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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
If that were true, they would be openly moving against him.
They have been. #NeverTrump - plug that in over on Twitter.
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
They have been. #NeverTrump - plug that in over on Twitter.
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Apr 22, 2016, 03:33 PM
 
After NY Sam Wang raises Trumps chances of getting a pledged majority to 75%.
     
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Apr 25, 2016, 12:28 AM
 
Cruz and Kasich announced they are engaging in a cease-fire to focus on denying Trump. I don't see how this doesn't feed into everything Trump voters and anti-establishment folk hate about politics. Won't be surprised if this only helps him.
     
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Apr 25, 2016, 11:47 AM
 
Question I keep forgetting to ask: How is Kasich still in this? Not from a why he hasn't dropped out already angle, but from a how can he afford to still campaign angle. He was almost dead at New Hampshire but he's still going. My best guess is he has some angel donor who hates Trump and Cruz who is funding a barebones campaign, but that's just a wild guess.
     
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Apr 25, 2016, 11:57 AM
 
I think this needs to be rephrased in such a way as to highlight certain truths of the situation.

How is the one, non-batshit Republican candidate still even in the race?
     
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Since we are one short on the SCOTUS the Democrats are now screaming Gun Bans/Gun "Control" . Its a shame they have NO CLUE as to what to do.. NONE of the gun free zones or other idiotic nonsense ever worked, but they got that 'feel good moment'.
     
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Apr 25, 2016, 12:26 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
I think this needs to be rephrased in such a way as to highlight certain truths of the situation.

How is the one, non-batshit Republican candidate still even in the race?
Non-batshit is real borderline though.
     
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Apr 25, 2016, 12:34 PM
 
Well, if the border is at Kasich's feet, Trump and Cruz are well over the horizon.
     
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Apr 25, 2016, 12:40 PM
 
No doubt.
     
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I miss Mitt Romney

     
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Apr 26, 2016, 09:30 AM
 
Ok, latest Twitter Wang said 90% chance Trump hits 1237, and he'll probably sweep today. Bold predictions.
     
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Apr 26, 2016, 10:40 AM
 
Now we get to find out what Cruz and Kasich will do.
Will they actually go out and stump for Trump?
Could you believe them?
Will they both become big babies?
     
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Apr 26, 2016, 08:12 PM
 
In other punditry news, tonight looks to be favorable to both Trump and Hillary, but the real interest is in Indiana next week. Site of possible 'collusion' after tonight it may serve as a bellwether for the #nevertrump movement. Not particularly favorable to Trump, a loss there would pretty much decimate the anti-trumpers.
     
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Apr 26, 2016, 09:18 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
I miss Mitt Romney

For what?
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Relative moderation.
     
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Relative moderation.
But relative to what standard? Relative to Trump and Cruz you could say that about a whole swath of past Republican candidates, so that's not really something which singles out Romney. The goalpost has been moved so that even Republican whose ideas match those of Reagan would no longer be electable. (I don't think Romney was a good candidate, he was a punt because people who were serious about the presidency wanted to wait until after Obama's tenure was over.)
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Apr 26, 2016, 09:48 PM
 
Which Republicans do you want to run?
     
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Apr 26, 2016, 10:06 PM
 
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Which Republicans do you want to run?
Of course the ones that most closely resemble my own beliefs and are willing to work with people on the other side of the aisle. Since I'm not American, though, I don't fit well into the US system.

But what I don't share is the sentiment that I long for someone from the past because he is better than Trump and Cruz are. It just doesn't occur to me.
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Apr 27, 2016, 03:58 AM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
In other punditry news, tonight looks to be favorable to both Trump and Hillary, but the real interest is in Indiana next week. Site of possible 'collusion' after tonight it may serve as a bellwether for the #nevertrump movement. Not particularly favorable to Trump, a loss there would pretty much decimate the anti-trumpers.
What happened tonight was that Hillary effectively won, and Bernie conceded that but promised to keep fighting anyway. It is almost mathematically impossible for Bernie to pick up 50% of the delegates now - all that remains is to see if Hillary picks up enough delegates in the rest of the race to win without a single super-delegate.

On the GOP side, Trump did better than expected, but it all hangs on two states now: Indiana next week, and California last of all.
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Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
Of course the ones that most closely resemble my own beliefs and are willing to work with people on the other side of the aisle. Since I'm not American, though, I don't fit well into the US system.

But what I don't share is the sentiment that I long for someone from the past because he is better than Trump and Cruz are. It just doesn't occur to me.
Name the Republican on the national stage who most closely resembles your own beliefs and are willing to work with people on the other side of the aisle.

For me, not counting Rand Paul, the answers are McCain and Romney.
     
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Apr 27, 2016, 09:51 AM
 
Yeah, McCain for sure. It's his warmongering I find so troubling.
     
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Apr 27, 2016, 09:54 AM
 
The northeast really does not care for Ted Cruz. I imagine the feeling is mutual.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Yeah, McCain for sure. It's his warmongering I find so troubling.
I'd trust the former POW to ultimately take a measured approach.
     
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Apr 27, 2016, 10:19 AM
 
He lost me when he chanted about bombing Iran during his run in 08. It seemed far too flippant.
     
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Apr 27, 2016, 10:37 AM
 
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He lost me when he chanted about bombing Iran during his run in 08. It seemed far too flippant.
Break that down.

Was this him merely saying something inappropriate, or did the inappropriateness imply something darker?
     
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Apr 27, 2016, 10:40 AM
 
He was singing about bombing a nation. Look up the video.
     
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The question was formulated after having rewatched it.
     
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...isn't casually singing about bombing real people off-putting? I know I'm a bleeding heart but I don't think I'm too far off base on this one.
     
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Apr 27, 2016, 11:05 AM
 
Kasich still has less delegates than Rubio.

And Trump calling for Bernie to run third party is some more god tier trolling.
     
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...isn't casually singing about bombing real people off-putting? I know I'm a bleeding heart but I don't think I'm too far off base on this one.
You may be interpreting a desire for clarification as a challenge.

There are enough ways one could be put-off by this, I'm trying to figure out which of yours he tripped.

Was the problem he was being really tacky? His flippancy here indicates he'd be flip about starting a war? Both?
     
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Apr 27, 2016, 11:16 AM
 
His answering a foreign policy question about war with a song devalues the gravity of war.

Second, the context was after 8 years of failed Bush administration foreign policy. War was the worst solution to our problems at the time. Staring a war with another Mideast country was adding fuel to a fire America was sick off.
     
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His answering a foreign policy question about war with a song devalues the gravity of war.

Second, the context was after 8 years of failed Bush administration foreign policy. War was the worst solution to our problems at the time. Staring a war with another Mideast country was adding fuel to a fire America was sick off.
Okay... thank you for the clarification. Now I present the challenge.

I'll certainly grant you it's not the best example of statesmanship, but I think there is little you can take from it as evidence he's genuinely flip about war.

It's very common for military/ex-military people to be flip about these sorts of things. Dark humor serves both as a coping mechanism, and a "thumbing of the nose" to polite society. I'm sure he's much to hawkish for your tastes, but I don't think there's much out there which shows he's truly casual about that.

As for the public's taste for war, I would hope McCain (or anyone else) would put necessity first.
     
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Apr 27, 2016, 01:25 PM
 
It's still context. He didn't do this at some random pressed as a senator. He did this at a rally as one of the nominees for POTUS. It's a real lack of judgement on multiple levels.

Him being exmitary is irrelevant in the grand scheme.
     
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Okay... thank you for the clarification. Now I present the challenge.

I'll certainly grant you it's not the best example of statesmanship, but I think there is little you can take from it as evidence he's genuinely flip about war.

It's very common for military/ex-military people to be flip about these sorts of things. Dark humor serves both as a coping mechanism, and a "thumbing of the nose" to polite society. I'm sure he's much to hawkish for your tastes, but I don't think there's much out there which shows he's truly casual about that.

As for the public's taste for war, I would hope McCain (or anyone else) would put necessity first.
What was the last necessary war we fought in?
     
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Poor Christie. "WTF is this fool saying? How did I get here?"
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Kasich still has less delegates than Rubio.

And Trump calling for Bernie to run third party is some more god tier trolling.
It's Trump finally realizing that he can't win the general without some hardcore intervention.
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Poor Christie. "WTF is this fool saying? How did I get here?"
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It's Trump finally realizing that he can't win the general without some hardcore intervention.
In this case, my philosophy on the subject could be best summed up as, when it comes to Trump, "Never attribute to strategy that which is adequately explained by trolling."
     
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Hello darkness my old friend...
Supposedly his wife got in on the action last night with an eye roll at Trump's misogynistic bluster.
     
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It's all over except for the screaming and shouting ...

Sanders to Lay Off Staff After Tuesday Primary Losses - NBC News

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What was the last necessary war we fought in?
Hmm... Afghanistan?
     
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Hmm... Afghanistan?
Yeah, that came to mind too, but I find it may be a semantic problem. Were we at war with Afghanistan or al-queda therein?

But, if you'll humor me, what was the last one before that?
     
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Kosovo ('99), and before that was Bosnia in `94.
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Read and saw a bit on the news regarding the California protests and riots against Trump speaking, and the one thing I noticed, which wasn't mentioned.... is there wasn't a single American flag in sight.

     
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Kosovo ('99), and before that was Bosnia in `94.
Sounds right.
     
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Read and saw a bit on the news regarding the California protests and riots against Trump speaking, and the one thing I noticed, which wasn't mentioned.... is there wasn't a single American flag in sight.
They're cultural Marxists, the US flag isn't something they have much affection for.
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I'm glad there's no racism going on at the anti-Trump rallies in California...



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^^^

A white dude holding up a "Kill Whitey" sign. Well that's not "suspect" at all huh?

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