[Big Mac]

http://www.businessandmedia.org/arti...830000004.aspx

“I was just thinking, this Gustav is proof that there is a God in heaven,” Moore said, laughing. “To have it planned at the same time – that it would actually be on its way to New Orleans for day one of the Republican Convention, up in the Twin Cities – at the top of the Mississippi River.”

Now I know this was said by Moore in jest, but I find it humorous he would even make such a comment. When the election is over and John McCain is president-elect, Moore will look back with regret for having gained nothing on behalf of his agenda and for actually diminishing his position by informally recognizing God.

[zombie punk]

Are you smoking crack?

[Big Mac]

No, I don't go for that commie-crap.

[Chongo]

Former DNC Chairman Don Fowler agrees with Michael Moore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrBus8ORR78

[zombie punk]

Then WTF are you talking about - please try to post an intelligible summary.

[Dork.]

Michael Moore is a pompous asshat. The only "position" he has is among people who agree with him already. If he is expecting to change any minds with his work, he is sadly mistaken.

Still, though, I wonder if God is just trying to send a message to these folks?

[Paco500]

Originally Posted by Dork. 

Michael Moore is a pompous asshat. The only "position" he has is among people who agree with him already. If he is expecting to change any minds with his work, he is sadly mistaken.

I think you are mistaken. I'm definitely left of center, but think Michael Moore is pretty reprehensible. It bothers me that so many people take him seriously and some are actually swayed by his nonsense. He is as bad as Limbaugh and O'Reilly.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Dork. 

Still, though, I wonder if God is just trying to send a message to these folks?

Isn't it gay week in NOLA?

[Dork.]

Originally Posted by Paco500 

I think you are mistaken. I'm definitely left of center, but think Michael Moore is pretty reprehensible. It bothers me that so many people take him seriously and some are actually swayed by his nonsense. He is as bad as Limbaugh and O'Reilly.

I didn't say that everyone left of center agreed with him, did I?

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by zombie punk 

Then WTF are you talking about - please try to post an intelligible summary.

Here you go, fella:

http://comprehension.pride-learning.com/

[stevesnj]

This guy called for 'biblical rains' at the DNC for Baraks speech

http://www.zimbio.com/2008+President...n+Barack+Obama

[Ghoser777]

Idiot.

[PB2K]

So the whole of New Orleans is being evacuated? Pff i can't imagine any realistic circumstance in which 240.000 people would need to be evacuated in my country. This is really nasty.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by PB2K 

So the whole of New Orleans is being evacuated? Pff i can't imagine any realistic circumstance in which 240.000 people would need to be evacuated in my country. This is really nasty.

You don't get hurricanes either.

-t

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by stevesnj 

This guy called for 'biblical rains' at the DNC for Baraks speech

http://www.zimbio.com/2008+President...n+Barack+Obama

Biblican rains at the DNC... He realizes that Denver is 5000 ft up and so all that rain would just serve to flood other places, right?

[Paco500]

Originally Posted by Dork. 

I didn't say that everyone left of center agreed with him, did I?

I was referring to your statement that he doesn't sway anyone that doesn't already agree with him. Lots of lefties think he's a nut, but he has managed to convince far too many moderates and even conservatives as well. People are drawn to conspiracy theories. Especially when they are well presented- which he does. If I can completely disassociate myself from reality, I enjoy his work. He's talented, and it's a shame he uses that talent in the way he does.

[smacintush]

I think it'll be interesting to see a hurricane hit N.O.. It'll show the contrast between how Blanco (D) and Jindal (R) handle things.

[zombie punk]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

Here you go, fella:

http://comprehension.pride-learning.com/

You think that responding with insults covers up the fact that you are utterly clueless? If you have nothing to say, don't make posts about it.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

Now I know this was said by Moore in jest, but I find it humorous he would even make such a comment. When the election is over and John McCain is president-elect, Moore will look back with regret for having gained nothing on behalf of his agenda and for actually diminishing his position by informally recognizing God.

You say you know it was said in jest, but the rest of your post seems to imply that you don't actually realize this. It's a joke. He didn't informally recognize anything. Do you think when people say, "Yeah, and I'm Mary Queen of Scots," they're going to later feel bad about having informally impersonated royalty?

[Rumor]

Originally Posted by Dork. 

Michael Moore is a pompous asshat. The only "position" he has is among people who agree with him already. If he is expecting to change any minds with his work, he is sadly mistaken.

Still, though, I wonder if God is just trying to send a message to these folks?

Bowling for Columbine was interesting and thought provoking. The rest of his work was meh at best.

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by Rumor 

Bowling for Columbine was interesting and thought provoking. The rest of his work was meh at best.

You are aware that Bowling for Columbine was a farce, right?

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

He didn't informally recognize anything.

The fact that it was a "joke" notwithstanding, I believe some statements made in the public forum stand on their own.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by smacintush 

I think it'll be interesting to see a hurricane hit N.O.. It'll show the contrast between how Blanco (D) and Jindal (R) handle things.

Meanwhile, once again Bush gets on the television and warns that there's a big storm coming and reports of people claiming they'll "tough it out".

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by zombie punk 

You think that responding with insults covers up the fact that you are utterly clueless? If you have nothing to say, don't make posts about it.

Given the incredible devastation incurred by those in New Orleans due to the last storm of this magnitude, it was an extremely irresponsible thing to say and illustrates perhaps better than even your post, how free speech and dissenting opinion is regarded in this country.

Big Moore fan or something? egadz.

[hyteckit]

Moore is making fun of religious nuts who think Katrina was God's punishment.
Moore is making fun of religious nuts who were praying for rain during the DNC convention.

Yeah, I guess there is a God, except God seems to be on the DNC side.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Moore is making fun of religious nuts who think Katrina was God's punishment.
Moore is making fun of religious nuts who were praying for rain during the DNC convention.

Can you show me the context that shows this is what he's doing? That said, the call for rain during the convention was ridiculous, a mockery of their faith, and a mockery of prayer.

Yeah, I guess there is a God, except God seems to be on the DNC side.

If He was on the DNC side, he would've ensured the entire convention wasn't completely silenced by the opposition's VP pick the next day.

[wallinbl]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

If He was on the DNC side, he would've ensured the entire convention wasn't completely silenced by the opposition's VP pick the next day.

I'm pretty sure He said to care for the poor, not to act like a bigot, so seems more like DNC and not GOP.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

Can you show me the context that shows this is what he's doing? That said, the call for rain during the convention was ridiculous, a mockery of their faith, and a mockery of prayer.

You mean Michael Moore believes in God?

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

If He was on the DNC side, he would've ensured the entire convention wasn't completely silenced by the opposition's VP pick the next day.

Haha... you mean all the talk about how hot the VP is, with descriptions such as VPILF, GILF, the hottest governor, and the sexy librarian.

Or how inexperience she is with 20 months experience as Gov of Alaska.

Or maybe the current investigation into her unethical firing of a police chief.

Or how her youngest child is really her daughter's.

Or how she doesn't even know what a VP does.

Or how she has international experience because Alaska is close to Russia and Canada.

Or what the hell was McCain thinking, leaving such a lady to be President if something were to happen to McCain due to his old age.

Yeah, tabloid stuff is great.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Moore is making fun of religious nuts who think Katrina was God's punishment.
Moore is making fun of religious nuts who were praying for rain during the DNC convention.

Yeah, I guess there is a God, except God seems to be on the DNC side.

Was he? I thought he was just making fun of the Republicans with the well-worn "There IS a God!" joke.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Was he? I thought he was just making fun of the Republicans with the well-worn "There IS a God!" joke.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...od&btnG=Search

I just did a quick Google search. Brings up Michael Moore's page.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/me...dex.php?id=229

Dear God,

The other night, James Dobson's organization asked all believers to pray for a storm on Thursday night so that the Obama acceptance speech outdoors in Denver would have to be canceled.

I see that You have answered Dr. Dobson's prayers -- except the storm You have sent to earth is not over Denver, but on its way to New Orleans! In fact, You have scheduled it to hit Louisiana at exactly the moment that George W. Bush is to deliver his speech at the Republican National Convention.
...
You, I know You're angry that the Republicans tried to blame YOU for Katrina by calling it an "Act of God" -- when the truth was that the hurricane itself caused few casualties in New Orleans. Over a thousand people died because of the mistakes and neglect caused by humans, not You.

[PB2K]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

You don't get hurricanes either.

-t

and you didn't get the point

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by PB2K 

and you didn't get the point

Apparently not. Did you have one ? Lost in translation ?

-t

[PB2K]

Go ahead and find it, I am just here to keep you distracted from doing something important, Turt

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by wallinbl 

I'm pretty sure He said to care for the poor, not to act like a bigot, so seems more like DNC and not GOP.

He never once implied that the government should do it, but that YOU should do it. There's a huge difference. For one, the government is no more interested in helping you out of poverty than a television manufacturer in creating the television that lasts forever. Their policies exacerbate poverty. Every number you cite to show me how Bush has created a larger dichotomy of rich and poor will illustrate exactly how the increase in money spent on the problem does not solve it, but only ensures a new generation of needy.

There are ten people standing in a line. The tenth one is in need of water. You pour a cup of water into the first person's hand and they pour their cupped hands into the third person's hands and so forth. Some people were clumsy and spilled it. Others were selfish and drank from it. By the time you get to the tenth in need, there is hardly anything left. If you can cite for me where Jesus claimed we should support a gigantic bureaucracy of politicians interested in maintaining power by giving first to them, to give to the poor, I'll buy it. It is not said to render unto Caesar that which is necessary to feed the hungry.

This is why Christians and Conservatives donate more to the poor.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by Dork. 

Michael Moore is a pompous asshat.

This should have ended the thread right there. But you guys seem to be still debating just how much of an asshat Moore is. As if that really matters. Michael Moore is simply the most outspoken, attention-seeking, and self-aggrandizing of those who inhabit the left of the political spectrum. His counterpart on the right of the political spectrum is Rush Limbaugh, who is also an outspoken, attention-seeking, and self-aggrandizing pompous asshat. They're like two peas in a pod.

But you guys go right ahead and keep debating who is more of an asshat, that is an excellent topic for debate.

[wallinbl]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

He never once implied that the government should do it, but that YOU should do it.

It's a joke, relax.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by wallinbl 

It's a joke, relax.

My posts are as much for the benefit of the entire forum as it is the person to whom I'm responding. There are many who believe that Jesus was a socialist. I just wanted to make sure no new seeds were planted among the naive here.

BTW, this is me relaxed.

[Kerrigan]

I feel like Moore and Coulter are the only honest people in politics.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Haha... you mean all the talk about how hot the VP is, with descriptions such as VPILF, GILF, the hottest governor, and the sexy librarian.

Or how inexperience she is with 20 months experience as Gov of Alaska.

I'd be happy to compare her experience with the #1 candidate on the Democratic ticket. She has more energy experience, executive experience, and her short-lived time as governor was effectively managing the position, not running for another.

Yes. Let's talk about the experiences of the candidates, the Republican's #2 VS the Democrat's #1.

Or maybe the current investigation into her unethical firing of a police chief.

That's funny. I'm guessing if this person were a terrorist you'd be calling for a fair investigation and trial. Since when does "investigation" appear in the same sentence as "unethical"? Isn't that what an investigation is supposed to establish? Put an (R) after their name and it's straight to the gallows with them? Guilty until proven innocent!

Or how her youngest child is really her daughter's.

Link please.

Or how she doesn't even know what a VP does.

She knows what a VP does. You can bet the vetting process on this one was intense.

Or how she has international experience because Alaska is close to Russia and Canada.

As opposed to Obama's because he's nearby a large lake? She negotiated terms with Canada on a mult-million dollar pipeline that will help end our dependence on foreign oil. Has Obama inflated his tires yet?

Or what the hell was McCain thinking, leaving such a lady to be President if something were to happen to McCain due to his old age.

Interesting you should use the word "lady". Why not "such inexperience" or "such a person" from the party of tolerance and affirmative action?

While it might be wishful thinking that McCain keels over shortly before the election, I'm more than confident she's at least as qualified as Obama to lead this country and exponentially more sensible as a politician and ideologue.

Yeah, tabloid stuff is great.

You seem to be enjoying the worst of them.

[wallinbl]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

My posts are as much for the benefit of the entire forum as it is the person to whom I'm responding. There are many who believe that Jesus was a socialist. I just wanted to make sure no new seeds were planted among the naive here.

BTW, this is me relaxed.

He certainly wasn't a Republican, what with their incessant need to tell people what they're doing wrong. Speaking of planting seeds among the naive, the Dems are not socialists. In fact, quite a number of them want to reduce handouts. They actually have useful ideas for helping the poor.

And before you get too carried away responding, I am in large part a conservative (I tend not to say Republican anymore because they have turned into dicks).

[wallinbl]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

For one, the government is no more interested in helping you out of poverty than a television manufacturer in creating the television that lasts forever. Their policies exacerbate poverty.

Yeesh. Sure, they want you out of poverty. When you're out, you pay them more taxes and they have more money to spend on their pet projects. When unemployment is too high and income is too low, they run the risk of getting voted out of office. Run the Misery Index up too high, and you'll find yourself and your party out of power.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by wallinbl 

He certainly wasn't a Republican, what with their incessant need to tell people what they're doing wrong.

Is this a joke too? Just want to make sure that by responding I'm not inducing more back-peddling.

Speaking of planting seeds among the naive, the Dems are not socialists.

I never said all Democrats were. I said there are many people who suggest Jesus was. I assumed this was a given considering your statement of; "caring for the poor". There's a noteworthy difference between the classic Democrat view of caring for the poor and the classic Republican view of caring for the poor. I share your distaste for the inability of Republicans to hold to their traditional values.

In fact, quite a number of them want to reduce handouts. They actually have useful ideas for helping the poor.

Then you realize that at times it's important to tell people what they're doing wrong. I voted for the last Democrat here who had some good ideas for helping the poor.

And before you get too carried away responding, I am in large part a conservative (I tend not to say Republican anymore because they have turned into dicks).

To be honest, it wouldn't matter to me if you were my pastor.

[zombie punk]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

I share your distaste for the inability of Republicans to hold to their traditional values.

You mean increasing spending, eroding civil liberties, invading other countries, handing out corporate welfare and interfering in the private lives of citizens? They're doing pretty well at that.

[Dork.]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Or how her youngest child is really her daughter's.

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

Link please.

To give this story the seriousness it deserves, I'll link to Wonkette's take on it.

They've figured it out: Sarah Palin is not the baby's mother.... John Edwards is!

[Dr. Bonedust Miller]

God, Dubya and I had a threeway transmission last night. We even held invisible hands and prayed for God to have pity on all those black folk. He said it was a crap-shoot.

[nonhuman]

For the record nobody knows what a Vice President does.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

My posts are as much for the benefit of the entire forum as it is the person to whom I'm responding. There are many who believe that Jesus was a socialist. I just wanted to make sure no new seeds were planted among the naive here.

I don't know. I'm pretty sure that Christ would advocate using your wealth to help those less fortunate than yourself. I'd say, in his time, he would have been be a social conservative and an economic socialist.

[lpkmckenna]

If there is a God in heaven, Limbaugh and Moore will spend eternity crammed in a room big enough for two skinny people.

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

I don't know. I'm pretty sure that Christ would advocate using your wealth to help those less fortunate than yourself. I'd say, in his time, he would have been be a social conservative and an economic socialist.

I doubt it. Think about it: Jesus had immense distrust of both the Roman and Jewish establishments, and would never have suggested that either ought to have complete control of the economy. Jesus was more about personal change than direct political action. He resented the political elites but advocated an apolitical reaction.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

I don't know. I'm pretty sure that Christ would advocate using your wealth to help those less fortunate than yourself. I'd say, in his time, he would have been be a social conservative and an economic socialist.

I disagree. Again, he'd certainly advocate that YOU give more, but there is nothing about rendering unto Caesar to care for the poor. There's a difference between caring for the poor and paying someone else to care for the poor.

[tie]

It is certainly fantastic news for the GOP that Bush/Cheney won't be speaking at the convention.