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I'm thinking of buying a new MBP 2.0 or 2.16 but after reading about so many problems maybe I should just wait for the new MBP to be released.
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This sort of question has been asked way too many times...
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If you've waited this long, I'd wait another 2 months to pick up Merom ("free" 20-30% performance improvement) and hope they resolve the whine with a new logic board revision.
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I'm waiting until Merom, but then I have a 1.67GHz PowerBook, so I can afford to wait.
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You should wait at least two more generations, because rumor has it that Apple will even furter improve the MBP line.
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Originally Posted by andreas_g4
You should wait at least two more generations, because rumor has it that Apple will even furter improve the MBP line.
Using that logic you should wait indefinately since Apple will "probably" continue to offer more performance improvements. I'd suggest to wait until Merom comes out and jump in.
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I think andreas was being sarcastic :]
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Originally Posted by andreas_g4
You should wait at least two more generations, because rumor has it that Apple will even furter improve the MBP line.
Really?! I find that extremely hard to believe, actually.
(BTW: 1.67 PowerBook user here, and waiting for Merom as well )
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Originally Posted by workerbee
Originally Posted by andreas_g4
You should wait at least two more generations, because rumor has it that Apple will even furter improve the MBP line.
Really?! I find that extremely hard to believe, actually.
(BTW: 1.67 PowerBook user here, and waiting for Merom as well )
Given that you are a G4 owner, I'm not convinced that's sarcasm.
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Originally Posted by mduell
Given that you are a G4 owner, I'm not convinced that's sarcasm.
HEY! No snide remarks!
(Actually, the reason I didn't buy the MBP is the missing FW800 port. I love my FW800 disks. And Intels next gen CPUs look really nice. I wonder if the Apple Store being down doesn't mean that Apple is introducing Woodcrest XServes today...
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umm...it comes down to how badly you want the machine! personally I want a MBP very badly! and i've been waiting ever since the MBPs have been released, so the earlier i get one the better. Sure waiting for the meron might be a bit of an advantage, but then again, something else will come out after the meron, or they will boost the speeds of it. Lets be realistic, we have moved into intel land, these guys will bring out new chips with better speeds quite regularly.
So for me, will i wait? No! i've ordered my MBP! (only ordered it today)
Although, if you really want one now, why not check out the refurbished models? Personally i'm too superficial about little scratches or dents to ever buy a refurbished model. Mind you, maybe buying the previous 1.8 Ghz model at a lower price might sweeten the deal for you!
It's up to you, at the end of the day i think it comes down to how much you really need that machine right now, or how long you have been waiting for, and whether or not you have been waiting that long, that waiting another day just seems pointless! (like myself)
Happy shopping my friend! =)
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Personally, I'm considering waiting for Merom for possible fixes for the whining and heat, and perhaps even the variable speed GPU that the 17" MBP utilizes (although it might just be software..?).
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Of course, another reason for waiting and putting up with what mduell seems to consider to be astone age (or worse) CPU, is that my Macromedia Studio 8 and Adobe CS 2 would not run faster on any new MBP as far as I know. VPC vs. Parallels, of course, is quite a different thing, though.
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Originally Posted by workerbee
Of course, another reason for waiting and putting up with what mduell seems to consider to be astone age (or worse) CPU, is that my Macromedia Studio 8 and Adobe CS 2 would not run faster on any new MBP as far as I know. VPC vs. Parallels, of course, is quite a different thing, though.
They would quite a bit faster if you booted that shiny new MBP into Windows.
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i'd wait. intel jsut released the 2.33ghz core duo chip and i'm expecting an update within the next few days.
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Owner of an RevA TiBook here waiting for the next 15" MBP! Should be quite a performance leap for me! 500 MHz G4 to what-are-we-on-now?
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Thats going to be a nice upgrade! I went from a G4 450 to a PM Dual 2GHz, that was a crazy upgrade.
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well I'm sporting a Ti 1gig... considering the macbook now while I can spring for it but.. after buy ing a Ti 450 (DOG) I'm a little leery about the first gen of any model...
I also need to run Photoshop exclusively... and The Mac Genius's told me I wouldn't feel a speed bump from my Ti to a Intel Mac until Adobe pulls their head out of their arse and gives a universal build (not an exact quote).. but I found that not to be true experimenting with a friends (big spped bump regardless).
so I may wait for that intel processor speed bump then do it
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i need cs3 to be native (hence the wait) which is why im sticking to my ppc 1.67 for now. i hate paying for the upgrades... adobe will be the death of me.
besides, merom will be a big boost for the next line of mbps, hopefully fw 800 will be included (is there not one now because its being used internally for the isight?) which i need for my external hd, dual layer superdrive (blueray perhaps?), and supposedly support (still only mere rumours) for up to 4gb ram. which would own.
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yeah what you said is pretty awesoem but I hait to get int he perpetual waiting for the better thing trap... been there
so I think I'm waiting till the next upgrade and then I dive in.
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Never buy a new mac the month before one of the major Apple Expos! You're just asking to be out of date before you restart your computer for the first time. Wait for the next revision announcment, and then either buy the brand-spankin' new one, or get the model that just got replaced on clearance.
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yeah I know.. but I need one by August 10th or so.. and Photoshop dosen't even take advantage of the better video card.
I'm going to get a Mac Book 13" and live with it for a year until the new stuff comes out
it's way faster than my Titanium anyway (tried one yesterday with Photoshop CS 2)
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i do hope they move away from frikin ALUMINUM for their new enclosures. i much prefer the tough as nails plastic of the macbook/ibook.
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I need a Memron by September 16th
Hey Apple, , hook me up
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Hey Apple, , hook me up
If you are returning/attending school and you can make the wait I would look into a rental option. Everyone is always concerned about Apple releasing a new powerbook right around the start of college. Basically if that update in performance is that much to you, look into geting a rental for a month or two. If not then just buy what is out at the time.
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a small whine is hardly a reason for me to not buy a computer thats way faster than any powerbook before it. i just got a mbp a few days ago and am very happy with it.
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Yes but that is the last day that the Ipod special will be on. Either way, I will be more than happy with whatever is out at that time. Maybe even buy the clearence model if it is available. Personally, I don't take the analyst reports very seriously and would expect apple to make their products good value considering the health of their stock.
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to buy or not to buy...? here comes the question again. and my answer still the same: WAIT. it is around the corner... just wait.
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I'm waiting...and hoping August provides a nicely upgraded MBP.
Come on Steve, don't make us wait till Jan 07.
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I want there to be a new case, as how else is the average person in Starbucks meant to know I have a new powerbook, if it looks the same as my old one?
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I'm no apple expert, although i get the feeling that at WWDC we will be seeing a Mac Pro and maybe a new keyboard and hopefully some sort of redesigned Mighty Mouse. If i was a betting man (which im usually not) I wouldn't be putting my money on a new MBP coming out. Maybe a speed increase will come out a few months later down the track, something like september. I just can't see apple releasing a redesigned Powermac - Mac Pro, and a newly designed MBP. The publicity of both machines would take away from each other!
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WAIT!
When the MBP's came out I sold my who setup and bought a used Powerbook off ebay to do me over, now I'm excited!
MEROOOOOOOOOOM!!
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Originally Posted by praterkeith
WAIT!
When the MBP's came out I sold my who setup and bought a used Powerbook off ebay to do me over, now I'm excited!
MEROOOOOOOOOOM!!
How much money did you lose when you sold your whole set up?
Also i guess it depends on whether you need a MBP right now, or if you just want one.
You'll soon figure out how what the best option for you is!
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Of course Merom is a must, it will set a new baseline. Integer is much faster, it has a bigger cache, and it is lower power and theerfore lower heat. Of course, to distinguish the new MBPro in other ways, we will have to see a 160G drive as part of the build-to-order. For me it can't come a moment too soon, as my 60G drive is within a hundred MB of full. On Wondiws this wouldn't haev worked at all, but OS/X lets me do it. Thanks for that, but can I hold out two more months? Yes I can, and the wait will be well worth it. This from a man who just popped a 1440x900 flat panel onto a Cube and revivified it to the Nth degree.
You will have to struggle alorg for a couple of months before CS3 makes it native, but you will wait for the Merom MBPro, because as a Mac user YOU ARE A VALUE BUYER. And Adobe will make it worth your while. Just my opnion of course, but it's pretty much always been true before.
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Does anyone think that the new Merom PB will be lower in price then the current lineup. What frustrates me is the large difference in price between the 128MB and 256MB VRAM 15" PB. Originally, I wanted a PB, then I thought about the lower price MB. When I saw the new MB, I was so dissapointed, I hated the small widescreen display. Well, I hope we will be justified soon.
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Originally Posted by RzinDubs
Does anyone think that the new Merom PB will be lower in price then the current lineup. What frustrates me is the large difference in price between the 128MB and 256MB VRAM 15" PB. Originally, I wanted a PB, then I thought about the lower price MB. When I saw the new MB, I was so dissapointed, I hated the small widescreen display. Well, I hope we will be justified soon.
when do u think the new ones will come out because i need one b4 Sept 10th when school starts again... i really want a mac because I am tired of MS, I was thinking of getting a Sony with linux because i heard that os is really good. The new macs just seem to have so many problems like over heating, my friend works at best buy and said alot have been returned because it just gets way to hot.
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Originally Posted by Jason
How much money did you lose when you sold your whole set up?
Also i guess it depends on whether you need a MBP right now, or if you just want one.
You'll soon figure out how what the best option for you is!
Actually, I evened out. I didn't want the Mini and display with all of the accessories sitting around all summer while I traveled, So I decided to get something that will get more use until the revisions!
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Originally Posted by RzinDubs
Does anyone think that the new Merom PB will be lower in price then the current lineup. What frustrates me is the large difference in price between the 128MB and 256MB VRAM 15" PB. Originally, I wanted a PB, then I thought about the lower price MB. When I saw the new MB, I was so dissapointed, I hated the small widescreen display. Well, I hope we will be justified soon.
Sorry, but you get what you pay for. Release of Merom based 'books will broaden the laptop line and the price of existing 'books will fall a bit. We may even see single core iBooks at the lowest end. But we will not see the higher end at a low price.
You state that you want a "256MB VRAM 15" PB." PBs are G4s, and if that is what you want then your chances are good when the Merom-based laptops come out. I expect that there are quite a few graphics pros like me who will trading up from their 1.67 GHz 15" G4 PBs as soon as the high end Merom MBPS become available.
If what you really want is a higher powered MBP then expect to have to pay at the higher end.
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the VRAM debate is interesting but if your a graphics user does it really matter? From my understanding Photoshop doesn't even use the video cards at all... so the MacBook and MBP are pretty comparable in power if not in price for a graphics user such as myself (acknowledged video games are another mater but I could care less)
Seems in my case where I just need a photoshop platform (that's faster than my 1gig G4 even through roseta) and $1500 MB is an awesome deal till the new chipsets come out.
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photoshop can run just as well with only 32mb, worry bout gpu when you start worrying about WoW.
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Sierra Dragom,
Sorry I meant MacBookPro, not PB.
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Originally Posted by SierraDragon
PBs are G4s (...)
... and iBooks have always been and will always be single-core
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Originally Posted by workerbee
... and iBooks have always been and will always be single-core
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BOT I'd wait. Rumor is that they are getting a new case/facelift soon.
But you know how rumors are.
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Well I hope we atleast hear some good new by august. it would be nice to see the meroms in august but I have my doubts(I hope my doubts are wrong)
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if it means anything to you, If I didnt have to buy a mbp now due to my colleges request, I'd wait for the merom
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OK. I want to jump in the fray here. I've been threatening to get a MBP for weeks now. I am waiting for my state's tax free holiday- which unfortunately is over one day prior to WWDC.
But, if WWDC brings a Merom announcement- I'll probably forego the tax savings. What do all my fellow rumor mongers think about today's announced speculation about Merom coming in August?
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I'd expect Merom in a rev B MBP by then end of September. Possibly earlier, but not in time for WWDC.
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C'mon Simon, give me some hope! Anyone out there willing to foster some false hope for me?
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