

But is nazi zombies all its gonna take to get you in?

Maybe not as an early-adopter, but if they do include a proper Zombie game then I have to buy it. Nazi Zombies in WaW was one of the funnest unexpected gaming hits of the last few years.

Honestly, it comes down to who buys it here. Most of my non-single-player experiences are with you guys, if you guys buy the game and play it then I will probably as well.

[The Final Dakar]

I think the obvious answer is this game will lack the consensus of MW2. In fact, there's no FPS right now that the forum is really highly anticipating. Likely thanks to the MW2 hangover.

[sek929]

I can barely even pretend to be excited about Reach.

Portal 2 and Fallout New Vegas are the only games I am looking forward to. If BO has Zombies then they probably have made a sale.

[The Final Dakar]

Yeah, there's two schools of thought regarding these middling multiplayer games:

1. Adopt early because it's your best chance to play with people
2. Adopt late and pay less for a game you don't care that much about

I have three shrink-wrapped games. Leaning towards 2.

[Stogieman]

Originally Posted by sek929 

I can barely even pretend to be excited about Reach.

Looks like Bogues and I will be the only ones to "start the fight" come September. We need two more members to join the Noble Four for some 4-player campaign co-op.

[The Final Dakar]

Sounds more like Halo: Reach-around.

[boy8cookie]

My brother and I are picking it up (Reach, not BO).

[Rumor]

Threads merged since it was the same topic.

That being said, I will probably rent it at least. I am backed up on games right now, still need to finish Transformers: WfC, haven't started Farcry 2 or Bioshock 2, stuck on stupid with Borderlands.

[KCrosbie]

Remote controlled cars used to blow enemies up? Nice!

Looks like you can record video as well in the game.

I've already bought Reach so I'm in to play.

[Leonard]

Originally Posted by Rumor 

That being said, I will probably rent it at least. I am backed up on games right now, still need to finish Transformers: WfC, haven't started Farcry 2 or Bioshock 2, stuck on stupid with Borderlands.

Bioshock 2 shouldn't take you too long to get through, the single-player is shorter than Bioshock 1. The multiplayer is fun too, but if you don't buy the DLC it's fairly short too.

Sounds like everyone is getting Halo: Reach. I guess I'll see you guys there, hopefully.

I'm glad I bought COD:MW2. Now I have something to compare with Halo in terms of good large population multi-player games.

[KCrosbie]

Originally Posted by sek929 

Maybe not as an early-adopter, but if they do include a proper Zombie game then I have to buy it. Nazi Zombies in WaW was one of the funnest unexpected gaming hits of the last few years.

Honestly, it comes down to who buys it here. Most of my non-single-player experiences are with you guys, if you guys buy the game and play it then I will probably as well.

Ask and ye shall receive...

Black Ops Zombies confirmed

Josh Ollin, Treyarch's community manager, has confirmed via a Twitter posting that Zombies will appear in Call of Duty: Black Ops;

"All 4 existing CoD: WaW Zombies maps will be included in Hardened & Prestige editions of COD Black Ops as callback co-op levels!"

Any news on this aspect of the game was, up until this point, purely speculative and unconfirmed, but all you Zombie hunters may now relax and breathe easily. As you see in his Twitter post, the four existing maps are to be bundled in the fantastic Hardened and Prestige editions of the title, which Zigs de-constructed for us recently . There's no news on new maps or exactly the kind of Zombie mayhem we can expect. You could assume it will be a direct lift from Call of Duty: World at War, but as the mode proved so popular, I'd say expect some more innovation and a couple of tweaks this time round.

At least it's a start, but that means you'll have to shell out extra money when you buy it for the hardened or prestige editions.


EDIT: Didn't see Dakar's post on the other Thread. Whoops!

[sek929]

Still not sold on this.

Now I'll have to pay more money than a regular price game, and there is no word on any NEW zombie content.

[KCrosbie]

Speaking of hardened and prestige copies...

Hardened Edition:

- Call of Duty: Black Ops full game
- Premium, special-edition SteelBook™ case
- Limited edition Black Ops collector’s medal w/display case
- 4 additional co-op maps not included in the standard edition of the game
- Special Black Ops Xbox Live or PlayStation Home avatar outfit

Prestige Edition:

The Prestige Edition is what every hardcore Call of Duty fan needs. It includes everything in the Hardened Edition, along with a real remote-control vehicle modeled after the in-game RC-XD killstreak reward! The RC-XD’s features include:

- Video & audio sent wirelessly to remote transmitter (200 ft. range)
- 2” backlit TFT 220 x176 color screen built into RC controller
- Digital proportional steering and throttle
- Independent suspension
- High and low speed settings
- Custom pistol grip style RC controller
- Display stand


The Hardened Edition will retail in the US for $79.99, and the Prestige Edition will cost $149.99. There's no official word on prices elsewhere, but I'm sure if you check your local online retailers they'll have some prices up. Both the Prestige and Hardened Editions of the game are available for pre-order now, scheduled for release with Black Ops on November 9th.

So that means you gotta drop at least another $20 if you want the WaW maps.

That prestige copy is ridiculous!

[sek929]

I already spent 30 on them the first go-around.

New maps or bust.

[KCrosbie]

So basically what I can see is that most people here have a hangover from MW2. What are some of the other reasons that would prevent you from getting it? What is it about Treyarch that turns people off? It sounds to me that they're making some big improvements over WaW, especially with forge and theater modes.

And they WILL add new zombie maps. They'd be stupid if they didn't.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by KCrosbie 

So basically what I can see is that most people here have a hangover from MW2. What are some of the other reasons that would prevent you from getting it? What is it about Treyarch that turns people off? It sounds to me that they're making some big improvements over WaW, especially with forge and theater modes.

Because no one cares about Vietnam or old weapons. Forge and theater mode aren't a reason to buy a game, either.

I also like that you're trying to talk us into getting another CoD when you played about 6 hrs of the last one with us.

[KCrosbie]

At what point did I say you should get this game? I'm only pointing out the details and trying to figure out what turns you off from getting the game.

Also get your facts straight. It was 7 hours that I played with you on MW2, not 6.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by KCrosbie 

At what point did I say you should get this game?

You don't want me to get this game? You don't love me anymore.

[boy8cookie]

Winning Big, Losing Big In Call of Duty: Black Op's Four Wager Modes

Blargh, just when I thought I could ignore this (and all other 360 titles)...

[The Final Dakar]

Those all sounds like FFA.

[KCrosbie]

Gun game reminds me of my Counterstrike Source playing days where you progress through each weapon when you kill someone. I was always a huge fan of that mod.

I think I'm getting this game now.

[The Final Dakar]

More than a dozen Call of Duty: Black Ops killstreak bonuses revealed | Joystiq

3 Kills – Spy Plane
3 Kills – RC-XD (RC bomb)
4 Kills – Counter Spy Plane
4 Kills – SAM Turret
5 Kills – Care Package
5 Kills – Napalm Strike
6 Kills – Sentry Gun
6 Kills – Mortar Team
7 Kills – Attack Helicopter
7 Kills – Valkyrie Rockets
8 Kills – Blackbird
8 Kills – "Rolling Thunder"
9 Kills – Chopper Gunner
11 Kills – Attack Dogs
11 Kills – Gunship

[boy8cookie]

How are Attack Dogs == Gunship?

[mattyb]

Dunno where this came from, possibly se7ensins forum. I copied it word for word.

==================================================

list of confirmed info

No open beta, only an internal closed beta
➣ Only 50 player levels (rank)
➣ JD says "It takes about as long to get to 50 as it took to get to 65 in WaW"
➣ Confirmed prestige mode
➣ There are only 5 prestige levels
➣ Some snipers have selectable zoom
➣ Akimbo is back
➣ A few small semi automatics
➣ Scorpion is back
➣ M14 is back
➣ Famas is fully auto
➣ M16 is 3 round burst
➣ M16 is a starting weapon
➣ Infrared Scopes on assault rifles
➣ Shotguns have fair range
➣ Shotguns are now primaries
➣ Scoreboard shows k/d ratio
➣ Game winning kill now called Final Killcam
➣ Purple heart death icon returns from COD: WaW
➣ When you sprint to prone you do a dive move
➣ You can still dropshot
➣ Unranked servers allow full customization (PC)
➣ Ranked servers allow map customization (PC)
➣ Servers are from gameservers.com (PC)
➣ Will be DRM'd via Steam. Mainly done for VAC's Anti Cheat
➣ Beta not confirmed nor denied. Not allowed to talk about a beta
➣ Launcher attachments to exists. Not on all weapons
➣ No red dot snipers
➣ Rank up and unlock weapons or purchase weapons early with CP
➣ Killcam is called Nemesis Killcam
➣ XP Bar is shown when you press Start
➣ Maps when using killstreaks and when pressing start are broken up into quadrants. ie. A1, A2. C3
➣ Accolades are replaced with Awards
➣ Shows your top weapon and how many kills you got with it
➣ Party Privacy / Search Preferences
➣ Press Y to view friends list
➣ Normal challenges still exist

Maps:
➣ Map specific challenges. Such as finding a shortcut in a map
➣ Choice to vote for two maps or a random map
➣ Levels are snowy, urban, jungle
➣ Summit - A snowy mountain base
➣ Launch - The rocket map in the teaser trailer
➣ Radiation - An abandoned power station
➣ Cracked - A secluded town in shambles
➣ Slaughter House - Decimated urban area in Vietnam
Perks

➣ Deathstreaks are gone
➣ No commando, danger close, one many army, stopping power. or juggernaut
➣ Takes longer to kill (Was compared to that of Cod2)
➣ Pro Perks are back
➣ Bling returns as Warlord
➣ All players will be able to see your tier 1 perk

Tier 1 Perks:
➣ Lightweight - Move faster
➣ Scavenger - Resupply from dead bodies | Pro: Replenish lethal grenades
➣ Ghost - Undetectable by the Spy Plane and the Blackbird
➣ Flak Jacket - Extra explosive resistance
➣ Hardline - Killstreaks 1 kill early

Tier 2 Perks:
➣ Hardened - Extra bullet penetration
➣ Scout - Hold breath longer
➣ Steady Aim - Increased hip-fire accuracy
➣ Sleight of Hand - Faster Reload
➣ Warlord - Equip 2 attachments to your primary weapon

Tier 3 Perks:
➣ Marathon - Longer sprint
➣ Ninja - Silent Movement
➣ Second Chance - Pull out pistol before dying
➣ Hacker - Detect enemy equipment and explosives
➣ Tactical Mask - Reduces the effect of flash and concussion grenades

Killstreaks

➣ Killstreaks only go to 11
➣ Gunship is highest killstreak
➣ Dogs are back
➣ Killstreaks don't count towards other killstreaks
➣ Killstreaks seem more balanced
➣ RC car has no set time limit and is easy to control but leaves the player very vulnerable and can be destroyed easily
➣ SAM Turret can take out helicopters
➣ Carepackages drop special guns - Death Machine and Grim Reaper
➣ Death Machine is a minigun
➣ Grim Reaper is a guided rocket launcher
➣ 3 – Spy Plane - Shows enemies on minimap, can be shot down
➣ 3 – RC XD - Remote controlled car strapped with explosives
➣ 4 – Counter Spy Plane $1600 - Temporarily disables enemy mini-map
➣ 4 – Sam Turret $1600 - Airdrop a placeable SAM turret that destroys aircraft
➣ 5 – Care Package - Airdrop a random killstreak or ammo crate
➣ 5 – Napalm Strike - Airstrike that covers an area in napalm
➣ 6 – Sentry Gun $3200 - Airdrop a placeable sentry gun
➣ 6 – Mortar Team - Target three locations to bombard with Mortar Strikes
➣ 7 – Attack Helicopter - Call in a support helicopter
➣ 7 – Valkyrie Rockets $4000 - Launcher with remote controlled rockets
➣ 8 – BlackBird $4500 - Shows both enemy position and direction on the mini map. Can not be shot down.
➣ 8 – Rolling Thunder $4500 - Carpet bombing airstrike.
➣ 9 – Chopper Gunner $5000 - Be the gunner of an attack helicopter.
➣ 11 – Attack Dogs $6000 - Attack dogs that hunt the enemy down.
➣ 11 – Gunship $6000 - Pilot an Attack Helicopter.


Wages Game Modes

➣ Wage your COD Points
➣ Put your COD Points on the line and wager on matches
➣ Top 3 players earn COD Points, rest lose their COD Points
➣ One in the Chamber - Start with a pistol with only 1 bullet. Miss and have to rely on your knife. Kill to get another bullet. Only 3 lives.
➣ Gun Game - Same as the CS/Cod4/5/6 mod where you start with a knife and kill to be given a new weapon.
➣ Sharpshooter - All players start with a random weapon, after a certain amount of time everyone receives a new weapon
➣ Sticks & Stones - Crossbow, Ballistic Knife, and Tomahawk
➣ In some game modes the kill leader is shown as a glowing gold dot to other players
➣ Barebones is back
➣ Hardcore modes are back


Contracts

➣ Contracts are time limited challenges
➣ There are 3 categories - Mercenaries, Operations, and Specialist
➣ Each is attached to certain play styles and in-game achievements

Mercenary:
➣ SPAS Cruelty
➣ Twin Mags
➣ Lord of the SMG
➣ AK47u Ferocity
➣ AUG Ferocity
➣ Assault Rifle Prodigy
➣ Smells like...Victory
➣ Blackbird In Position
➣ Attack Dogs Unleashed
➣ MPL Brutality

Operations:
➣ TDM Victor
➣ CTF Tornado
➣ Headquarters Tornado
➣ TDM Bloodbath
➣ Domination Blood Bath
➣ S&D Blood Bath
➣ Free-For-All Warrior
➣ Headquarters Barbarian
➣ CTF Titan
➣ Demolition Warlord

Specialist:
➣ Steel Meets Spine
➣ Scorched
➣ M72 LAW Killer
➣ Ballistic Knife Killer
➣ Tears Taste So Sweet
➣ WA2000 Expert
➣ A True Soldier
➣ Elite Precision

Combat Training

➣ Designed to introduce a new type of COD player who never takes the game online.
➣ Allows you to play against bots (AI)
➣ Rank progression separate from online multiplayer
➣ Play solo or with friends
➣ Great for map tactics, warmups, screwing around etc

Create a Class 2.0

➣ Start with 5 custom classes
➣ Gain an additional 5 from prestiges 1 - 5
➣ Can still rename custom classes
➣ You can see the look of your character
➣ Tier 1 perks change the appearance of your character model
➣ Tactical/Lethal grenades are thrown with RB
➣ Equipment is placed with LB
➣ A lot of painted (camos) weapons
➣ Flamethrowers, Sniper Rifles, Shotguns, everything can be customized from things you earn and unlock
➣ Customize your weapon with your emblem, etched clan tag, reticule, reticule color, and more
➣ Change your Lens type
➣ Described as "Gun Porn"

Menu Layout:
➣ Primary - Submachine Guns, Assault Rifles, Shotguns, Light Machine Guns, Sniper Rifles
➣ Secondary - Pistols, Launchers, Specials
➣ Lethal
➣ Tactical
➣ Equipment
➣ Perk 1
➣ Perk 2
➣ Perk 3
➣ Face Paint

Primary Weapons

Assault Rifles:
➣ M14
➣ Famas
➣ Enfield
➣ Falil
➣ Aug
➣ AK47
➣ FN Fal
➣ M16
➣ Commando
➣ Classified

Submachine Guns:
➣ Skorpion
➣ MAC11
➣ AK47u
➣ MP5K
➣ Uzi
➣ MPL
➣ Spectre
➣ PM63
➣ Classified

Shotguns:
➣ Skateout
➣ Olympia
➣ SPAS
➣ Classified

Light Machine Guns:
➣ RPK
➣ M60
➣ HK21
➣ Classified

Sniper Rifles:
➣ WA2000
➣ L96A1
➣ Dragunov
➣ Classified

Secondary Weapons

Pistols:
➣ M1911
➣ Markarov
➣ ASP
➣ Python
➣ Classified

Launchers:
➣ RPG
➣ M72
➣ China Lake
➣ Strela

Special:
➣ Crossbow
➣ Ballistic Knife

Misc

Tactical Grenades:
➣ Nova Gas
➣ Flash Bang
➣ Concussion
➣ Decoy - A non-lethal grenade that creates false radar blips by shooting
➣ Willy Pete - Smoke

Lethal:
➣ Semtex
➣ Frag
➣ Tomahawk - Throwing axe

Equipment:
➣ C4
➣ Tactical Insertions
➣ Claymore
➣ Camera Spike
➣ Motion Sensor
➣ Jammer

Some Primary Attachments:
➣ Extended Mags
➣ Dual Mags - 500C
➣ ACOG Scope
➣ Red Dot Sight
➣ Reflex - 750C
➣ Masterkey (Undermounted shotgun) - 750C
➣ Flamethrower - 750C
➣ Infrared Scope - 1000C
➣ Grenade Launcher - 1000C

Some Secondary Attachments:
➣ ACOG Sight
➣ Snub Nose
➣ Speed Reloader
➣ Dual Wield

Camouflage
➣ None
➣ Dusty
➣ Ice
➣ Red
➣ Olive
➣ Nevada
➣ Sahara
➣ ERDL
➣ Tiger
➣ Berlin
➣ Warsaw
➣ Siberia
➣ Yukon
➣ Woodland
➣ Flora
➣ Classified

Reticules:
➣ Dot
➣ Semi-circle
➣ Line with dot
➣ Circle
➣ Smiley
➣ Arrows horizontal
➣ Arrows vertical
➣ Arrows with dot
➣ Boxes
➣ Burst
➣ Circle within a circle
➣ Circle with dot
➣ Circle with crosshairs
➣ Circle with inner line
➣ Circle with outer line
➣ Circle with arrows
➣ Circle with triangles
➣ Outer crosshairs
➣ Small crosshairs
➣ Large crosshairs
➣ Diamond
➣ Diamond outline
➣ Heart
➣ Radiation
➣ Skull
➣ Square
➣ Square outline
➣ Star
➣ 3 dots
➣ Treyarch
➣ Triangle
➣ Outer triangles
➣ x
➣ X with dot
➣ Ying yang

Reticule Colors:
➣ Red
➣ Green
➣ Blue
➣ Purple/Pink
➣ Teal
➣ Yellow
➣ Orange

COD Points

➣ Leveling up revolves around currency now
➣ Replaces level unlocks
➣ Buy weapons, attachments, perks, titles, and emblems with COD Points
➣ Flamethrower is an attachment for 750C
➣ ClanTags are purchased for 1000C
➣ CP is awarded every time you play
➣ Earn CP kills, wins, k/d ration, gambling, etc
➣ Various answered questions can be found here: http://www.se7ensins...ost__p__2103679

Emblem Editor

➣ Ability to create your own emblems
➣ Emblems can be placed on your weapons
➣ 12 layers for emblems
➣ A lot of colors to chose from
➣ Purchase different emblem stocks with COD Points. Such as a skull, arrows, horse, bunny, and a ton more

Theater

➣ Theater is for all platforms
➣ Slow-mo and Speed up effects
➣ Free camera, third person, or first person views
➣ View any player's perspective
➣ Treyarch out to top Bungie's theater
➣ You can make highlight reels
➣ All LIVE games are playable
➣ Allows tagging and sharing

==================================================

[The Final Dakar]

The perks look awful.

[mattyb]

Not that I've ever seen the Halo films that you guys made, but I do hope that the theatre stuff is good. I miss out on capturing stuff due to playing on a PC monitor.

[mattyb]

Nice.

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by mattyb 

Nice.

Definitely looks nice.

I love the idea of currency, but I admit that I'm going to miss my Stopping Power.

[The Final Dakar]

Stopping Power has been so maligned (particularly in the absence of Juggernaut) that I think its a worth experiment to remove it.

My only gripe is I used it to compensate for lag, but then again, you're still ****ed if the guy lag-raping you has it too.

[Jawbone54]

SP is what helped compensate for my lack of accuracy. My K/D wound up being around average, but my accuracy was always in the bottom 1/4 of my friends list.

[The Final Dakar]

Personally, I didn't find a correlation between accuracy and kill/death (outside of the bottom of the spectrum).

[Jawbone54]

You might have if I hadn't used Stopping Power over Cold-Blooded 90% of the time.

[mattyb]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

You might have if I hadn't used Stopping Power over Cold-Blooded 90% of the time.

The worse part of std game-types was the number of bullets needed to kill someone if you didn't have SP on. Lets hope Treyarch do better, although I seem to remember in one of the vids that the mighty hutch did, he said that he found it harder to kill people. Reminded him of CoD2.

I just want a sniper rifle to kill you with one shot on the torso, even with a silencer.