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ARENA · Jun 27, 2002, 09:59 PM

I love the new look! and i'm very happy using it in 10.1
Thanks for the file Jan Van.

Mongrel · Jun 27, 2002, 11:02 PM

Thanks for the resources! I love the changes. One thing, though, I noticed using both the extras file and the duality version: in the screenshots, the finder's "back" button has changed, but not in the files that were posted. The current back button is one of my least favorite things, as it looks so unmatched by the "view" buttons. Any way we can get a version with that inlcluded?

Thanks in advance!

zazou · Jun 27, 2002, 11:40 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mongrel:
Thanks for the resources! I love the changes. One thing, though, I noticed using both the extras file and the duality version: in the screenshots, the finder's "back" button has changed, but not in the files that were posted. The current back button is one of my least favorite things, as it looks so unmatched by the "view" buttons. Any way we can get a version with that inlcluded?

Thanks in advance!<hr /></blockquote>Finder buttons are located in the .app itself... they are not changed by the Extras File.

Guy Incognito · Jun 28, 2002, 12:06 AM

Yup...after using that New-Aqua Extra.rsrc, I can definately say I love the new look!

It's way more lively that the old look. The tabs in Chimera and Adium actually look half-decent.

Heck...I can't figure out why but the whole OS even seems Snappier� with the new look...probably my imagination but, hey, if it feels faster, good for me.

It shouldn't be called Aqua anymore though...maybe 'Rounded Glass' or 'Smooth Ice' or something.

undotwa · Jun 28, 2002, 02:52 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mactropolis:
Am I the only one here who isn't especally digg'in this new glassy, flat look?

I think the old one was better. It added a nice 'depth' to the screen. This flat, shinny look appears to fake. I like visible 3D objects on the screen. Then again, I haven't use this build in person, so I don't know what its really like. A screen shot isn't always demonstrative of the true interface qualities.<hr /></blockquote>Umm the previous one wasn't anymore 3D. They've just toned down the shadows (outer and inner) giving you more readable text and brighter interface. Tabs are a welcome change.

Jan Van Boghout · Jun 28, 2002, 03:03 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ARENA:
I love the new look! and i'm very happy using it in 10.1
Thanks for the file Jan Van.<hr /></blockquote>

It's actually Jan Van Boghout like first name: Jan and last name: Van Boghout

Anyway, I think I'm going to remove it now, I don't want any troubles with Apple or something. I'm guessing a lot of you can help each other now, not?

TC · Jun 28, 2002, 04:10 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jan Van Boghout:
I'm guessing a lot of you can help each other now, not?<hr /></blockquote>I just had a Wayne�s World flashback.

Lew · Jun 28, 2002, 04:49 AM

Anyone else notice that they seem to have toned down the 'pulsing' of the default buttons? I just compared the button on Duality's preview to the one on Internet Connect and it's much more subtle now.

Diggory Laycock · Jun 28, 2002, 05:13 AM

Screen Shot from Appearance Sample App + theme

<img src="http://www.monkeyfood.com/thestuff/food/Screenshots/AppearanceSample_theme.png" alt=" - " />

Lew · Jun 28, 2002, 05:36 AM

Here's a side-by-side with 10.1.x Aqua:

Jaguar
<img src="http://www.monkeyfood.com/thestuff/food/Screenshots/AppearanceSample_theme.png" alt=" - " />

10.1.5
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/lwernham/.Pictures/AquaSample.png" alt=" - " />

Jim Paradise · Jun 28, 2002, 05:51 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mactropolis:
Am I the only one here who isn't especally digg'in this new glassy, flat look?

I think the old one was better. It added a nice 'depth' to the screen. This flat, shinny look appears to fake. I like visible 3D objects on the screen. Then again, I haven't use this build in person, so I don't know what its really like. A screen shot isn't always demonstrative of the true interface qualities.<hr /></blockquote>Exactly what my thoughts are on this change to Aqua's widgets... The 3D'ness to the widgets just adds so much depth. I've always liked Aqua a lot better than Platinum because Platinum was just too flat and boring (well, among other things). Not character or depth of feeling to it.

Jim Paradise · Jun 28, 2002, 05:54 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GFive:
Here's a side-by-side with 10.1.x Aqua:

Jaguar
<img src="http://www.monkeyfood.com/thestuff/food/Screenshots/AppearanceSample_theme.png" alt=" - " />

10.1.5
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/lwernham/.Pictures/AquaSample.png" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>The 10.1 interface is so much nicer, especially the radio buttons. The only thing that I like better in the Jaguar interface is the tabs because they look a little cleaner/take up less space.

I really hope Apple doesn't use these new widgets in Jaguar (well, except for the tabs). I suppose if they do someone will just make a 10.1 theme and I'll slap that on to use.

Jim Paradise · Jun 28, 2002, 05:56 AM

The thing that is most annoying looking at these screenshots is at how *white* everything looks. For those who thought Aqua was white enough, this just isn't helping...

It also looks more cartoonish.

[ 06-28-2002, 05:57 AM: Message edited by: Jim Paradise ]

Spheric Harlot · Jun 28, 2002, 06:03 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jim Paradise:
The 10.1 interface is so much nicer, especially the radio buttons. The only thing that I like better in the Jaguar interface is the tabs because they look a little cleaner/take up less space.

I really hope Apple doesn't use these new widgets in Jaguar (well, except for the tabs). I suppose if they do someone will just make a 10.1 theme and I'll slap that on to use.<hr /></blockquote>Note that those two screenshots are at different color resolutions.

You can't really compare depth/polish when one of the images is in 256 colors, and the other in thousands.

-spheric*

Jim Paradise · Jun 28, 2002, 06:09 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jim Paradise:
The 10.1 interface is so much nicer, especially the radio buttons. The only thing that I like better in the Jaguar interface is the tabs because they look a little cleaner/take up less space.

I really hope Apple doesn't use these new widgets in Jaguar (well, except for the tabs). I suppose if they do someone will just make a 10.1 theme and I'll slap that on to use.<hr /></blockquote>Note that those two screenshots are at different color resolutions.

You can't really compare depth/polish when one of the images is in 256 colors, and the other in thousands.

-spheric*<hr /></blockquote>I didn't realize that but looking closely at the ol' Minimize, etc. buttons it's a little more clear, thanks. I suppose I'll have to see another comparison then with both shots being done in the same resolution!

However, I thought 256 colours made the whole systems colours look completely off? At least that's been my experience so far with 256 colours and X...?

nickm · Jun 28, 2002, 07:27 AM

Interesting... It appears that the didn't "fix" the fact that that lighting on the vertical scrollbars is different from all other widgets. The vertical scrollbars should appear lit from the top, but they are highlighted on the side, because they are just a vertical version of the horizontal scrollbars, which are highlighted on the top. I would love a MacOS X mod that changed just this one thing about aqua.

Also, Graphite screenshots anyone?

Liudger · Jun 28, 2002, 07:59 AM

10.1.5
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/lwernham/.Pictures/AquaSample.png" alt=" - " />

10.1.5 with Duality Jaguar theme
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/liudger/.Pictures/jag.tiff" alt=" - " />

ok i hope this is a better comparison.

JLL · Jun 28, 2002, 08:23 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jim Paradise:
The thing that is most annoying looking at these screenshots is at how *white* everything looks. For those who thought Aqua was white enough, this just isn't helping...

It also looks more cartoonish.<hr /></blockquote>More white? It looks the same

JLL · Jun 28, 2002, 08:24 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Liudger:
ok i hope this is a better comparison.

<hr /></blockquote>Not until you post the Jaguar image <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Jim Paradise · Jun 28, 2002, 09:33 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JLL:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jim Paradise:
The thing that is most annoying looking at these screenshots is at how *white* everything looks. For those who thought Aqua was white enough, this just isn't helping...

It also looks more cartoonish.<hr /></blockquote>More white? It looks the same

<hr /></blockquote>The buttons are more white (or at least they appear so to me).

Jim Paradise · Jun 28, 2002, 09:34 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Liudger:
10.1.5
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/lwernham/.Pictures/AquaSample.png" alt=" - " />

10.1.5 with Duality Jaguar theme
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/liudger/.Pictures/jag.tiff" alt=" - " />

ok i hope this is a better comparison.

<hr /></blockquote>Yup... still looks cartoony and lacking depth/character. *grr*

Thanks for the comparison, though.

eno · Jun 28, 2002, 09:48 AM

A million thankyous to the person who posted the Extras.rsrc file with the 10.2 resources and without stripes.

I really like the new tabs and buttons -- the increased clarity, the sharpness, the glassiness. I am not a fan of the radio buttons and check boxes though: too flat...

But all the same, I am not going to throw a fit like some have here and threaten to go back to OS 9, or switch to Windows, or any other ridiculous nonsense.

The only thing that makes me feel misgivings about keeping on using this Extras.rsrc file is that it might take some of the novelty out of using 10.2 when it truly arrives. It won't seem as "new" as it could... we'll see...

jblakeh1 · Jun 28, 2002, 10:07 AM

anyone want to repost the rsrc? pleez?

JLL · Jun 28, 2002, 11:45 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DasDaSein+:
 <img src="http://homepage.mac.com/bmeyer/screen4.jpg" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>Hmm� I wonder if we can thank Pavel Cisler for the Show Info function.

Pavel Cisler designed BeOS' Tracker, worked on eazel and Nautilus, and is now working on the Finder at Apple.

Look at this screenshot from Nautilus:

<a href="http://spud.osnews.com/osnews/img/1280/gnome2.jpg" target="_blank">http://spud.osnews.com/osnews/img/1280/gnome2.jpg</a>

Guy Incognito · Jun 28, 2002, 11:50 AM

I guess we do need to thank that guy.

Not sure I like the 'max capacity and free space left' info underneath the hard drive icons on the desktop though.

[ 06-28-2002, 11:56 AM: Message edited by: Guy Incognito ]

kovacs · Jun 28, 2002, 11:54 AM

Thanks for the extras.rsrc file

[ 06-28-2002, 12:17 PM: Message edited by: kovacs ]

zazou · Jun 28, 2002, 11:56 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jblakeh1:
anyone want to repost the rsrc? pleez?<hr /></blockquote>Try Page 2. They worked for me.

BTW, the duality package contains the rsrc file also

BuonRotto · Jun 28, 2002, 12:03 PM

Funny, while the white/silver buttons are easier to read, the blue/aqua ones are darker and harder to read. They've basically upped the contrast at the edges and lowered it in the midtones. Good idea, but the aqua blue button could use a slightly lighter blue.

Sine · Jun 28, 2002, 03:48 PM

I got Simple Aqua changed over.

Looks REALLY good. I like the buttons TONS better.

<img src="http://sinewave.wirefire.com/forums/simplenew.png" alt=" - " />

joestitzlein · Jun 28, 2002, 03:55 PM

hey sine. looks great. how about posting the theme?

or can you email it to me?

[email protected]

thanks man, good work.

Sine · Jun 28, 2002, 04:01 PM

I will tomorrow, I still need to work on the title bars and a few things more, polish it out.

I really like this, makes Aqua more tolerable. It would be cool if they do what they did to the buttons, to the scrollbars.

smeger · Jun 28, 2002, 04:25 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by nickm:
Interesting... It appears that the didn't "fix" the fact that that lighting on the vertical scrollbars is different from all other widgets. The vertical scrollbars should appear lit from the top, but they are highlighted on the side, because they are just a vertical version of the horizontal scrollbars, which are highlighted on the top. I would love a MacOS X mod that changed just this one thing about aqua.

Also, Graphite screenshots anyone?<hr /></blockquote>I noticed this while writing a custom interface widget. In Project Builder, there are vertically-aligned tab views that have the same lighting. It looks like Apple's rational is that the content is a light-source. There are picture resources for top tabs, bottom tabs, left tabs and right tabs and in all of 'em, the light source is the content. Ditto with scrollbars.

Just an observation

DasDaSein+ · Jun 28, 2002, 04:31 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Guy Incognito:
I guess we do need to thank that guy.

Not sure I like the 'max capacity and free space left' info underneath the hard drive icons on the desktop though.<hr /></blockquote>Yepp, that one's ugly - but you may activate infos for each window separately, so for desktop.

KidRed · Jun 28, 2002, 08:15 PM

I'm running the 10.2 rscr file and wow, I love the new buttons. Soemone posted a stripeless version so that what I have. It is whiter, the menus are a shade away from being white. But it does look good.

Thanks to those who posted them! This is cool.

Now i wish unsanity can use the 10.2 sounds posted also into their Xsounds app, so we can experience those sounds now!!

Eddies in the aether · Jun 28, 2002, 09:48 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jim Paradise:
The thing that is most annoying looking at these screenshots is at how *white* everything looks. For those who thought Aqua was white enough, this just isn't helping...

It also looks more cartoonish.<hr /></blockquote>I prefer white, Ive been playing around with some of the grey/purple themes, text on such backgrounds looses contrast, makes it harder to read. Cause it helps to kill the transparency� <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" />

Eddies in the aether · Jun 28, 2002, 09:51 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jim Paradise:
The thing that is most annoying looking at these screenshots is at how *white* everything looks. For those who thought Aqua was white enough, this just isn't helping...

It also looks more cartoonish.<hr /></blockquote>I prefer white, Ive been playing around with some of the grey/purple themes, text on such backgrounds looses contrast, makes it harder to read. Cause it helps to kill the transparency� <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" />

Eddies in the aether · Jun 28, 2002, 09:52 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jim Paradise:
The thing that is most annoying looking at these screenshots is at how *white* everything looks. For those who thought Aqua was white enough, this just isn't helping...

It also looks more cartoonish.<hr /></blockquote>I prefer white, Ive been playing around with some of the grey/purple themes, text on such backgrounds looses contrast, makes it harder to read. Cause it helps to kill the transparency� <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" />

nickm · Jun 28, 2002, 11:00 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> It looks like Apple's rational is that the content is a light-source. There are picture resources for top tabs, bottom tabs, left tabs and right tabs and in all of 'em, the light source is the content. Ditto with scrollbars.
<hr /></blockquote>No, I think this is just laziness on someone's part. They rendered "top tabs" with top lighting, and then to get right tabs, they rotated those 90 degrees. Think about it, the different tabs you described are just rotated versions of one another. To be honest, I'm surprised they didn't pay attention to this detail...

Mac The Fork · Jun 28, 2002, 11:49 PM

Blame everything on Bas Ording.

MrBS · Jun 29, 2002, 06:45 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eddies in the aether:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jim Paradise:
The thing that is most annoying looking at these screenshots is at how *white* everything looks. For those who thought Aqua was white enough, this just isn't helping...

It also looks more cartoonish.<hr /></blockquote>I prefer white, Ive been playing around with some of the grey/purple themes, text on such backgrounds looses contrast, makes it harder to read. Cause it helps to kill the transparency� <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>1-2-3 and he's spent.

~BS

Liudger · Jun 29, 2002, 07:05 AM

When i installed 6c63 (the install cd of 6c75 didn't work) I saw that not only the widgets where different but the whole gui was redesigned!!
The stripes where not so clear as the used to. And sometimes disappeared.
When you go to menu end you select a item you see a massive blue selection not with stripes!! Maybe this is a bug in new rendering engine or it is a real new design (i think)
Also everything is much clearer to read and find. Maybe the buttons are less 3d but they are much better to read.
Now waiting to get a working cd from apple.

greets liudger

stitzlein · Jun 29, 2002, 11:30 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mac The Fork:
Blame everything on Bas Ording.<hr /></blockquote>naughty, naughty mac the fork. so has bas gotten his beta of director yet? or is he still in classic?

Andrew 8808 · Jun 29, 2002, 05:18 PM

OK, I applied the new RSRC and it's fine and dandy, and Mozilla was working fine, but now, Mozilla doesn't work at all. Anyone else notice this?

Krypton · Jun 30, 2002, 09:13 AM

I like the new look, but it's a little difficult using it full time as some of the widgets in 10.1 seem to have gone - if you go into Create, the up and down arrow widgets used for adjusting things aren't there in the new Extras.rsrc.

Is this because they aren't present in the Jaguar builds yet? - or did someone forget to put them into the file?

Jan Van Boghout · Jun 30, 2002, 09:29 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Krypton:
Is this because they aren't present in the Jaguar builds yet? - or did someone forget to put them into the file?

<hr /></blockquote>I think I did something wrong with the arrows because they are there, but I don't see them either. If you click on them, they do appear. I'll try to fix it�

On a side note, I think I am starting to understand this design change. Has anyone noticed how much better it looks in Photoshop?? The small checkboxes and everything else were horrible, but now they actually look nice. Same for other pro apps. And in the 'ordinary' apps it looks good too so everybody is happy

It just seems like badly designed apps look better with this new Aqua�

Jim Paradise · Jun 30, 2002, 11:41 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MrBS:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eddies in the aether:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jim Paradise:
The thing that is most annoying looking at these screenshots is at how *white* everything looks. For those who thought Aqua was white enough, this just isn't helping...

It also looks more cartoonish.<hr /></blockquote>I prefer white, Ive been playing around with some of the grey/purple themes, text on such backgrounds looses contrast, makes it harder to read. Cause it helps to kill the transparency� <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>1-2-3 and he's spent.

~BS<hr /></blockquote>*splatch*?

Sine · Jun 30, 2002, 02:35 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Andrew 8808:
OK, I applied the new RSRC and it's fine and dandy, and Mozilla was working fine, but now, Mozilla doesn't work at all. Anyone else notice this?<hr /></blockquote>Same thing happened to Photoshop with me.

So I got the extras.rsrc myself and modified my present one.

Works fine now.

Sine · Jun 30, 2002, 02:37 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Krypton:
I like the new look, but it's a little difficult using it full time as some of the widgets in 10.1 seem to have gone - if you go into Create, the up and down arrow widgets used for adjusting things aren't there in the new Extras.rsrc.

Is this because they aren't present in the Jaguar builds yet? - or did someone forget to put them into the file?

<hr /></blockquote>Had that happen to me too, then I edit the rsrc myself, Works fine now, will upload it as soon as I do some anal pixel work.

Krypton · Jun 30, 2002, 03:08 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Had that happen to me too, then I edit the rsrc myself, Works fine now, will upload it as soon as I do some anal pixel work.<hr /></blockquote>Thank you

It'll tide me over till Proteus 2 shows up

silverghost · Jun 30, 2002, 03:31 PM

hi all, wow i didnt think that the new gui elements were all that great till i tried it out myself, and its way better for me. i use flash (basicly the whole macromedia line) and photoshop daily and the whole gui looks more eye pleasing. well just my .02.

p.s i eagerly await your polished jaguar theme sine.

aloha